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Billions |OT| Starring Paul Giamatti & Damian Lewis - Sundays 10/9c
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You had to suspend all disbelief for the short stock scenario to play out but it was fun to watch.
I love this show. My favorite new drama even though I know season two is almost over. Taylor been a great addition to the show. I feel like this a show people will catch up too over time as buzz grows.
I think so. Especially since she warned Chuck about the short. Then she got in on it. Insider trading and that is illegal.
I love this show. My favorite new drama even though I know season two is almost over. Taylor been a great addition to the show. I feel like this a show people will catch up too over time as buzz grows.
I think so. Especially since she warned Chuck about the short. Then she got in on it. Insider trading and that is illegal.
TyphoonStruggle
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OH MY FUCKING GAWD...
WHAT AN EPISODE!!!!
WAHT A TWIST!!!!!
4D Chess up in this biatch!
The "twist" was pretty heavy handed.
Grinchy
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The only issue I have with the episode is that I feel like Chuck had no personal motivation to act so snarky toward Wendy when she warned him. It feels like he only acted that way so that the script could have her getting mad and making a play against him.
A more realistic interaction would have been like, "Thank you for warning me, Wendy, but if I acted on that information, it would be illegal. I have to just stick it out now."
A more realistic interaction would have been like, "Thank you for warning me, Wendy, but if I acted on that information, it would be illegal. I have to just stick it out now."
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Everyone is in deep shit!
Isn't Dake running it though?
Wendy's getting on the bandwagon isn't illegal, heck it's barely unethical. She's just asking to invest in something her firm is doing anyway, with no knowledge beyond the fact that her firm is doing it.
Her warning Chuck is obviously both, but since he didn't act on that information, and nobody except the two of them witnessed it, that's unlikely to cause trouble.
Chuck letting his dad use the blind trust is sketchy, but the blind trust is there to prevent him from insider trading - in this case, he actually sacrificed his money to bait Axe. Probably illegal (But there's a fat chance the trust is a personal choice, not a legal one - See Trump's for real life applications), but imho not unethical. (What he did to Ira, however, is ten different kinds of unethical - but the damage will be limited, because after the investigation ICEJ will get back up - and Axe's will be on the hook for damages)
Axe is fucked. He's mandated poisonings to take down a company, out of spite, but also making a killing for his company too - There's motive, there's ten different kinds of evidence, there's damage. Unless they deus ex machina it, Axe is going to see the inside of a jail cell.
(Discussing Axe's ethics after the Sandicot stunt is superflous. Everyone else is a person that sometimes fails, and he's a fucking sociopath)
vpance
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I love it when Chuck wins. Didn't see the twist coming but they never did foreshadow anything.
Re: him losing his money, I don't think he will. When the sabotage is exposed the stock should resume trading as normal.. at least if it's like real life.
Yeah, but it was still fun
Re: him losing his money, I don't think he will. When the sabotage is exposed the stock should resume trading as normal.. at least if it's like real life.
Yeah, but it was still fun
dead souls
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Brilliant episode. It was so fun to watch.
aronnov reborn
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Seriously fuck Chuck Rhodes.
This entire season has been his rise and things going great for him. And Axel getting screwed.. this last time without him even knowing how screwed he is..
I mean how does he even get out of this? Is his only hope the fact that Wendy jumped in on the short and she'd have to be prosecuted too?
So season 2?
This entire season has been his rise and things going great for him. And Axel getting screwed.. this last time without him even knowing how screwed he is..
I mean how does he even get out of this? Is his only hope the fact that Wendy jumped in on the short and she'd have to be prosecuted too?
So season 2?
NYR
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I think the point will be to prove Axe deliberately screwed the IPO via a conspiracy and it will regain its proper value accordingly and eventually. Or maybe the point he is as ruthless as Axe and they are both headed for the same result - a head on car crash.
Ira and Chuck Sr will be made whole, either by the stock recovering or by suing axelrod for tortious interference.
Once information gets out that Ice Juice was set up the stock price should jump back up but not sure how the show is going to play it.
At least he's not a hypocrite like fucking Chuck. I was so happy when I thought Chuck lost it all. God dammit!
They still had bacteria in the warehouse, even if it was planted. I would still be weary, but I'm no trader.
vpance
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It's humbling time for Axe.
TBH poisoning the juice feels like such a farfetched move, so I'm glad they didn't make it an easy win for Axe and there was something more to it.
I think the FBI pretty much caught everyone involved in the act.
Mr. Saturn
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Why does Chuck being a hypocrite, something that I'll admit is true at times, bother you so much but Axe destroying a town doesn't? I'm surprised there are people in this thread cheering for Axe.
Chuck and the other characters certainly have their failings, Chuck's hypocrisy in certain matters for one thing but they're not sociopaths like Bobby.
Not to mention Chuck losing would have been boring since Axe almost always comes out ahead.
Well, the simplest answer is that I just like Axe the character more, so I can hand wave his faults while complaining about Chuck.
But to be clear, Axe of course has his issues, but at least he's up front about it. In the real world? Yea obviously that doesn't make him any better. But in the TV world, Chuck is a scumbag in my eyes.
This makes no sense. So because he's Damien Lewis his objectively sociopathic actions get a pass? What has Chuck done that comes anywhere close to wiping out an entire town's economy?
What does being Damien Lewis have to do with it?
I think you are 1. misinterpreting my post, and 2. really overthinking it. It's a fucking TV show. All I said was that to me, in a TV show, I've always hated the hypocrites and them frustratingly annoying. Therefore, in TV SHOWS, I will root against them.
Axe isn't a hypocrite? How? His whole 9/11 thing exposed his bullshit big time last season.
I think one of the most impressive things about this show is how both Axelrod and Chuck have good and bad sides. You can see just from reading this thread that the viewers are split on who to root for, I can't think of many shows with two leads like that, I think it's great.
I don't think I want either of them to win! They are both pieces of shit really.
You feel for Chuck at times and then he goes and does something despicable like exploiting his own son for some good press (the baseball scene).
I don't think I want either of them to win! They are both pieces of shit really.
You feel for Chuck at times and then he goes and does something despicable like exploiting his own son for some good press (the baseball scene).
I honestly don't remember what bullshit. Just the fact that he bet on the planes or was there more? Because I don't see a problem with that.
Maybe Hank and Walt in BB? Although that never really depicted them as directly fighting each other like this
ah shit double post...sorry
Hmm perhaps, although Hank was never really a lead character in BB in my opinion. Certainly not to the same extent as in Billions.
Good point. I know there was another recently but I just can't remember
No, he lied about being in the tower and leading rescue efforts, because he was actually shorting stocks to make money as as soon as tower 2 was hit. What he did with the stocks isn't really the issue, it's that he lied and had his wife sue the woman who was going to put out the tell all book.
Oh, and at the end of S1 he allowed one of his guys to die 6 months earlier or more than he needed to just for his own gain, and then went to his funeral and talked about how good a man he was.
Vivalaraza
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Chuck hasn't found out about Wendy sleeping with than guy yet has he?
aronnov reborn
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guys, we agreed that Axe is the "villain" in the show
but in therms of Hypocrisy ....
Chuck >>>>> Axe
Chuck is like "i'm the justice, i put bad people in jail according to the law"
but his actions in those 2 seasons said other story
i feel sad for Taylor, she is probably the smarter character right now, but she is so naive
but in therms of Hypocrisy ....
Chuck >>>>> Axe
Chuck is like "i'm the justice, i put bad people in jail according to the law"
but his actions in those 2 seasons said other story
i feel sad for Taylor, she is probably the smarter character right now, but she is so naive
hanspampel
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that is exactly the reason, why he did not go out
to make it not insider trading
when you have the information, but don't take action you benefit from, you're not doing insider trading
only she could be in trouble
no spoiler tags here, tho?
what is wrong with you guys here?
the right answer was just above
but taylor is #3 and a great additon to season 2
To be fair there was almost a whole episode about debating in the Axelrod company wether or not to destroy the town. He himself didn't want to do it and it was only after he asked his wife Lara for advice that he was going to destroy that town. Even tough its morally wrong the town was already destroyed far before Chuck and Axel rode in.
NYR
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haha nice!
So the finale is basically going to play out that
Chuck is swaggering about like he's got Axe dead to rights, but Axe Capital isn't involved in any trading on IceJuice, so there's nothing he can be nailed on.
EXCEPT the trade Wendy did, conveniently asked for right before, I guess, Iceland snapped some pics of her leaving Chuck's office.
Chuck flips out. Axe cries it was a setup. Then twists the knife and blows up their marriage with evidence of Wendy's fling with not-Musk.
Axe wins series 2 after taking all the Ls to this point
EXCEPT the trade Wendy did, conveniently asked for right before, I guess, Iceland snapped some pics of her leaving Chuck's office.
Chuck flips out. Axe cries it was a setup. Then twists the knife and blows up their marriage with evidence of Wendy's fling with not-Musk.
Axe wins series 2 after taking all the Ls to this point
Uh what? What episode did you watch?
Not only did Axe Capital short the stock, Chuck has Axe dead to rights on criminal charges with photos and the dude in prison who made the call. Even if Axe didn't touch the stock, there's evidence of him poisoning the supply.
They are objectively not morally equivalent in any way, no matter how you cut it. You can dislike Chuck's pontification and righteousness or personality all you want, but judging him and Axe by their actions, they're not the same.
Yeah, my bad.
I didn't get the impression Axe was actively trading on it, and figured that's why he and Wags were so mad when they discovered Wendy was in. But I admit I wasn't really following the dialogue when the traders were all crowding around the terminal (figured it was an intra-office bet on a company Axe had said not to trade on), and Mafee's reasoning for doing the trade was that he figured it came from Axelrod.
I also clean forgot they also got the guy at IceJuice to put traces in the supply, just figured they got a bunch of people to do it to themselves.
I also clean forgot they also got the guy at IceJuice to put traces in the supply, just figured they got a bunch of people to do it to themselves.
That's what I get for watching it right before going to sleep.
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