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R.I.P Denuvo - Tekken 7 and Dishonored 2 cracked
- Thread starter Elven_Star
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They're doing it to appease shareholders.
Preorders don't allow early play so their existence is if anything a demonstration of an audience willing to pay for the games rather than a testimony to the efficacy of DRM. This is especially true as crack times decrease.
Demonstrably false, as you can tell for the years and years and years and holy shit the fucking years of publishers continuing to put shitty ass Securom and TAGES despite every single one of them getting cracked day one.
It's nothing more than a placebo for shareholder. Nothing more than that.
Companies are prone to make stupid decisions all the time
osnameless
Member
MGS V, Nier, and God Eater
Three games that I was so happy that they got a PC release, and I am almost positive we would have never seen them on PC if it hadn't been for Denuvo.
I am not entirely sure of this, but I think piracy was a major reason Japanese publishers always overlooked the PC market. Those are prime examples where Denuvo actually contributed positively to the PC market, even though it is bad for buying consumers in every conceivable way.
Again, the mentality on PC gaming is a big part of the problem, and no, Denuvo is not the solution to piracy.
I am not trying at all to start a discussion that I have times and times again read through.
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Japanese publishers started transitioning to PC before Denuvo was even a thing.
Konami published Metal Gear Rising to huge sucess without Denuvo being a thing. You know the reason MGSV actually came to PC? Because Rising sold a shitload. That was the reason, not Denuvo.
Similarly, Namco Bandai started making a crapload of ports before starting to use Denuvo.
And, well, the exact same with Square Enix.
CecilRousso
Member
But, there's still no difference from before Denuvo and now, Denuvo hasn't changed anything to that degree that it's visible for any of us, with the information and data available to us. It's the same.
That Denuvo has managed to gain a foothold with the big publishers, is perhaps good for them, but it hasn't changed anything for us in terms of releases.
If anything, Steam is the reason that they have gotten PC releases. And not by being an effective DRM (it isn't, for anything then day zero piracy), but by creating an attractive marketplace on the PC, for customers and publishers, without the need of retail.
Apply this at the business level: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult_programming
"Better safe than sorry" is a business case too, just a really terrible one.
Metal Gear Rising had a PC release, so it's not weird that Metal Gear V would have one, Bamco was already releasing games on PC (Tales of, One Piece, etc) before God Eater. Nier, granted, I'm not totally sure, but it's a relatively big game from Square Enix, that was already in a transition to release games on PC.
Don't forget about MGSV:GZ which sold a million copies and also released without Denuvo.
Wowfunhappy
Member
Well why are Shareholders so dumb? Aren't these supposed to be business types?
I totally understand using Denuvo when it can actually prevent piracy, but using it now when it gets cracked in two days is a stupid waste of money, never mind customer complaints.
osnameless
Member
Denuvo was added with a later update (and was also cracked)
I totally blanked on Rising though, my bad
We had a dev here say that it's easier for pubs to put DRM in then to explain why their game doesn't have anti piracy measures.
CecilRousso
Member
Sure, there are gains to get from it.
1. The longer it isn't cracked, the bigger the chance that you can get that many extra sales, so that the investment in Denuvo is covered, and then some more. If the implementation of Denuvo cost a certain sum, and you earn a certain sum for your game, there's of course a break even. And based on the numbers we've heard about for Denuvo, it's not an astronomical numbers of copies.
2. If the game isn't cracked, you're not going to pay for support for people who haven't bought your game.
3. You can feel that you have done something, and get the satisfaction of beating, or at least delaying and frustrating, pirates.
4. You can say to people that you have done something (never underestimate that factor in a business enviroment).
But it's still not, as far as we can tell from data available to us, a deciding factor for whether or not it's worth investing in a PC version of your game.
TimFL
Member
2 days is all it needs to get that delicious 24h R*-style sales record.
Hell, I just went through the whole list of Denuvo games.
There isn't a single publisher there that didn't already have their foot in on PC for a while there. There is not a single Japanese publisher debuting their stuff on PC with a Denuvo title.
Seems it did a pretty bad job of bringing companies over to PC tbh.
There isn't a single publisher there that didn't already have their foot in on PC for a while there. There is not a single Japanese publisher debuting their stuff on PC with a Denuvo title.
Seems it did a pretty bad job of bringing companies over to PC tbh.
osnameless
Member
I did the same, and apart from God Eater and Nier, I don't think there are that many games.
Which actually now makes me wonder, what was the appeal to Denuvo when they founded it? with the stigma of SecuROM not being that far behind
ldcommando
Banned
fifa 18 cracked
Deathknell
Member
WB: "We need to protect Shadow of War from filthy pirates!"
Denuvo: "Sure, give us 100.000€ and you'll be safe"
WB: "Deal!"
Shadow of War cracked in 36 hours.
Denuvo: "Sure, give us 100.000€ and you'll be safe"
WB: "Deal!"
Shadow of War cracked in 36 hours.
WB: "We need to protect Shadow of War from filthy pirates!"
Denuvo: "Sure, give us 100.000 and you'll be safe"
WB: "Deal!"
Shadow of War cracked in 36 hours.
16 hours.
WB: "We need to protect Shadow of War from filthy pirates!"
Denuvo: "Sure, give us 100.000 and you'll be safe"
WB: "Deal!"
Shadow of War cracked in 36 hours.
Not only that. Codex is on the Denuvo train now too. 3 active groups cracking it.
ClaptoVaughn
Member
WB: "We need to protect Shadow of War from filthy pirates!"
Denuvo: "Sure, give us 100.000 and you'll be safe"
WB: "Deal!"
Shadow of War cracked in 36 hours.
I wonder how many loot boxes they'll have to sell to cover that cost.
AlfredX1990
Banned
Next move: allow pirated copies to buy lootboxes
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
They would probably increase total revenue by letting pirates participate in the online marketplace.
Battlechili
Banned
Who is Denuvo meant to protect again?
Ploid 3.0
Member
Protect customers, from day -0 spoilers, maybe.
Also I wonder if people will be able to mod loot box items to be buyable at a shop or something. Though I know nothing about this game, having Denuvo on it means it's not likely to have mods anyway. Darn you Denuvo!!!!
Coriolanus
Banned
eh, MGS5 had denuvo and you most certainly could just boot up a trainer to give yourself max funds and speed up the research tree, so yeaaah, there'll probably be a way to get around that.
You use cheat engine to get as much Mirian as you want, but not Gold.
Bullet point in shareholder presentation.
CecilRousso
Member
Good news.
The big publishers will continue to use it, but all this quick cracks will hopefully influence smaller publishers and independent developers from using it.
Owwww shiiiiieeet! That joke's hotter than the fires of Mount Doom.
New rule: Denuvo's theme song has to be "Another one bites the dust".
Alexander DeLarge
Member
Yep, even if it gets cracked within an hour of release they'll keep using it because of the fucking shareholders screaming about how they're not "protecting their investment". Notice how nearly every company that uses Denuvo is publicly traded?
you can do this also by declining ToS
AlfredX1990
Banned
Bethesda removed Denuvo for The Evil Within 2 just before release, I guess this is a first
osnameless
Member
Actually, I think there is a good possibility, as the author of the Evil Within 2 PC Performance Thread pointed out, it might have been unintentional.
Seemingly, Bethesda forgot to include the executable file in the preload download, and was added later. So, maybe they included an affected .exe file by mistake.
But that is just a speculation, even though I find it interesting
Here is the direct quote to JaseC's post
prag16
Banned
Have to wonder if the shareholders have caught on yet to the fact that including Denuvo now is a useless gesture. I'd hope so. We'll likely be seeing it less and less. Good riddance.
(However I'm sure somebody soon will claim they have the NEXT BIG THING in DRM... either that or every game will just be always online...)
They've also cracked the Ubisoft club rewards that were usually unobtainable unless you had a legit save, so pirates don't lose anything now.
Mind you denuvo was made by the same duders that made securom another terrible DRM.
Holy shit I forgot this top tier meme. Very gud.
Mind you denuvo was made by the same duders that made securom another terrible DRM.
its been 8 years since AC2 , but this still applies :-D
Holy shit I forgot this top tier meme. Very gud.
Voluntarily you mean? Nice