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DieH@rd · Nov 4, 2013

IHaveCandy said:
I did some quick photoshopping to see the difference between 1080p native and 720p upscaled. All I did was take a 1080p picture of Killzone: SF, resize it down to 720p and saved it, then resized that saved 720p file back up to 1080p. This is the difference it made. How indicative is it of real results?

That is not how it works. With resize you have just applied great antialiasing to the 720p image.

alr1ght · Nov 4, 2013

IHaveCandy said:
Ok this time I took a 1080 screenshot of Crysis 2 and a 720p screenshot of Crysis 2 and stretched it to 1080 size. Sorry for the window border. Only way I could get print screen to work.

Pretty much, but they get extra compressed if you upload to imgur. You have the right idea though.

Waldo Lydecker · Nov 4, 2013

difference in resolution is one thing, how about the difference in games?

AstroNut325 · Nov 4, 2013

Waldo Lydecker said:
difference in resolution is one thing, how about the difference in games?

WTF... this can't be right. Some of those PC games have to coming to the Xbone.

Steroyd · Nov 4, 2013

Waldo Lydecker said:
difference in resolution is one thing, how about the difference in games?

http://i.imgur.com/KVX6jb4.jpg[img][/QUOTE]

Indies don't count yo'.

Why? I have no idea.

Muppet of a Man · Nov 4, 2013

Steroyd said:
Indies don't count yo'.

Why? I have no idea.

Hyper Light Drifter.

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gkryhewy · Nov 4, 2013

Marketing pamphlets in every thread now.

Even List Warz have gone paint-by-number

phosphor112 · Nov 4, 2013

Waldo Lydecker said:
difference in resolution is one thing, how about the difference in games?

This isn't exactly the thread for this. Just a heads up. Mods like to keep tech threads tech related, and game threads game related.

Mr.Speedy · Nov 4, 2013

Well, this will be fun.

MMGN: I’ve seen the game on current-gen, as well as next-gen (PS4) consoles. I’ve heard from a few developers about their experiences working on the new hardware, and the general consensus is that, on a broad scale, they’re more similar than what the 360 and PS3 were in the early stages. Is that a sentiment you agree with?

Lars Gustavsson: Even on an extremely high level, I think they have more things in common. It’s much easier to develop and to deliver on five platforms, which is good for us. With Frostbite, being able to work so long on the current generation, it’s allowed us to ensure that the engine, whatever platform we have it on at the end, that it’s able make the most of the platform, so that’s been the good thing of the extended generation. But overall we don’t know what to expect with new hardware, even when we’re working on it. I think we’ve been extremely privileged to have the time to work on this generation, and embrace the possibilities it’s presented. It’s helped the transition.

http://mmgn.com/ps4/articles--battlefield-4-interview-we-wanted-to-push-the

cebri.one · Nov 4, 2013

They have similar arquitecture, not power.

phosphor112 · Nov 4, 2013

What's fun about that? Both are X86 architectures with 8 jaguar cores, the same family AMD GPU and both have 8 gigs of ram. Not to mention similar bluray drives and 500 gb hard drives.

p3tran · Nov 4, 2013

phosphor112 said:
What's fun about that? Both are X86 architectures with 8 jaguar cores, the same family AMD GPU and both have 8 gigs of ram. Not to mention similar bluray drives and 500 gb hard drives.

yes, under this perspective, i am sure that the term "lazy developers" will have more meaning now, as their lives -I think- will be multiple times easier

SwiftDeath · Nov 4, 2013

Mr.Speedy said:
Well, this will be fun.

http://mmgn.com/ps4/articles--battlefield-4-interview-we-wanted-to-push-the

Well duh of course working on both systems will be more similar this time around as they both have the same CPU, both have similar GPUs in design

Obviously ESram is a problem but it pales in complexity to cell

that blurb does little to dicuss actual hardware differences but merely reiterates that the architecture for both is likely the closest it's ever been between competing PS & xbox consoles

phosphor112 · Nov 4, 2013

p3tran said:
yes, under this perspective, i am sure that the term "lazy developers" will have more meaning now, as their lives -I think- will be multiple times easier

Lol, the resolution disparities is already having that phrase thrown around, ahaha.

Metalmurphy · Nov 4, 2013

Mr.Speedy said:
Well, this will be fun.

http://mmgn.com/ps4/articles--battlefield-4-interview-we-wanted-to-push-the

Nothing fun about it, he basically dodges the question.

bigboss370 · Nov 4, 2013

Green Yoshi said:
Interesting interview with Mark Rubin:

And its not just hardware physically, the amount of resources that each system is allowing the game developers to use isn't the same. So from our standpoint thats something that could change, yknow? We might get more resources back at one point. And that could make things change dramatically for the Xbox One, for instance. Its a long complicated road that will take years to develop, and I think at the end well have games looking very similar, usually, on both systems.

Click to expand...

http://www.edge-online.com/news/spo...-next-gen-call-of-dutys-resolution-disparity/

wasn't it mortimer who said Activision was asking MS to use that extra 10% GPU allocated to the OS, and MS said no?

phosphor112 · Nov 4, 2013

bigboss370 said:
wasn't it mortimer who said Activision was asking MS to use that extra 10% GPU allocated to the OS, and MS said no?

Might have been Thuway, but then mort backed it up... I THINK.

HTupolev · Nov 5, 2013

phosphor112 said:
Hell, we KNOW the game is a forward rendered game, simply because it CAN fit in that 32mb eSRAM.

Strictly speaking, that's not true. Some slim G-buffer formats can fit 1080p into 32MB, with a little breathing room. I'm not talking abstract theoretical stuff, either; some deferred stuff that exists on the 360 was specifically design to fit near-720p into the 10MB. Like Halo: Reach.

That said, given how Forza 5 is shaded, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if it were done forward.

phosphor112 said:
Yep, if people want to use 1 source image, they need to scale down to 720p then scale back up using "Nearest Neighbor" NOT bicubic sampling.

Actually, you'd probably get a more accurate approximation by scaling down using nearest neighbor, and then scaling back up using a "smoother" technique like bicubic. Nearest neighboring down would be similar to taking raw "pixel center" samples, and then the scale up would apply the usual smudging. Whereas supersampling down and nearest-neighboring up would just give you a blocky and blown-up version of a supersampled 720p image, which is bizarre and not at all what the final image will be.

Neither approach is going to give exact results, though.

Amused · Nov 6, 2013

Time is reporting on this topic:

techland.time.com/2013/11/06/xbox-one-resolution-brouhaha-when-graphics-matter-and-when-they-dont/:

With the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One, we seem to be time-warping backwards, regressing to rote bickering over rumor and innuendo. The lazy story that emerged mid-September about the PS4 being 50% faster than Xbox One, sourcing anonymous developers from who-knows-where, was nebulous link bait, crafted to grab the attention of partisan gamers and professional trolls. They emerged, dutifully, to graffiti up the place and wag the conversation off a cliff. You cant have a meaningful conversation about a contextually incomprehensible abstract percentile.

This more recent controversy involving Call of Duty: Ghosts, by contrast, involves a thoughtful visual analysis by a respected game site, as well as tweets from official studio reps. The informational difference is stark: Here, at last, are metrics to dig into.

Ill summarize: Activisions Call of Duty: Ghosts for the Xbox One renders natively at 720p, whereas it renders natively at 1080p on the PlayStation 4. Assuming you have a 1080p-native television, thats a difference worth talking about. The Xbox One version upscales to 1080p, of course, and Infinity Ward claims the visual differences between the versions running on 1080p TVs are all but indiscernible, but Eurogamers Digital Foundry effectively says thats too dismissive that there are differences, and in some cases those differences are substantial.

SwiftDeath · Nov 6, 2013

Amused said:
Time is reporting on this topic:

techland.time.com/2013/11/06/xbox-one-resolution-brouhaha-when-graphics-matter-and-when-they-dont/:

Wow somehow that is a terrible article and yet still is the best coverage that the difference in COD is likely substantial

Why is it so hard for people to understand the specs on paper weigh far more heavily this gen than any other considering how similar the architecture is?

The power difference between the PS4 and XB1 is not based on rumor but on hard specs substantiated by various sources

Oh and Matt Peckham, you're silly if you don't think people would've preferred Xenoblade Chronicles at a higher resolution. There is no downside to a higher resolution unless it sacrifices another area of graphics and going by the BF4 comparison the PS4 is not

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