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#PS4NoDRM #XboxOneNoDRM || Now do you "Believe?"
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Sorry, I meant to say that it's blocked on my computer, so I can't actually visit the site to count.
Krusenstern
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For anyone interested, here are the templates:
Since we should have that avatar thing going a while ago already, here is the banner that people can just put above the avatar:
A lil love for Xbone!
190 articles according to that site. (Of which 11 articles were follow-ups on the same site.)
Krusenstern
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Thanks!
Flightmare
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Could someone add XboneNoDRM to my avatar?
Thanks.
Thank you very much!
thank you friend. I'm assuming that we've all agreed on #XboxOneNoDRM, I haven't gone through the rest of the thread yet. But I'll go ahead and tweet that for Phase 2.
Flightmare
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Baller. PhD
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Someone Xbox my shit too pl0x.
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I hope this post won't be ignored in the huge mass of posts here, but I don't want to create a new thread for just an idea...
I think the period of sales the developpers want to protect the most from used sales is the very beginning. Say first 3-6 months, maybe. In this period, the price (or the sales) can be driven down by second-hand sales (disclaimer: I personally don't think they're losing money because of second-hand market, for a large number of reasons, but let's assume it's the case)
How would you feel with a system like this:
1) All discs include a date (e.g. the launch of the game) and an ID.
2) Each console keeps track of a "current date". The current date can be updated when you connect to Live/PSN, or when you insert a disc with a disc-date more recent than the one in the system. If you keep the console offline, and don't insert recent discs, the date just stays the same.
3) When you put a game in the console, 2 possible cases:
- the game has a date that is less than 6-month older than the console date > the console require an authentification (possibly online, or any other system), and prevent the game being run without it (you can imagine a fee, like Microsoft's system, to unlock the game on a different account if you want)
- the game has a date that more than 6-month older than the console date > the game run without any DRM
What are the advantages?
- you can resell your games freely, as long as you don't in the first 6 months (or rather, you can, but people buying it can't use it before the 6-months period end, at least without paying a fee)
- you can lend your games to friend after this 6-months period (if you friends were willing to buy the game, they would probably have, anyway)
- as long as the console date is 6-months older than your games, there's no DRM anymore, so the system don't rely on any authentification server of any sort. You just have to find a way to set the console date to a recent one (if Sony/Microsoft wants to play it cool, they either leave a server that only reset the date, which basically remove any DRM, or release a "dummy" disc that does the same)
There's two possible problems I can see:
- there's still an authentification process for the first 6-month, that require an online connexion or any equivalent system
- the security on the console must NOT be compromized. If hackers find a way to access and reset the date, all the system fail, unfortunately.
I'm really against any kind of DRM (I can't even stand Steam), but I may accept such a solution. It doesn't prevent you from lending your games (except during the launch window), it doesn't prevent you to resell them (also outside of the launch window), and since the DRM can expire, collectors won't ever have an issue with DRM, even if the servers are taken down.
Could this kind of solution (I don't expect it to be used, that's just a way to discuss the problem) be found acceptable by people, like my, against DRM systems? I'd like to hear your thoughts about this.
(Think about it like the period of time where the movies, in the theater, are protected from the DVD or VoD markets)
I think the period of sales the developpers want to protect the most from used sales is the very beginning. Say first 3-6 months, maybe. In this period, the price (or the sales) can be driven down by second-hand sales (disclaimer: I personally don't think they're losing money because of second-hand market, for a large number of reasons, but let's assume it's the case)
How would you feel with a system like this:
1) All discs include a date (e.g. the launch of the game) and an ID.
2) Each console keeps track of a "current date". The current date can be updated when you connect to Live/PSN, or when you insert a disc with a disc-date more recent than the one in the system. If you keep the console offline, and don't insert recent discs, the date just stays the same.
3) When you put a game in the console, 2 possible cases:
- the game has a date that is less than 6-month older than the console date > the console require an authentification (possibly online, or any other system), and prevent the game being run without it (you can imagine a fee, like Microsoft's system, to unlock the game on a different account if you want)
- the game has a date that more than 6-month older than the console date > the game run without any DRM
What are the advantages?
- you can resell your games freely, as long as you don't in the first 6 months (or rather, you can, but people buying it can't use it before the 6-months period end, at least without paying a fee)
- you can lend your games to friend after this 6-months period (if you friends were willing to buy the game, they would probably have, anyway)
- as long as the console date is 6-months older than your games, there's no DRM anymore, so the system don't rely on any authentification server of any sort. You just have to find a way to set the console date to a recent one (if Sony/Microsoft wants to play it cool, they either leave a server that only reset the date, which basically remove any DRM, or release a "dummy" disc that does the same)
There's two possible problems I can see:
- there's still an authentification process for the first 6-month, that require an online connexion or any equivalent system
- the security on the console must NOT be compromized. If hackers find a way to access and reset the date, all the system fail, unfortunately.
I'm really against any kind of DRM (I can't even stand Steam), but I may accept such a solution. It doesn't prevent you from lending your games (except during the launch window), it doesn't prevent you to resell them (also outside of the launch window), and since the DRM can expire, collectors won't ever have an issue with DRM, even if the servers are taken down.
Could this kind of solution (I don't expect it to be used, that's just a way to discuss the problem) be found acceptable by people, like my, against DRM systems? I'd like to hear your thoughts about this.
(Think about it like the period of time where the movies, in the theater, are protected from the DVD or VoD markets)
Orpheus Telos
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Could someone add the xbox banner to mine as well?
Jake Tower
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I'd put the XboxOneNoDRM banner on my avatar, but I won't unless Microsoft pays me for helping spread their brand awareness. They already have my Xbone marketing for free.
Grampa Simpson proposed a similar no resale window in this thread. Not a lot of people were receptive to the idea of it.
MOGGGGG, much respect mate, cheers!
Orpheus Telos
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Thank you very much.
Baller. PhD
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Twittle it up, gents: http://www.ps4nodrm.com/1/post/2013/05/cnn-chimes-in-on-ps4nodrm.html
Thank you sir!
I've been hanging around for a bit, but this is the first thing that I feel like I should be open in and participate with. Feels good man! Lol
Krusenstern
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Baller, your work on the website is fantastic. Just wanted to say this again.
Totally agree
First, thanks for seing my post.
Second, thanks again for the link. I hadn't seen this thread, unfortunately. An interesting solution, indeed (you just don't want to be too eager to play a game when you're a collector).
The fact is that I would obviously prefer the system like it is now, like probably nearly everyone here. But I'm not sure we'll be able to get anything close to this (I'd like to be proven wrong, either because they're listening to complaints, or because a couple of laws forbid such a system).
But I'd rather have a DRM system that'll automatically expire after a couple of month than a console that become a brick after a couple of years. I'm still enjoying my SNES, I want at least this to go on (and I want to be able to make friends discover some games they may have missed)
I actually meant it in a negative way, hah. It's good to see juniors in here, but there are just a surprising number of juniors who are shitting up threads.
It's just super suspicious when you have someone who joined a month ago, only has a few dozen posts, and every single one of them is defending the XBoxOne... without any other posts whatsoever. Maybe bishoptl is just making me paranoid now.
SlowRevolution
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Yeah, great job. Especially cool to keep seeing the press coverage list keep growing.
Baller. PhD
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Just doing my part. It's actually kind of fun!
Oh wow Baller you made it so easy to do the tweets! Great work!
Krusenstern
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Baller. PhD
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We tried to get #PS4DRM反対 going, but if some actual Japanese people started using something else then we should go with that. Does anyone know what that says?
10101
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Any chance someone could xbox me ava up plz?
I'm also adverse to the whole fee business as well. They sold the game to me, its now mine, they don't own it anymore and don't deserve a cut of my sale.
It's too restrictive IMO what if you bought it and hate it or finish it quickly, why should you have to wait 6 months to sell it?
I'm also adverse to the whole fee business as well. They sold the game to me, its now mine, they don't own it anymore and don't deserve a cut of my sale.
Yeah I can get that. Good to know I'm at least not part of that class haha. All in all though, the more supporters the better.
Man, I'll say it as well, your work is really appreciated. Thank you!
Yes! Thanks!
Nice thanks!
They basically say, if Microsoft is getting paid on used sales we want to get paid too....
SneakyStephan
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Well I'm sorry for not being able to distinguish sarcasm from honest passive agressive dickwaving and stupidity when it comes to kotaku.
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