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|OT| French Presidential election - 2012 edition

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ComputerMKII

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Kurtofan said:
Why are social issues so derided?
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It's the only thing that candidates really disagree on but those issues are very minor (elections are never won on social issues and candidates barely even mention them in their campaigns). In the end, whether it's UMP or PS, you're still voting for the same policy.
 
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Honestly I don't see what big social issues are relevant right now in France, compared to other problems we're having...
 
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Keikoku said:
Hurr durr let's by-pass the law so funny and clever! #fuckinghipsters
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First, this "Law" is completely outdated, inadapted to the modern media.

Second, I asked just to read some puns like "Carla changed her Facebook statue to "it's complicated" ..." if I want some early estimations, I can pay a visit to our neighbours.

Third: Hipsters are cute, count me in!
 
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el retorno

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empty vessel said:
No, it is basic Keynes, which was understood when all governments (including the US) operated under fiscal constraints. The difference now is that France has to genuinely finance its deficit spending by borrowing money whereas the US does not (because it can create its own money). But macroeconomics always calls on the government to spend money during a recession to increase aggregate demand regardless of the monetary system. This is why austerity does not work (and usually only makes the deficit worse). As a government taxes more or spends less during a recession (i.e., imposes austerity), aggregate demand drops still further and the economy gets even worse. The worsening economy in turn causes tax receipts to drop even further, worsening the deficit still more. This is exactly what happened in the UK:



http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/may/03/cbi-says-budget-deficit-rise

When a government spends more during a recession, it will initially run high deficits, but the economy will recover. The recovering economy will result in higher tax receipts and bring the budget back in line.
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Ok I agree with what you posted here. Your other posts in the past have said its always good to have debt and the higher the debt the better. I agreee debt shoul never be zero but I don't think crazy high debt is good and harmless. I thought your post was the MMT stuff.

I agree that in recessions deficits don't matter and counterintuitivly cut the deficit faster over the long term.
 
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Ipsos France ‏ @IpsosFrance

@Equinoxradio - Pour rappel, @IpsosFrance ne réalise pas de sondage sortie des urnes (SSU) ipsos.fr/ipsos-public-a…

Ipsos France ‏ @IpsosFrance

Toute rumeur concernant les bureaux de vote tests Ipsos est infondée. Merci de RT.
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Anybody can throw numbesr around the latest official polls and will have big chances of being close to the truth.
I still don't understand why foreign press is so eager to publish polls when they know that it conflicts with the internal mechanics of the elections. Of course they don't have to follow French laws, but is it so hard to wait for a few hours as a sign of respect ? It's simple "savoir-vivre", being allowed to do something doesn't mean that you should.
 
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ComputerMKII

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Alx said:
Anybody can throw numbesr around the latest official polls and will have big chances of being close to the truth.
I still don't understand why foreign press is so eager to publish polls when they know that it conflicts with the internal mechanics of the elections. Of course they don't have to follow French laws, but is it so hard to wait for a few hours as a sign of respect ? It's simple "savoir-vivre", being allowed to do something doesn't mean that you should.
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Freedom of the press and duty to inform.
 
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Computer said:
Freedom of the press and duty to inform.
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Ok for freedom, that's why it's not forbidden. But what "duty" ? That's only feeding curiosity, there is no ethic reason to spread (incomplete) info a few hours before the official ones. The only reason they do it is to generate traffic on their websites.
 
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Kurtofan said:
I'm hoping those good early results won't demobilize people.
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At this point, they might discourage more than demobilize.

People are gathering at the Bastille, otherwise. But at Concorde...

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EDIT : fuck me, the RATP closed Bastille D:
 
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Computer said:
Can't wait to see Copé and Morano's faces at 8 pm.
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Copé's gonna be the one to watch, as he desperately tries to plant the seeds for his 2017 run. It's gonna be like Nick Fury talking about the Avengers Initiative, except with more flailing around.
 
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Kandrick

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Can't wait for the results. Tomorrow at work will be a lot of fun since quite a few of my co-workers are french and they voted for Sarko.

 
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I'M guessing Hollande will be as bad if not worst than Sarkozy. In typical anti-middleclass fashion, the anti-estbalishment left-wing parties get infiltrated and once elected implement conservative policies while their base has its guard down.

People would protest against Sarkozy, but they won't against Hollande for implementing the same policies. All your options will have been exhausted, and you will be left with PS or UMP, otherwise risk giving more power to the FN.

Just like in Australia, New Zealand, etc. It's the socialist/labour parties that end up getting elected, only to end up being even more conservative than the conservatives.

It has become "evil" to take anti-finance sector and anti-wealth-accumulation political actions, when it has been demonstrated MORE THAN EVER that those are the root cause of our societies' problems.

Self-inflicted brainwashing. Austerity is branded as a solution all over the fucking news, and it is clearer than ever now that it is terribly corrosive, yet "let's not get crazy and start believing that government spending is not evil!".

There is no more Democracy, only puppet governments.
 
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