I love how you say this like Jim's Patreon is some sort of shady secret he's hiding.
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Jim Sterling, Laura Kate Dale: Warning to Yooka-Laylee Pre-Orderers
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Can't really do anything at this point as a Backer, I did plan on upgrading to physical but reconsidered after the Casino footage.
I'd primarily be playing on PS4 so it would be a shame if there are performance issues, but also for a game of this style I'm not really planning on putting too much stock in what reviewers think of it anyway.
I'd primarily be playing on PS4 so it would be a shame if there are performance issues, but also for a game of this style I'm not really planning on putting too much stock in what reviewers think of it anyway.
Dick Justice
Banned
TIL that making money means you're a bad guy. The utter fucking stupidity coming from people salty about Jim Sterling, good God.
MrS
Banned
He makes no cash from YT and is literally funded by his fans on Patreon. He has been transparent about this for years. What's your issue with that?
NoMoreTrolls
Banned
In a world where Donald Trump has an active twitter account, this is the stupidest thing I've read in weeks.
I always felt like when people get upset at rich figures are like pop musicians being mad that they are getting ripped off by streaming or piracy or whatever by saying things like "they are already rich it's just greedy now" was a little hypocritical because anyone in their position would be upset that people were using their content for free or whatever.
But this is ridiculous. Like the dude is a full time journalist and you're claiming that making money for it is a crime?
Godzilla's Left Toe
Member
Yup.
What an embarrassing post.
I agree people should be made aware of performance issues, but if comments like this are under embargo it doesn't seem appropriate to make them till the embargo is up so others can freely agree or disagree so those saying this can specify freely what they mean.
rochellepaws
Member
That's an issue for the publisher and shouldn't concern you. The warning should be received as most welcome by the consumer with a pre-order or considering one.
I mean, it's interesting as a) we don't know what exactly is covered by the NDA b) it has been shown at conventions c) has there not been a build kicking about for kickstarter? (forgive me if this is not true)
What exactly about maybe reconsidering pre-orders concerning performance breaks an NDA? We're not talking story or mission structure etc
Having a successful Patreon is bad now? Have you seen what happens to people that try to use a video service that isn't YouTube? Not the best results.
Godzilla's Left Toe
Member
The is a issue that could get him blacklisted by another dev and we will have another "Fuck Konami" by his fans-base.
Mate, you're breaking keyfabe. Mario avatar, stat!
But yeah, fight the good fight for the mega-corporation that wants to dictate what people say about its content.
Jin certainly has his faults, and the sthick is divisive, but people have short memories. Not long along he was slamming Sony about the curation failures in PSN.
ISN'T that a novel idea? Not blindly defending you corp of choice?
Godzilla's Left Toe
Member
Others who are also reviewing the game have asked .
Does getting paid to do your job make you a bad person?
AlexFlame116
Member
Dang.
Well I'm out of this thread then. Wanted to go back to the main topic but nope. Oh well. Have fun guys.
AndrewDean84xX
Banned
Oh man, that's a slippery slope to go down.
I think there overarching point was to look to reviews coming through when the embargo lifts, but yes a great deal of this thread has been a shitshow
LordRaptor
Member
Especially as a defence of Jim Sterling, given how many of his videos literally boil down to "I don't like thing, and these people are fucking subhuman scum to charge money for the thing it was their job to make"
So thats why Sterling gave BOTW a 7, he hated the idea of Nintendo making money off of it? What are you talking about?
LordRaptor
Member
what are YOU talking about? Why are you talking about BOTW?
Because you've shown exemplary lack of bias in Jim Sterling threads
I'm trying to figure out how you are equating Jim Sterling making money from Patreon somehow creates some cognitive dissonance to him railing against preorder culture, shady DLC practices done by publishers or asset flips on Steam? I'm just guessing you are mad he gave BOTW a 7
LordRaptor
Member
I'm 'biased' in that I fundamentally disagree with a number of his stances on a number of issues, sorry, is that not allowed?
He is wrong on a number of issues, regardless of how agressively he asserts his misunderstanding of things involved.
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His shtick is basically hate mongering under the guise of "pro consumerism", and no I really don't give a fuck what Jim Sterling thinks about a lot of things, an arbitrary number he assigned to a game being one of them.
I mean, I'm not the one attributing malicious intent to people who made a game that wasn't very good or who added microtransactions to help pay for the cost of a mega block buster, or trying to rile up moral outrage at people just doing their job when, you know, the reasonable response is to not buy that product, not start a fucking twitter hatetag or go brigading them
Sterlings sentiments about the things I mentioned have been echoed on this site and ones like it for years, if he's guilty of anything, its pandering to the choir. He doesn't really represent some radically different voice from his viewers.
Which people did he assign malicious intent for making a game that wasn't very good? Did he name names? Are you talking about the Steam asset flips? Sue those people made those games with the most pure intentions. Or those poor ol publishers are just trying to put food on the table and clothes on their kids backs. They are in no way trying to exploit their fanbases for extra money. They are completely above reproach and ridicule. Why should anyone call that mess out? Just shut up and maybe the problem goes away, free market and all that.
LordRaptor
Member
I have literally never claimed otherwise.
Jawbreaker
Member
What a dumpster fire. So much fragility.
It does concern me, though, because without specification it's impossible for the end user to know if it relates to an issue of particular concern to them regarding performance. It's not specific enough to be of good use. What is the harm in waiting to share a more detailed disclaimer till embargo breaks so we can know what we're to wary of? If they are of this much concern that Jim and Laura feel they have a duty to let consumers know about it, lest they make more preorders, then why not break the NDA outright and if they can't do so why not wait till the embargo is up which would still give people plenty of time to cancel and refund and that way they'd be able to give specifics from the outset? In this current situation we don't know what the issues were or the context it was played in in terms of which system it was played on, nor if the issues are only performance or also about gameplay, and nobody else can offer specifics either. The warning is definitely welcome, but the murkiness is not ideal.
Sorry, do we know for sure this comment regards performance? I was under the maybe wrong impression that it wasn't clearly about performance or about the gameplay itself separate from that issue. As you indicated we just don't know what does or doesn't break embargo. There's been a Toybox build and a convention build but neither is necessarily representative of the final product.
I don't know that there is anything wrong with either party's decision in that case, but it remains unfortunate IMO that they can say this without specification because all it does it stoke flames, and especially that neither they nor others can clarify this perspective till Tuesday. It's not entirely useful to the consumer when it's this vague.
Your answer is why is there yet another thread about one journalist's opinion?
If Yooka Layle has shit framerate issues then everyone will be writing about it when the review embargo lifts. But by commenting on it early Jim becomes the story.
This thread very quickly turned into garbage. I feel like Jim broke a subset of Neogaf which resulted in the Carnival of Stupid being brought back.
The tired "why does x get his own thread". It's like i'm in an Angry Joe thread from last year
AzureSkies
Member
The only time I've ever seen someone patreon shame, holy shit.
In your opinion, and the only reason this thread is so large is people berating and trying to character assassinate the subject.
Hydrophobic
Member
I'm so confused. Doesn't Jim frequently mention he's funded by patreon? And the second point is so confusing 'insiting on using the Youtube services'. What is that even supposed to mean? Are you saying he's a hypocrite for using Youtube and not monetizing with Youtube ads?
Boy Wander
Member
I think the long and short of it is that it's unprofessional of Sterling to comment on a game that he's been given access to review but which is under embargo. But then professionalism isn't the first word that springs to mind when you think of him in any case.
RichiRamjag
Member
A lot of people just don't like the guy. You don't gotta pull that Nintendo fan crap because of it. You see this with most youtubers. Angry Joe gets the same hate in threads about him.
BasedKiliK
Member
This is so dumb on so many levels.
DieNgamers
Member
Hey, anyone talking about the game? There are a few new and mostly positive previews out there.
We might wanna get on topic again and not waste our time with fruitless discussions about liking or not liking Jim...
We might wanna get on topic again and not waste our time with fruitless discussions about liking or not liking Jim...
calavera_jo
Neo Member
Loving or hating the guy is irrelevant to Yooka Laylee running well or not.
Talking about Jim himself seems sort of off topic.
If there's performance issues, then it should be said. But saying it the way he did and not saying what platform or without any more clarification hurts the game before it launches.
This thread is officially an asylum.
RichiRamjag
Member
What's that got to do with what I said? All I said was some people may just not like him and that it's common for youtubers. We don't have to point fingers to any specific fanbase because folks like to hate on youtubers.
I'm defending anyone's actions here.