I don't think X, Bayonetta 2, and Retro's game will all launch this year, so at least one, probably two of those will be out there to look forward to. Plus SMT X Fire Emblem and whatever other secret projects they are working on with 3rd parties. Smash Brothers will be 2014 most likely as well.
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CVG secret WiiU news follow-up Rumor: 3D Mario to launch by October
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I don't think X, Bayonetta 2, and Retro's game will all launch this year, so at least one, probably two of those will be out there to look forward to. Plus SMT X Fire Emblem and whatever other secret projects they are working on with 3rd parties. Smash Brothers will be 2014 most likely as well.
I don't know about you, but I would not be looking forward to more blue coin hunting in a 3D Mario. Fortunately, I would have to believe that a lot of the fundamental gameplay stuff for 3D Mario is already done, which would prevent that from happening.
Most people expected it to launch in November or December.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
I was so disappointed by Sunshine. So so disappointed.
Wind Waker is good but I think everyone can recognise how much better it could have been.
Delicious Waffles
Member
You know games are coming by the end of the year. More confirmation like this helps as we continue to wait.
prag16
Banned
What? Why would 3D Mario in October cause Splinter Cell (August) to tank?
As for the 3D Mario game itself, I definitely want the Mushroom Kingdom; perhaps a spiritual successor to Mario 64. Galaxy games were fine, but felt too restrictive and corridor-ish.
Hero of Legend
Member
Don't know when the cut happened, but Sunshine was in 2002 and Double Dash was in 2003, not exactly a double whammy of mass market blockbuster Nintendo games for the one holiday to save it, all should've happened at once.
2002 was certainly my highlight of the GC nonetheless, damn, Sunshine, SA2Battle, Sonic Mega Collection, Cel Damage, Pikmin, Metroid Prime, Melee (got the GC in 2002), Luigi's Mansion, Animal Crossing, etc, 2002 was a spectacular year. Man on that alone the GC should sold at new heights, such a shame. :'(
Well it was my year of GC, so that's what matters to me.
Screamapillar
Member
Pikmin 3 might be awesome. All I want for Wii U is the new 3D Mario and Wind Waker HD. That'll be a good enough holiday for me. There are already enough 3DS games like LttP 2 and Mario & Luigi 4 that I don't even think I'll have time for more than two Wii U games at the end of the year.
I would be very surprised if we didn't get a Wii U Pokémon Battle Simulator by June next year.
Either that or PokéPark 3
What about Snap. Talk about perfect fit.
The idea that Nintendo would put out a buggy overpriced unoptimized POS system with virtually no games for the first 10 months because they expected the Nintendo fanbase to buy 5-10 million units without complaint strikes me as very cynical.
But then again, they know their market better than I do.
But then again, they know their market better than I do.
Zoramon089
Banned
Oh right, because she's going to reveal their unannounced titles and spoil any unexpected release dates before E3, right? Did you skip over the word "including"?
Screamapillar
Member
They have the same size booths as they do every year. The size of their booth has nothing to do with what direction they're taking their press information in. They're doing early press previews in their booth during the time they would normally have their big press conference. They're doing Nintendo Directs sprinkled throughout the week to tell the public about all the things they're showing the press in person.
We're not losing anything with them not having a typical press conference.
Blood Diamonds
Banned
Not everybody is a huge Nintendo fan.
They can't even get people to understand Wii U is a new console you expect people to understand something as stupid as "Hey guise we'll be at E3 but we won't be at E3!"
Monkeylord
Member
Snap is possible. Or Ranger Wii U. I could see that working very well on the Wii U rather than the 3DS
It all depends on Creatures Inc. and they have been alternating games each year for a while
Pokémon Ranger (DS) - 2006
Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia (2008)
PokéPark Wii: Pikachu's Adventure (2009)
Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs (2010)
PokéPark 2: Wonders Beyond (2011)
Since then, they did Dream Radar and the Pokédexes, but it leaves a massive gap. They've also posted a lot of job listings for 3D modellers in the past couple of years. This makes me think they're priming a relatively big Wii U game. It could be the Battle Simulator, since Genius Sonority has downsized, or it could be a number of things.
:lol I was super wrong with my predictions about Wii U's perfomance, like SUPER wrong
I think a 3D Mario has the power to make people fall in love with Nintendo once again
It is more about the case of people not knowing how to read or for some not wanting.
If after reading that you think Nintendo skips E3 then I have bad news for you.
In his defense, this is a gaming enthusiast forum. Most people who visit this site probably regularly check video game news, so it is a little surprising something with that big of a headline isn't known yet.
But not in his defense, I guess some people ignore news related to Nintendo completely, good or bad.
Snap with GamePad acting as the camera with ability post your pictures to Miiverse just makes too much sense to me. They could make it a really cool game with some effort.
shinra-bansho
Member
I meant if it does spur any sort of recovery, it will be too late for Black List, which is supposedly being used as a barometer by third parties.
Also, by the same measure, I don't think anyone should be questioning how sound a business decision cancelling any Wii U Madden port was either.
Not really. While Mario Kart was strong on the Wii, NSMB had a much bigger impact than the Galay games sales wise. Now with the casuals gone, both games will still sell well, but the impact won't be as huge. Mario Kart and SMS couldn't save the the Gamecube as well, although they still were successfull.
You need to be a Nintendo fan to have basic reading comprehension?
They put out a press release/investor's meeting transcript that was combed over for every other bit of information but saying "we will not do a big presentation style event but we will have our things on display and do events around them" is suddenly a hard thing to understand? Nintendo deserves all the shit they're getting for multiple instances of lacking foresight, but let's not get blinded by their shortcomings and go with gut assumptions now.
Re: The topic at hand
I'm really excited for this stuff. Should have been here months ago, but that's neither here nor there. Just make sure that they're the best games they can be and work from there. No use thinking about coulda/woulda/shouda-s right now, just get the content/software train rolling.
What everyone is shocked by is it might release before November, everyone assumed a November/December launch for 3D Mario.
Impeccable
Member
Hooray, more Mario!
Its definitely much faster than that, the update dropped those times to at least a 3rd of what they were. Not that it is now amazing or anything but its much much better.
Loads everything faster than my 360 and PS3, so I'm happy with the Spring Update.
klapauzius
Banned
The only killer app left in the whole gaming industry is Mario Kart and rumors point to a release this year for the Wii U.
Angel Whispers
Member
People who say "If NSMBU couldn't do much, then nothing will" are just being downright dumb. NSMBU will go on to be one of the best-selling games on the console - It's very much an evergreen title, compared to a Fifa or COD, which people typically rush to buy on Day One. It is NOT the type of game that makes people say "I would pay £250-£300 and buy a Wii U to play this", however brilliant it may be. Sure, some people will still be early adopters, but this is true for EVERY GAMES CONSOLE EVER RELEASED - The launch has been fine, at least, it's done as well as it could've done in the current climate and in Nintendo's current circumstances. The reality is that Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft are presented with very different challenges. In many cases, when people have picked/will pick up a Wii U for whatever games caught their attention, they will still most probably look at NSMBU and play it, because it's a part of its library, or on their "must play list" for the console. Had it been released later on, as NSMB2 on 3DS was, more people might have picked one up for that game, but there would be others in its library at that stage, so it's easier because there are more/sufficient numbers of incentives for them to bite. 3D Mario, however, IS the type of game that will encourage more people to bite - it represents a step above the previous console generation, so buyers will see and understand better why they're paying more to own or upgrade to the new one. Case in point? See the 3DS - SM3DLand and Mario Kart 7 helped it to become the fastest-selling console of all-time. Animal Crossing: New Leaf saw more 3DS units fly off the shelves in Japan, and it's still to reach Europe and North American shores. Pretty sure I read that Fire Emblem: Awakening sold out in North America, too. I could go on... But my point, made numerous times on here is that writing the Wii U off before Nintendo have even played their hand of cards is both totally preposterous and bizarre.
Gonzo The Great
Banned
I couldn't have said it any better myself.
It's been said many times before. The New Super Mario Bros series does sell more overall. However it has the benefit of releasing when the user base is established. 3D Mario doesn't sell as much but it's a system seller for the early adopter and more hardcore crowd. Which is why when people talk about launching a system (bought by early adopters and the more hardcore) with Mario game they mean 3D Mario ever since Mario 64. This is why people called BS on Reggie when he complained. He and Nintendo know full well what is meant by "launch a system with a Mario game". People are specifically talking about 3D Mario. That moves units.
Zoramon089
Banned
Did people here even look at Nintendo's latest financial report? You guys keep saying the NSMB games only sell well with a large fanbase but NSMBU has sold around 2 million copies! On a console with a userbase of slightly under 3 million! How is selling to roughly 66% of the fanbase in any way no an incredible feat? Especially for a non pack-in game?
I'd like to see Nintendo make a Mario challenges app similar to the Rayman app. They could do something similar for several of their games to promote them a few months before release. They could do that for Animal Crossing (fishing tournaments, etc), Metroid (speed runs, kill so many metroids in a certain time frame), and the list goes on and on. It would be great to do something like this to really push the online of the Wii U.
Jaded Alyx
Member
BTW, was there a breakdown of how much of that was digital? I forget.
They could've just used the same challenge mode already in NSMBU, just online like the Challenge App I suppose.
Exactly. NSMBU is here to stay.
It's not a system seller though, and that's what everyone is talking about. 3D Mario is definitely a system seller so it would be good of it comes out in October for real. NSMBU will just benefit from those system sales as well...
prag16
Banned
Gotcha. We could use Watch Dogs, Batman, and AC4 as barometers. Though I guess the "issue" there is they're competing too directly with Nintendo's Q4 offerings...
Gianni Merryman
Member
3D Mario and Mario kart launching by the end of 2013?
Quite predictable move, I'm looking forward to knowing more by the way.
Acually I reckon NSMB has performed quite decently overall, considering it's a launch game.
Quite predictable move, I'm looking forward to knowing more by the way.
Acually I reckon NSMB has performed quite decently overall, considering it's a launch game.
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
Its actually just OVER 3 million, but this couldn't be any truer
Angel Whispers
Member
Not only that, but Trine 2: Director's Cut performed better on the Wii U than a combined user base of circa 140 million consoles, while Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed has, by some distance, the highest sale - user base ratio on the Wii U, while in terms of units, it's performed just as well as the others. These points aren't stressed enough to "third parties" when they make bullshit excuses.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
There's truth here, and it's often misunderstood by a lot of observers.
There's a balance necessary between software to both expand and sustain a platform. Not every game has to be a system seller - many games will sell a nearly infinite amount to an already established userbase.
But generally, I think the pattern could go like this:
- titles with hardcore appeal required to grow initial userbase
- with large enough base, platform becomes noticed by mainstream
- start putting out sustaining titles to create a robust library
- mainstream begins buying in, and pushes sales of appealing titles
- hardcore titles don't have to sell as much as mainstream titles, their work is done
- but a steady stream of hardcore titles do cause hardware bumps every time they're released
- so wash rinse repeat
All that said it'll be really interesting to see what the next 3D Mario is like post-3D Land. Because 3D Land's sales curve seems to be approaching 2D Mario levels, something about that game really hit a sweet spot. Could be significant if 3D Land has convinced a lot of people to check out 3D Mario who previously didn't think they could play the 3D games.
dragonflys545
Member
Not really a surprise lol... What else would Nintendo be making? A new IP? lulz.