I can't imagine it would apply in very many situations.
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Dark Souls 2 Lighting changes/Downgrade
- Thread starter Moral Panic
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I can't imagine it would apply in very many situations.
Sometimes I think people just don't read the OP. This thread is about graphics, and the unacceptable way in which they were represented until, well, release day. Some of this seems to have affected the gameplay (like the torch mechanic) but that's not the primary point of discussion here.
swazzyswess
Member
After playing at 50% health for a while: screw the torch mechanic. It would have sucked with the regular enemies in this game. Just go use the lantern in TotG and imagine doing that for hours on end. It wouldn't be fun or interesting.
That's obvious, I meant ACTUAL point. Like what does this bring to the discussion?
The game is still fun!
No shit.... I don't think anyone in this thread ever said it was broken or worthless or not worth playing. There's nothing wrong with holding out for the PC version, it's probably the smart thing to do.
PixelHorror
Member
Are you 12 or something?
We are discussing what the hell happened in the development of the game, I don't care about graphics and I'm pretty sure the game will be awesome and everything that we expected to be.
Ingueferroque
Banned
I'm going to wait a little longer to see if any news about the PC version leaks... I fear for the worst, in which case I'll be asking GMG for a refund.
I'm sure the 'pretty' version of DS2 is being developed for PS4/XB1.. so instead of double-dipping I'll just wait for that version.
Not a graphics whore, just feel bad about the whole situation and Namco's shitty PR.
Seriously WTF
:thumbsup
Relaxed Muscle
Member
CadetMahoney
Member
DarknessTear
Banned
I don't know that the PC version will be what you all expect, if it does... then good!
The GAF anti-hype train almost made me not play it. I'm not regretting my decision to play it now, of course. It is a good game, though it might not be balanced on par with the last two.
The GAF anti-hype train almost made me not play it. I'm not regretting my decision to play it now, of course. It is a good game, though it might not be balanced on par with the last two.
JRW
Member
Anyone notice the 360 version having elevated black levels? ..when I start the game from dashboard the screen goes black as usual but just before the dark souls 2 loading screen appears the brightness ramps up and the black background now has a hint of grey, affects the whole game afterwards, other games don't do this.
Necromanti
Member
Given that the PC version is going to be (or has the capacity of being) the best version regardless, I don't see why not if someone plans on playing the game. It's not like a better version will pop up further down the line or that the game won't be worth playing anyway.
I'm playing too right now and I'm still annoyed by these changes. The game is great, no question, but some areas look so much less atmospheric than in the demo footage due to these changes.
TheSadRanger
Banned
Did the Steam page for DS 2 change? I would have sworn when I looked at it a while ago that it stated it had *improved textures* and stuff as one of its key features on the list but now it's removed.
I'm imagining it and I'm liking it. So dark, so oppressive, so OMG GIANT SKELETON!
Metalingus5150
Member
For people saying the lighting mechanic would have been hard and like tomb of the giants.
I WANTED THAT!!.
I WANTED THAT!!.
JRW
Member
Oh if people were hoping for TotG style darkness the whole time then I'd have to agree with you there.
You imagined it... the devs imagined it, played it, and decided it wasn't good.
The areas where the torch mechanic is still somewhat useful hint at what could have been. So much potential there!
If that's the case, they would have discovered this a LONG time ago and they they would have built the game accordingly. They would never have left that awful ambient lighting, the shitty repeating textures in areas that should have been pitch black and there wouldn't have been tons of torches to light all over the place.
HyperBitHero
Member
Forbes just did an article about the topic. They even used my video at the start.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2014/03/13/dark-souls-ii-graphics-and-lighting-downgrade-sparks-controversy/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2014/03/13/dark-souls-ii-graphics-and-lighting-downgrade-sparks-controversy/
I have it pre-ordered, but its not like it costs me anything. Honestly though, I don't really care if it has the lighting system or not. I expect that it wont, which is ok because the game still looks fun as shit and worth the $50.
Metroid-Squadron
Banned
"Apparently both the side-by-side videos are of PS3 footage, and theres no doubt that the lighting and textures (and backgrounds, etc.) in the earlier build look much prettier (though not necessarily better for this particular game.)"
A goddamned apologist.
Sorcerer Supreme
Member
FromSoftware lost my pre order until I see the final game running on a PC. If it's anything like the console version then I'll wait for a massive price drop before buying it.
Garcia
Member
How about they bring back the torches and get rid of all those fucking snipers? They're just there to annoy you.
pretty done
Member
Torches are in the game. What?
CountAntonius
Member
If the PC version is as improved as DS1 was with DSFix then I'll be happy. It's not the best case scenario of course but from watching a bunch of streams and youtube I can manage. Still wish they were more up front about it but it won't stop me from enjoying it.
Marvel
could never
Exactly what I'm doing.
I /facepalmed. This contributor from www.forbes.com, Eric Kain, completly fail to see the lingering problem behind this (ie. the false advertising), and is trying to justify this downgrade.
Sure, I can agree that they downgraded the graphics because of potential framerate issues (and/or perhaps gameplay issues too, but that remains to be confirmed). Everyone can realize that. The problem is that they purposely hid that fact between the last time the game was shown (January 2014) and its release.
Sure, I can agree that they downgraded the graphics because of potential framerate issues (and/or perhaps gameplay issues too, but that remains to be confirmed). Everyone can realize that. The problem is that they purposely hid that fact between the last time the game was shown (January 2014) and its release.
SilverBullet
Member
It wouldn't be like TotG because in there you don't have lamps, and wall torches to permanently light up the room.
That is the problem with the game now. It was clearly design to be dark and as you progress you bring light to the levels. I can only image the feeling of the added layer of accomplishment after having turned all the lights on on a level that was once super hard to navigate.
What the showed us before was a game of not only beating your enemies but also conquering the levels with a clear visual representation of your progress.
it would be pretty interesting if the game still had the graphical fidelity of the gameplay reveal that instead of just having a torch in one hand for those dark areas, we could just throw it to the ground and it would stay there burning until the player picked it up again, coupling that with the lighting in the game it would look amazing and the player wouldnt be ampered down
downgrade? Who cares the game is still grea-
what's the reason of this downgrade supposed to be? If they stated one.
what, no more dragons there? I do not fucking like this.
Seriously WTF
what's the reason of this downgrade supposed to be? If they stated one.
Metroid-Squadron
Banned
XANDER CAGE
Member
If Namco comments on this now, I'm convinced that they're going to go with the gameplay angle even though it's clear that the torch mechanic was hastily gutted at the end of the project.
What kind of developer would come up with a torch system like that without playtesting to make sure that it was viable in the first place? If they determined that it was a bad idea, they would have changed the project's direction well before the game's layout was completed and a billion years before the areas were fully textured and lit. They also wouldn't mention the torches in every promotional interview ever. The fact that the previously dark areas now have ugly ambient light and lousy textures makes it obvious that this was a last second change.
What kind of developer would come up with a torch system like that without playtesting to make sure that it was viable in the first place? If they determined that it was a bad idea, they would have changed the project's direction well before the game's layout was completed and a billion years before the areas were fully textured and lit. They also wouldn't mention the torches in every promotional interview ever. The fact that the previously dark areas now have ugly ambient light and lousy textures makes it obvious that this was a last second change.
I feel as though I should email Namco about the fact they have trailers from the non existent reveal footage advertising the game on the Steam page. Explain to them about the UK's strict false adversing laws and see what they have to say.
I don't know about you guys but I want answers very soon and not less than a week before release.
I don't know about you guys but I want answers very soon and not less than a week before release.
CountAntonius
Member
Good that it's been picked up by the media. Not that they are being very aggressive about it but regardless Namco might speak up now.
If this is true that the whole game had the original lighting in with desirable performance, and they chose to take it out, then it truly must have been a design decision and someone at FROM just has weird taste rather than being an evil advertising guru.