MiguelMexMIstery
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Tao Pai Pai over Ultimate Gohan? You're crazy lol Tien too I'd say. Yamcha is considered a joke by a lot of the fanbase but I like the idea of a baseball playstyle like Junpei.
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Dragon Ball FighterZ - Characters, Specials, and Stages Discussion
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I don't think I ever argued that. Its one of my critcisms of SFV actually, I don't think you can play a lot f characters in different ways and I see less variety of play. All karin matches look the damn same. My point was that most of the audience doesn't account or care about that, they just wanna play as ryu or ken, and they don't want to feel overwhelmed online.
That's the balance of making a fighting game roster, or lot of crossovers in general ( particularly in comics). You have to balance your interesting ideas, and things you want to animate and variant gameplay styles with the overwhelming reality of most of the audience isn't going to care about that they want to play as, popular character. And there are a lot of popular characters, so now they have balance that out.
I'm not saying gameplay isn't important. I'm not saying variant gameplay styles is important, i'm saying that to a majority of the audience , they don't care about that. Look at smash, folks playing melee still and smash 4, but even if smash is dumbed down and casual as hell, the value is sonic can punch mario and pac-man in the face for most of the audience.
All i'm saying is , decisions like that are made because they also need to consider those people. That's all I'm saying.
Whis fans probably will feel disappointed. It would be neat to see him, but unlike Beerus, I don't really expect to.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Gohan is already in the game though. :V
Cell Games Gohan, yes. But Ultimate/Mystic Gohan is different enough to justify a separate character slot.
K then let's scrap Kid Goku since Goku's already in, and with him, all DB representation.
Bros act like they want diversification of playstyles, but want to scrap the best CQC/taijutsu character after Hit because a younger ki based version is already in.
I'm not saying I want TPP over Ultimate Gohan. I'm saying based on the list provided I could see UG moving to DLC to leave room for TPP. As I stated, Yamcha and Tien would take priority, but I could totally see them moving UG to DLC and placing TPP in the base roster instead.
Plus it's not like fans would know TPP "replaced" UG.
I agree with you that Black > any form of Zamasu, but the latter is much more fitted for a fighting game of this type. Like Neoxon said, he covers both Black and Zamasu and is not a clone visually of a Goku.
We haven't really seen Whis fight, and he won't see him fight in a long time. He is awesome, but they would have to fill a lot of blanks to put him in the game.
Uno Venova
Banned
Beerus is actually an established character now, him and Black are the only ones I can see coming in. Cailifula is too new, and Hit is nothing.
I kind of feel like some characters almost have to come in pairs. Can you really have Beerus without Whis? It would just feel like one would be missing if they weren't both in there. I feel the same way about Android 17 and 18, and to a lesser extent 16.
SpiceMelange
Member
I hope Tao Pai Pai at least makes DLC, he's my favorite OG Dragon ball character
You're kinda underestimating Hit's popularity. As mentioned before, he was popular enough for Dimps to squeeze Hit into Xenoverse 2's base roster at the last minute.
They have the Xenoverse games to go off of for Whis, right?
If Eddy Brock Venom and Broly can get into various shit, by being nothing but characters people think are cool and having very little substance. HIt can get in by being a cool guy.
MiguelMexMIstery
Member
Oh okay I get what you say. There are already people complaining in Smash about characters stealing other character's spots tho so people would complain (but then again, some people in this thread would also complain about Super characters possibily being in the game). Isn't Kid/Teen/Young Gohan known as only Gohan in the current build? Maybe they are indeed saving UG for DLC. What do you think about Kid Buu's chances? Base roster or DLC?
They absolutely would. Unless they put in a character less popular than him. "They put X over Ultimate Gohan?" will become a talking point just like people are cursing Arthur and Firebrands inclusion over Phoenix Wright and Vergil in MVCI.
Sure his DLC will sell shit tons. But they will piss off a lot of day one fans. Every casual DBZ YouTuber has Ultimate Gohan in their roster predictions already and they are going for conservative 20-ish character roster.
But he doesn't at all ? Merged Zamasu fights nothing like Black.
I doubt they care about visual clones as long as they make sense and they're unique. They had "holy order SOL" for instance.
There's a difference between having Goku and Goku Black, or 17 and 18, that look similar but fight in unique ways, and having 10 versions of the same Goku just with different hairstyle and maybe a super if we're lucky.
Is Hit more popular than the female Saiyans though? I'm only up to the tail end of the Goku Black arc (so sick of him), and I thought Hit was great, but I can't see him getting in over Goku Black or the female Saiyans. Not unless they're holding them for DLC and still want Super representation in the base roster.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
People need to stop thinking characters get in "over" other characters in every fighting game ever
It's too soon for either of the U6 female Saiyans.
The female super saiyans didn't even exist when they started making the roster, the fact that they add Caulifla at last minute just to have less sausages is a possibility, but she certainly won't replace anybody.
He does not cover both lol, they fight pretty differently, even if Zamasu could theoretically use Black's moveset, he has a lot of different shit that he'd use instead judging from the anime.
If Black did make it in, people will get over it once they see what he can do compared to Goku, not to mention the character is popular anyhow among who've watched Super.
That's part of why I don't see it. Also he's the one character where I wouldn't be that surprised if they just kept him as that character you see, but never get to fight, assuming we see him at all.
Hit is not nothing lol, he's one of the most obvious characters to use to represent Super other than Beerus, his moveset is something I'd really like to see how it'd get implemented.
I wouldn't be surprised if only Beerus gets in, but we see Whis in some non-playable form.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Article implying that we are going to get more variety in term of characters and their movesets, I surly hope so.
Beerus, Gotenks, Piccolo, Androids. They should be in the game since I know they could bring more flavors to the battles.
I'm not surprised with that.
Beerus, Gotenks, Piccolo, Androids. They should be in the game since I know they could bring more flavors to the battles.
I'm not surprised with that.
And I'm saying to dismiss people who wants diversity for the sake of gameplay is ridiculous and why diversity if good and important for a fighter, DBZ especially because let's be real at the end of the day most the cast is going to be punchy beam men. I know why the popular characters get in, it's obvious. That doesn't mean the other side has to be dismissed.
I haven't played Xeno much.
Trust me I would love to have Black over M.Zamasu even just to hear more of Nozowa's voice, but M.Zamasu is probably who is going to be put in the game.
Edit: It's not outlandish to give M.Zamasu B.Goku's moves.
Oh boy here I go killing again!
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
do you actually think people would going to stop with that notion, like ever? I have seen this in many different fighting threads and it will never ends.
I doubt that.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
I don't think it'll stop. It's unfortunate.
I see what you're saying, but if TPP was the only character from DB then I can see an argument for adding him instead of a second version of Gohan. I'm sure the fans would still be upset, but let's face it, no matter what the final roster is (within reason), lots of fans are going to be upset. There's basically no way to avoid that.
Right now it's too soon, but would it still be too soon in March? I've got to imagine the development team is working closely with the anime/manga team so they know what's coming well ahead of time. I'm sure they knew about the female Saiyans before it was necessary to finalize the roster.
If the roster is 20 or less I don't see Buu as the most likely candidate for a second character slot. Maybe I'm under-selling Buu's popularity, but I don't think we'll see many repeat characters taking up slots in the base roster at all, let alone a second Buu over any number of Gohan or Goku variants.
Lmao
I don't think anyone is dismissing you. I'm just saying adjust your expectations. Maybe taopaipai was a bit too left. I have some desires like that too, those super hero looking guys from super with the red and black suits I would love to play them in a DBZ fighting game, they might actually have interesting movesets, and look cool. I'm not going to suggest i'm being dismissed if he doesn't make it in, because who the fuck cares about those guys besides me.
I think it'd be fun to see Beerus with some sort of built-in Whis assist.
It would also be neat if Beerus was about to annihilate the opponent, but then Whis knocks him out lol
Sure, but skipping on TPP would be least damaging and would lead to least fan outcry for a single character being cut imo.
Again, I don't know shit about TPP and don't mind his inclusion as long as the roster is big enough to accommodate all the essential popular picks.
I just wanted to tell people not to write off DB representation completely because an obscure character like TPP isn't in and it's somehow turned into me vs. TPP lol
Very possible since context specific assists are in (Frieza with his follower assist after he recovers from golden form)
What, the whole reason I got into this was because how dismissive a poster was
As others have said, his Ultimate should be him destroying the stage along with the opponent and Whis Jumping in to fix it so the battle continues.
Time for a crakguess that will never happen. What About Universe Deviantart's own God of Destruction??
He looks cool, I'd main him
What if Bulma had the Whis assist? She holds up some food and Whis comes down, executes an attack, grabs the food and leaves?
You're welcome.
Who are we assuming are the essential popular picks? Can we really place a second version of a character in that list if the base roster is 20 or less?
If it's Gohan? Absolutely. I would even say if there was only going to be one Gohan it should've been Ultimate, since that seems to be his strongest form.
As for the roster, I already posted Slaythes roster of 21 characters. If you want to start cutting characters, Tien, Yamcha, Videl go first, then the movie characters since they can be sold as DLC. Then Roshi. Everyone else is essential. Regardless of who gets cut, no way Tao Pai Pai is getting in a <20 man roster anyway.
Check the OT to see who is guaranteed to make it in.
The second version of characters are not taking anybody's spots, they're done relatively quick and it's mostly for fan service and to add two more characters easily I guess.
It's not like they went "hey we need another Goku in place of Whis", more like "well this is it... I guess we can add another Goku in the timespan, it's not a lot of work".
Spehornoob
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Thinking about female characters, Videl could actually be a really cool straight rushdown character, since I don't think she uses Ki attacks at all in the series.
I'd rather see no duplicates in the base roster, but I can agree with this.
Where did the list in the OT come from? I'm not getting the impression SSB is a lock at all, at least not for the base roster.
Also, Ultimate Gohan and even Goku Black would take a decent amount of development time. Maybe not as much as a completely new character in the case of Goku Black, but both would require completely new move sets and mostly new animations. This is especially in the case of Ultimate Gohan unless he borrows a lot of SSJ Goku's moves, which would kind of be a waste imo.
I Was thinking who is Stronger videl or chi chi?
Chi-chi could use kintou for the fun
I think Slaythe is referring to SSB Goku and Vegeta with that quote and not Teen Gohan vs Adult Gohan.
Palette swaps like SSB Saiyans remove the months of modelling and animation time. Also voiceover work. All they need are different specials, assists and supers and can be added as "nearly free" characters to pad out the base roster without needing to replace another character.
Gohan vs Ultimate gohan are obviously different characters. Goku Black is somewhere in the middle. His visuals can just be copy pasted, but his moveset has to be mostly original
Palette swaps like SSB Saiyans remove the months of modelling and animation time. Also voiceover work. All they need are different specials, assists and supers and can be added as "nearly free" characters to pad out the base roster without needing to replace another character.
Gohan vs Ultimate gohan are obviously different characters. Goku Black is somewhere in the middle. His visuals can just be copy pasted, but his moveset has to be mostly original
I'm really interested in seeing how they would handle that type of character. Seems like the game is relying pretty heavily on Ki attacks and being able to teleport, which would limit that kind of character.
Ehh roshi and kid goku probably more, Tien is more a DB character than a z one too really
