LiveFromKyoto
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Given how he usually treats his financial backers, you'd have to be kind of crazy to fund this.
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Shadow of the Eternals - Eternal Darkness Spiritual Sequel [Crowdfunding, Dyack, ???]
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Imbarkus
As Sartre noted in his contemplation on Hell in No Exit, the true horror is other members.
Feh.
The crowd will speak, and if they get funded they will build something more than what the trailer hints at, I am sure. But regardless of what the trailer was built from, what it SHOWED was a game I'd like to play.
Ecco the Dolphin spiritual sequel didn't get funded so... we'll see. It's not a guarantee by any means.
Discomurf
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It's interesting that its only announced for Wii U and PC. Makes me think that this was in development as a Wii U exclusive and then canceled by Nintendo as earlier reports have suggested. Not to mention Dyack's own previous teases on what they were working on.
Edit: IGN has an article up, apparently gameplay footage is coming next week.
Edit: IGN has an article up, apparently gameplay footage is coming next week.
I'm trying to find a mention of it but I can't find any article or post referring to it.
I just remember they had a job listing that mentioned dragons and people were speculating that they could be working on a Metroid game since Ridley is dragon-like. Then Allison Theus the artist that works on Extra Credits got hired by Retro and people thought it was connected since she is able to draw lots of dragon-like fantasy creatures.
It just struck out to me since they were looking for someone that can draw dragons and that sounded oddly specific.
Edit: I've been searching and searching trying to find any article referencing a job listing that says what I'm referring to and I can't find anything. Maybe it was speculation made by someone connecting dots that might not have been there or maybe I'm remembering things wrong.
I just wanted to comment that I couldn't find proof to help back up my statement in case it leads to more speculation.
Edit 2: Maybe Retro never was searching for an artist that can draw dragons and that was a conclusion reached by me and others based on Theus's ability to draw those types of creatures. I can't find an article or even discussion that would have lead me to that conclusion, although I do remember people talking about it relating to Ridley, so I don't know but that's the best explanation I can come up with at the moment.
foobarry81
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So the $1.5M is for one episode only and the whole story will be told in 12? Sounds overly ambitious like Dyack alright.
frankie_baby
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thats just reminded me to look up the ecco game, less than 10% pmsl that is bad
TwEE-N-Toast
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Looks pretty awesome. Asking for a lot of money though.
Or a bunch of small games depending on how you look at it.
foobarry81
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ED could be played through 3 times depending on a choice you made early on. So it could take you up to like 45 to 60 hours to get all endings.
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Howlongtobeat says 30h at most
http://www.howlongtobeat.com/gamebreakdown.php?gameid=988
I remember spending a lot more time in there, but I could be wrong.
If you decide to go through it three times for the secret ending, you're looking at about 25-30 hours at most. Your first playthrough will easily be the longest of the three, as you won't know how the puzzle flow goes. Once you go that down, the game goes by much, much faster.
Imbarkus
As Sartre noted in his contemplation on Hell in No Exit, the true horror is other members.
But then those people are already guaranteed all 12 episodes, so where would the funding for eps 2-12 come from?
TunaMarshmallow
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See, the interesting question here is how many of the twelve episodes will actually be released? My money is on two.
EatChildren
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Yeah, a lot of unanswered questions here.
1) How closely can they tread to the Eternal Darkness IP, assuming they do not own it? Do they risk a cease and desist notice by clearly using content related to Eternal Darkness?
2) Did the assets (church, monsters) originate at Silicon Knights and their failed Eternal Darkness 2 prototype? Given their history, does this raise ethical issues of asset use that may not "belong" to anybody at Precursor Games, as well as Silicon Knights' shady funds history?
3) $1.5 million funds one episode, with backers promised multiple episodes based on tiers. How will additional episodes be funded?
4) Can they even guaranty a Wii U release? PC is easy. But do they have Wii U devkits, and have they spoken to Nintendo to ensure it appears on the eStore?
1) How closely can they tread to the Eternal Darkness IP, assuming they do not own it? Do they risk a cease and desist notice by clearly using content related to Eternal Darkness?
2) Did the assets (church, monsters) originate at Silicon Knights and their failed Eternal Darkness 2 prototype? Given their history, does this raise ethical issues of asset use that may not "belong" to anybody at Precursor Games, as well as Silicon Knights' shady funds history?
3) $1.5 million funds one episode, with backers promised multiple episodes based on tiers. How will additional episodes be funded?
4) Can they even guaranty a Wii U release? PC is easy. But do they have Wii U devkits, and have they spoken to Nintendo to ensure it appears on the eStore?
To answer your first question, there's no assumption needed here; Nintendo unambigiously and definitively owns the ED IP.
Exactly my point. o_o
And with Dyack's reputation, I can see a lot of persons that should be interested (like me) just look the other way, hoping it won't fail, but having absolutely no real faith in the project (like me).
Ninja Scooter
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If any of the people from SK are involved you are crazy to give them your money. I'm sure the guys that screwed over Microsoft, Activision and Epic won't take advantage of a bunch of random dudes on the internet. I'm eagerly awaiting Bernie Madoff's Kickstarter.
Lee Chaolan
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I'd really love if this gets funded, released, then Nintendo's Eternal Darkness comes out shortly thereafter. Would be interesting to see the differences 
SlasherJPC
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IGN clarifies in the comments that the 1.5 covers all episodes.
Silicon Knights is dead. It looks like Precursor Games is a new start-up by Silicon Knights staff, with Dyack as the CCO.
Apparently it'll fund all episodes. Also the highest gaming Kickstarter was backed by only 87,000 people, while an indie horror game has sold over 900,000 copies digitally on PC before. Of course that may be an outlier but it shows that there's a significant audience there for this to get funding from sales at release (provided it doesn't suck).
How exactly were poor little Microsoft and Epic screwed over?
Gamer @ Heart
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If all they have to show is the infamous demo that helped kill the company, it will be hilarious and sad.
Ninja Scooter
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Microsoft basically "kickstarted" Too Human, gave SK a ton of money and time to make whatever they wanted, and got a piece of shit in return that failed to live up to a ton of lofty promises. Epic, well I should say SK tried to screw them over and failed, but it doesn't say a lot about the higher ups with how they behaved. If they are the same people behind this they have very little reason to be trusted.
edit: I'm gonna laugh if this whole thing ends up getting shut down because Dyack used tech that was supposed to be destroyed after the Epic lawsuit.
EatChildren
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Wishmaster92
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Lee Chaolan
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Are you giving a thumbs up to the thumbs down, as in agreeing with the thumbs down, or giving a thumbs up to the project?
Wishmaster92
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Now you got me thinking.
HP_Wuvcraft
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We are either for or against this Kickstarter.
Lee Chaolan
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Does it not seem fitting all this confusion over a new Eternal Darkness title?
Ah ok then. If that's the case, then I wish them luck. That's certainly much more achievable.
Masked Devil
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Awesome!!!
Mama Robotnik
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The more I think about this, the less I get it.
Silicon Knights owes millions to Epic games.
Silicon Knights developers a prototype for Eternal Darkness 2 (allegedly using Activision money)
Silicon Knights declares bankruptcy and closes shop (with no official announcement or internet-accessible declarations)
A new company called Precursor Games, with Silicon Knights staff comes into existence. Do they still owe Epic the millions?
Precursor Games use a Silicon Knights developed prototype video created allegedly from misused Activision funding, to fuel their own Kickstarter, for a game they describe as a sequel in a franchise in which they do not own the Intellectual Property or patents...?
Is that about right?
Silicon Knights owes millions to Epic games.
Silicon Knights developers a prototype for Eternal Darkness 2 (allegedly using Activision money)
Silicon Knights declares bankruptcy and closes shop (with no official announcement or internet-accessible declarations)
A new company called Precursor Games, with Silicon Knights staff comes into existence. Do they still owe Epic the millions?
Precursor Games use a Silicon Knights developed prototype video created allegedly from misused Activision funding, to fuel their own Kickstarter, for a game they describe as a sequel in a franchise in which they do not own the Intellectual Property or patents...?
Is that about right?
Legally Precusor doesn't seem to be a successor company to Silicon Knights. From the few things we've seen, we know that Dyack is -- at least on paper -- not in charge of the company, he's merely an employee. Whoever owns the new company likely was only an employee of SK at most, so there's no way he/she could be held responsible for SK's mistakes.
However, if they're indeed using SK's pitch, things could get tricky, I guess. More precisely, how did they get that stuff, when SK was supposed to destroy all of it? You can't transfer or sell something you don't have anymore.
But, well, I'm not sure if anyone cares enough about some pitch SK might or might not have done in the past to investigate the matter further. Don't think they've got fear anything.
Also, I think what we've seen of the website still contained a lot of dummy texts. When it goes online, they won't call it directly a sequel to ED, I assume.
However, if they're indeed using SK's pitch, things could get tricky, I guess. More precisely, how did they get that stuff, when SK was supposed to destroy all of it? You can't transfer or sell something you don't have anymore.
But, well, I'm not sure if anyone cares enough about some pitch SK might or might not have done in the past to investigate the matter further. Don't think they've got fear anything.
Also, I think what we've seen of the website still contained a lot of dummy texts. When it goes online, they won't call it directly a sequel to ED, I assume.
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