This eye-witnesses was interviewed by a News Reporter days after this event took place. If he believed he was being corrected by the police, he would have gave a totally different interview.
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This eye-witnesses was interviewed by a News Reporter days after this event took place. If he believed he was being corrected by the police, he would have gave a totally different interview.
DonasaurusRex
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http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/23/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
Good that it's on Obama's radar now. I'm cautiously optimistic that we'll actually have a resolution to this whole thing.
Ghost_Protocol
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"oh hai"
When did Casey Anthony admit to killing caylee?
Choke on the Magic
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As a father if this were my son. I'd definitely find a way to kill him.
DrForester
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Will there be satisfaction if he only charged with manslaughter an not murder?
No one rioted when he walked free.
you kidding? a bunch of white people started marching but got distracted by a sale at pier 1
Dreams-Visions
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he still did it, tho. lol
the same day Zimmerman plans on admitting to murdering Trayvon in cold blood.
the post was in response to the suggestion that murders never get convicted. Naturally, I don't give to shits if you think Casey and OJ are innocent. I think they both got away with murder, and the former did so here in Florida, hence my post.
Zimmerman certainly could as well.
soundahfekz
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I honestly think manslaughter would only apply if he could prove everything went down as he says it did. AT MINIMUM he is guilty of manslaughter, but more likely with the evidence that has come out he'll be charged with 2nd degree murder.
He said he would never get off, and I posted an example. My true perspective? I suppose you wouldn't say that if OJ was white and I posted it, and I have a hard time believing you would even be in this thread as much if Zimmerman were black and the kid was white.
How about your "true perspective"
soundahfekz
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one of the all time great debates of the barbershop!
Except that there hasn't been a thread on gaf where this has occurred, and in my post history I've objectively condemned overzealous and corrupt behavior of police, irrespective to race. Justice is justice, if a black wannabe neighborhood watch captain gunned down a white child in a black neighborhood for carrying skittles, and the overwhelming black police force ignored evidence, corrected witnesses and had a police chief as incompetent as fucking mayonnaise, I damn sure wouldn't be highlighting the anomaly of a wintness in the abudance of evidence on how Black Zimmerman could've been defending himself as you and others have done.
Damn, that even sounds sad as a hypothetical scenario and here in this very thread we have you and others actually animating it.
There is a time and place for rioting. Most riots nowadays are stupid. It's usually just stupid sport fans or, well, when people don't get there way when a court hearing that holds absolutely no precedent over their life doesn't go the way they want it to go.
If people riot over this case, it will be among racists and idiots. I just hope they don't do too much damage to normal people's, of all races, live's and belongings.
Dreams-Visions
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Dreams-Visions
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That is Murder in the First Degree.
That would be extremely hard to prove here, so Murder 2 or Voluntary Homicide are my best for conviction.
Chie Satonaka
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Quoted for truth. After you get over the rage (I was enraged, anyway), then it's just depressing, and compacted by the fact that people are actually trying to play devil's advocate.
Bolded for emphasis, because that's the bottom line.
Choke on the Magic
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I disagree. This case was racially charged from the get go. Not only did you have a racist cop mishandling evidence, but it was in a case involving a black man killing two white people. One of whom he's been charged with domestic abuse with. The media attention was primarily focused on race. That's why jury selection took as long as it did and the selection of Judge Ito as well. Not to mention this is 4 years after the Rodney King beating/riots. This case was swimming in racial profiling/stereotyping.
Squirrel Killer
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That's nice. What subsection applies to what Zimmerman did?
(Note: Since this is the first time I'm replying in this thread, let me make clear that I'm in no way defending Zimmerman, he seems like a wannabe cop with delusions of authority who murdered an innocent kid, but just because he's guilty of murder doesn't mean we can just throw any old law at him.)
Choke on the Magic
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Problem is that the prosecution would have to prove it didn't go down the way he said it did. He doesn't technically have to prove anything.
DrForester
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That's the question, do you go for the murder charge,which will be VERY hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury given known evidence, or go with manslaughter, which has a better chance of getting a conviction?
soundahfekz
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SHE WAS HIS WIFE AND ONE POINT. MEANING THEY ACTUALLY FUCKED AND LOVED EACH OTHER AND ALL THAT GOOD SHIT
Again, OJ Simpson's trial was not predicated on RACE. The dynamics of race came from public perception and the media constantly addressing it. Trayvon's death didn't cause this outrage. The investigation thereafter or lack thereof did. Learn the difference.
Dreams-Visions
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I assume you're trying to say that the crime itself was not predicated on race (ie, OJ didn't kill her because he woke up and realized she was white after thinking she was black all this time). Because the trial (the investigation and police conduct) was very much predicated on race.
Here's the difference between the witnesses; only one person can confirm who was crying that night. If the other Witnesses testify in front of the jury, they cannot confirm it was Trayvon's voice, and that's a real important factor in this case. A jury will most likely side with the witness who actually saw who was crying.
Now does this mean Zimmerman deserved to shoot Trayvon? Absolutely not.
Zimmerman was the obvious aggressor that night when he was in pursuit of Trayvon Martin. Zimmerman cornered then Martin which resulted in an altercation. Trayvon was in obvious fear for his life because he was being followed by a man that did not look like cop, but a man that looked kill him.
A 13 year old boy Witnessed an altercation, but they he saw them separated on the ground. Is possible that Zimmerman was crying after Trayvon got the upper hand in the alteration, which resulted in Trayvon's death.
soundahfekz
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Yeah, that's what I mean. My bad for not clarifying. When I said his trial, I mean everything leading up the trial.
Dreams-Visions
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TRAYVON'S.
MOTHER.
RECOGNIZED.
HER.
SON'S.
SCREAMING.
VOICE.
ON.
THE.
RECORDING.
Let's not forget this basic reality. The audio recordings are quite clear.
This is the whole problem. How can anyone say that this guy was standing his ground.
Well as long as they don't start putting Do the Right Thing back in theatres, I think we'll be okay on the rioting front.
soundahfekz
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I'll take the woman who actually birthed the child's word that it is her son's voice over a 13 year old that again, may or may not have been corrected as reported others may have been.
No grown ass man screams like that under duress. Those are the screams of an adolescent. The sheer delusion and the fact that you continue to hang on to this thread of a 'possibility' tells me all I need to know about your perspective, and it's really sad.
Did he walk up to them? Did he know their voices from one another? How can he confirm it if he was what, 30, 40 feet away and they were locked together and it was dark and raining? What kind of hearing/eye sight combination does he have? for all intents and purposes, unless he was physically a few feet away to see the sound coming out of someone's lips, it's really hard to tell the voice difference between two people you've never met, who are in the rain many meters away from you.
What -needs- to hopefully happen is some sort of CSI shit where they can match up the voice digitally.
Do you think federal investigators should complete their analysis of the audio? In other words, are you sure that's him only in the context of this discussion on GAF or do you feel it's obvious enough that no further analysis would be required to stand up in court?
soundahfekz
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Basically you're asking if he's in your mind completely biased and closed to any other scenario other than it being trayvon's voice. Man up and ask the fucking question man. Why patronize?
There's something wrong with you.
Dreams-Visions
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You know what I think? I think I'm not going to waste my time entertaining conversation with you. Don't ask me stupid questions and maybe I'll discuss something with you.
Since nobody ever answered your question: pretty much ever type of person wears hoodies here. It's a pedestrian city where you are constantly on the sidewalk and people don't like getting rained on or cold while they move from place to place. That's another thing that makes Geraldo's bullshit so outrageous: he lives in a city where a wide range of people often wear hoodies, not just "ghetto wannabes." Shit, Brooklyn is FILLED with hoodie wearing hipsters with ironic shit on the front.
How is that a stupid question? Do you think anything is gained by federal investigators completing their analysis of the various pieces of audio?
Deified Data
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This thread is awash in periodic waves of ugliness, sure as the ocean's tides. I'm out until this "cycle" is over.
soundahfekz
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I'm gonna do the same. He's the first time I've ever felt the need to use the ignore function.
Not necessarily. His attire may have contributed to his death to the extent that it triggered Zimmerman's prejudice. But that does not entail that Trayvon is culpable for his murder. Rather, it's a function of the prejudice evoked by seeing a young black man in a hoodie. Moreover, this is not a lesson that minorities should not wear hoodies. It's a lesson for society that our prejudices are fallacious. We should not treat a young black man differently because he's wearing a hoodie or what some deem stereotypical hood attire. The onus is not on minorities to adopt acceptable attire. It's on society to evolve.
To add on to this, has he never taken a walk around a college campus during the late fall and winter?
Perhaps one good thing will come out of all this, the repeal of the "Stand Your Ground" law. I know I'm not setting foot in Florida while it is in effect. I'm spending my money somewhere else. It is a bad law, the Florida Prosecuting Attorneys Association is against it.
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2012/03/23/us/23reuters-usa-florida-shooting-law.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&ref=trayvonmartin
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2012/03/23/us/23reuters-usa-florida-shooting-law.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&ref=trayvonmartin
THis whole thing about hoodies and shit reminded me of an incident that happened during my time at university.I was coming home at night with two of my housemates, black medical students, and we were about 100m from our house. Since it was freezing cold at 4AM, we all had hoods on.... We saw 3 South Asian girls who were in our year, they had turned around the corner saw us turned around the corner and no word of a lie, ran...... We saw this shit and were like, hmmm. So we went around the corner and were like, "yo it's us". So we went to try and tell them, it was us, they then ran back into our uni to escape three hooded black-youths. I had to go to my uni, swipe into it. Go to them and
Me: Hey, did you see three suspicious looking guys outside?"
Them: Yeah
Me: Two of them are outside
Them: Oh really then where's the other.....
The luck on their face when they clocked on was priceless. I took them outside and then they all loooked awkwordly at us and tried to make jokes and excuses about it. We talked about it and we were like, was it cos we were wearing hoods or was it cos we were black? There were like two other instances where i wore a hood and my friends remarked that they started getting shook. Hell i knew the skinniest, nerdiest, looking medical student. Think this:
This girl i know, said she was reluctant to get on a bus because he was wearing a hood. This guy was always around school, smartly dressed but when he wears a hood he goes from Carlton Banks to DMX in the blink of an eye. I am seriously reminded of the fact i can't wear hoods when out in public without knowing that being 6 foot 2 and black i will probably intimidate a shit tonne of people. The only time i can think of where i could get away with wearing a hood and not scare a person or two is if it's one with my school logo.
My little brother and i are gonna have to have a talk about this shit.
Me: Hey, did you see three suspicious looking guys outside?"
Them: Yeah
Me: Two of them are outside
Them: Oh really then where's the other.....
The luck on their face when they clocked on was priceless. I took them outside and then they all loooked awkwordly at us and tried to make jokes and excuses about it. We talked about it and we were like, was it cos we were wearing hoods or was it cos we were black? There were like two other instances where i wore a hood and my friends remarked that they started getting shook. Hell i knew the skinniest, nerdiest, looking medical student. Think this:
This girl i know, said she was reluctant to get on a bus because he was wearing a hood. This guy was always around school, smartly dressed but when he wears a hood he goes from Carlton Banks to DMX in the blink of an eye. I am seriously reminded of the fact i can't wear hoods when out in public without knowing that being 6 foot 2 and black i will probably intimidate a shit tonne of people. The only time i can think of where i could get away with wearing a hood and not scare a person or two is if it's one with my school logo.
My little brother and i are gonna have to have a talk about this shit.
CrazyDogg77
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He's from London so things might be different there.
That's mighty suspicious of you...
The quote is pissing me off because it almost places blame on the victim, but the general sentiment seems to be one I would almost agree with.
If I lived somewhere where if I put a hoodie on, people would be terrified of me and I would be dealing with all sorts of problems - not even including getting my ass shot - in part because of that hoodie... well it wouldn't be worth it to me. I feel guilty saying that, but it's true, I'd rather avoid the trouble all together than make (a very important) statement.
Seriously, you guys have to really think and understand what exactly is going on.
This case is going to be brought before a jury, and in most cases, a juror will favor an eye-witness testimony over someone who did not actually see the event.. Is it possible that Zimmerman was the one screaming for help because a grown man can have a high pitched voice when under distressed. You can call me all the names in the book but those are two undeniable facts that you cannot dismiss.
marathonfool
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That's some mace right there. Florida gonna florida.
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