Bobby Roberts
Banned
There's three then.
Luke, Leia, Ben.
That's a lot.
Two good, one bad.
ECHOES!
RHYMING.
Now if only there was a Kenobi in the mix to oppose the bad Skywalker.
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The Last Jedi is the cover of EW's Fall Movie Preview (light spoilers)
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There's three then.
Luke, Leia, Ben.
That's a lot.
Two good, one bad.
ECHOES!
RHYMING.
Now if only there was a Kenobi in the mix to oppose the bad Skywalker.
do it
Uh he told her later on STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM ME AND MY FRIENDS
Chained Prometheus
Member
A line which is directly about Leia's relationship with Poe.
I'm perfectly fine if Rey's not Luke's daughter, but be wary of reading too deeply into one line and then ignoring other information in order to satisfy your hopes for something. You'll be that much more pissed in the theaters come December if it does turn out Rey is Luke's daughter.
It could. Could also just mean that much like how Luke ends up passing on the torch to his daughter, Leia is handing off her legacy and duties to her surrogate son Poe.
Luke playin' hard to get duh
Bobby Roberts
Banned
You have my axe, Griff.
edit: I'm not gonna be pissed at all if the movie refutes my speculation, because it's just speculation. I'm not actually writing the story, so as long as the story that is given to me is satisfying, I'll happily throw my guesses into the nearest fuckin' fire.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
The only expectation you should have when seeing this is that you're about to be mindfucked.
I'm not trying to satisfy my hopes, I'm trying to get people not to rely so strongly on their hopes. People are getting so certain about their theories that they are setting themselves up for disappointment when not all of that theory pans out, and they're all busy getting heated about why their theory is right and there's no way some other theory could be right because x y and z and meanwhile some of us are over here going
It would be kind of a funny parallel to Leia if he does end up with Aphra since they'll both be with lawbreakers-with-a-heart-of-gold a decade older than them.
I still think she'll end up with Sana in the end though.
Doctoglethorpe
Member
Mara Jade is her mom, ran off with her when she was a baby/still pregnant because she didn't want her to be raised a Jedi. Or something like that. Hence, Han thinks it might be her and Leia feels it in the force, so they treat her well, but they don't tell her because that's Luke's job if they ever even find him. Very first line in TFA: "Hello, my daughter." "Yeeeeeaaaah!!!"
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
Eh, I don't expect it to be that crazy.
Chained Prometheus
Member
I'm not trying to satisfy my hopes, I'm trying to get people not to rely so strongly on their hopes. People are getting so certain about their theories that they are setting themselves up for disappointment when not all of that theory pans out, and they're all busy getting heated about why their theory is right and there's no way some other theory could be right because x y and z and meanwhile some of us are over here going
That's literally exactly what I'm trying to say too. lol The same problem is occurring for fans who support the "Rey Random"/"Rey Kenobi" theories.
Do I personally think Rey is most likely Luke's daughter? Yeah, but I don't really care. I think there's absolutely merit to be had if she's unrelated or a Kenobi too. I don't buy into the nuttier theories like her being Han and Leia's long lost daughter or her being a Palpatine at this point because those seem either too convoluted and against the narrative already built up, but if somehow that happens, I'm cool with it so long as it works.
Which I trust will be the case, seeing as how this is being done by Rian Johnson.
I'm really curious how Johnson is going to pack all these threads into a two hour movie. I read all this ET stuff and it sounds more like a season of television than a single film. Luke and Rey on Ahch To, Finn and Rose on Canto Bight, Poe and Leia with the Resistance, and we haven't even gotten to Kylo Ren! There's a lot going in Episode VIII.
Cool, we agree on that sentiment.
I brought it up cause on the last page, people still seemed to be hammering on that thing Kathy Kennedy said about the saga films being about the Skywalker family, and taking that statement so literally as evidence that Rey must be a Skywalker for that to remain true. And then here in this marketing puff piece we have quotes blatantly saying that family goes beyond blood relations. My whole intent is pretty much, keep an open mind and enjoy the ride.
FlaygletheBagel
Banned
I would prefer if Rey was just the daughter of some older students of Luke's, or she wasn't related to anyone important, and just carries on the Skywalker legacy through her "adoption" by Luke. And if Rey ends up being a break from the flawed traditional Jedi Order of before, it would make sense if she was also a break from the Skywalkers too. And this actually seems more plausible to me, considering JJ's "Rey's parents aren't in Episode 7" comment awhile back, Maz's line in TFA, "The belonging you seek is not behind you... it is ahead," and the aforementioned quotes in this EW coverage.
Plus Luke as Rey's father is the most obvious, unsurprising guess from literally anyone who saw TFA. I would hope they'd have something a little more interesting than that.
Plus Luke as Rey's father is the most obvious, unsurprising guess from literally anyone who saw TFA. I would hope they'd have something a little more interesting than that.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
You know how many threads he tied up and left dangling (and then introduced) in 42 minutes of "Ozymandias" though?
He's got this.
What did he mean by this?
Member
Didnt some GAF member write Rogue One? Bobby Roberts I think
Lets just ask him who Rey's parents are
Lets just ask him who Rey's parents are
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I already told you, she's related to Ben Kenobi somehow.
I still have yet to hear a decent explanation for WHY Rey should be a Kenobi. What exactly does it add? If she's not a Skywalker, no matter how I imagine shit, I can't understand why Rey wouldn't be a nobody if she's not Luke's.
And a theory that actually explains how it would be implemented into the story.
I seriously doubt JJ thought "I KNOW. Let's break the powerful and important lineage trope. YOU KNOW WHAT? THEN LET'S PUT HER INTO ANOTHER WELL ESTABLISHED LINEAGE!"
In fact.. her being a Kenobi seems to contradict his idea that ANYONE can be a super powerful and important force user.
Not to say it cannot be done, of course.
But let's fucking hear it
And a theory that actually explains how it would be implemented into the story.
I seriously doubt JJ thought "I KNOW. Let's break the powerful and important lineage trope. YOU KNOW WHAT? THEN LET'S PUT HER INTO ANOTHER WELL ESTABLISHED LINEAGE!"
In fact.. her being a Kenobi seems to contradict his idea that ANYONE can be a super powerful and important force user.
Not to say it cannot be done, of course.
But let's fucking hear it
NealMcCauley
Member
Maybe Kenobi and Padme's sister hooked up, so Rey and Luke/Leia are cousins.
Luuke lives on!
Thematically, it fits better with George's idea of rhyming and repeating better than Rey being a Skywalker.
For story purposes, it obliges Luke to train her. I could also see her Kenobi lineage rankling Ben - he has Kenobi's namesake, but she has his blood. And she's got Vader's sweet lightsaber. She's taken everything Ben believes is owed to him.
I still think it's a longshot. The only reason I'm still onboard with the Skywalker theory is because every single casual viewer I watched TFA with immediately turned around and said, "That's Luke's kid, right?" All I could do is shrug. Yeah. She probably is.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
You've been told plenty of times before and you just don't like it. It's fine.
Doctoglethorpe
Member
I wish it was a season long. I dunno if there's anything more on this earth I want more than a prestige star wars tv series. Not a corny CW one, something like HBO, Netflix or at least AMC. WHY ISNT IT REAL YET?
It might fit well in specific ways, but it sure doesn't fit with what JJ was saying about anyone potentially being a hero. And it seems like he wants to break the lineage cycle. And I personally don't like the idea of abandoning one lineage for another well known one. Doesn't sit right with me. At least not yet
Bobs, I don't like it, you're right, but I'm OPEN to being won over. Hence me asking for a thorough explanation; if I didn't think it were even possible or that it's completely stupid I wouldn't waste my time. Do you have one or have written one? I know you've tossed a lot of ideas around but I'd like to see the big picture.
No need for the sour response
JonnyDBrit
Member
The article sort of clarifies, sort of further confuses the wider situation for the setting post-TFA:
I mean, I wasn't expecting the Resistance specifically to suddenly take charge of everything, but the comments seem to waver between 'Republic is fucked and falling apart' and 'Republic had its head cut off, but body still standing'. Kinda makes me wonder if perhaps my presumptions about the sequence of events should have been reversed - that perhaps the space battle is towards the end of the movie and is the First Order's major push into Republic territory that amps up the threat for the final act. Which would probably make more sense given the Vice Admiral having apparently a role of some actual importance, which further would make more sense if the film had time to build her up. Plus, the Resistance being isolated at the start doesn't much sound like a group that would begin with a fleet, rather than pick one up over the course of the movie.
I mean, I wasn't expecting the Resistance specifically to suddenly take charge of everything, but the comments seem to waver between 'Republic is fucked and falling apart' and 'Republic had its head cut off, but body still standing'. Kinda makes me wonder if perhaps my presumptions about the sequence of events should have been reversed - that perhaps the space battle is towards the end of the movie and is the First Order's major push into Republic territory that amps up the threat for the final act. Which would probably make more sense given the Vice Admiral having apparently a role of some actual importance, which further would make more sense if the film had time to build her up. Plus, the Resistance being isolated at the start doesn't much sound like a group that would begin with a fleet, rather than pick one up over the course of the movie.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Maybe this is what Finn and Rose are up to - recruiting ships and manpower from the underworld.
I'm pretty sure Del Toro's character is 1. A scumbag and 2. Rich as fuck. He also probably knew Han Solo, since every criminal in Star Wars apparently did. So Finn/Rose leverage Resistance resources + Solo's street cred to get ships.
JonnyDBrit
Member
That might be. Plus, an obvious element to go with a rivalry against a Vice Admiral - someone with formal military rank (unlike Leia who technically isn't part of the Republican military, despite her title) and a presumable fleet at her backing - would be the desire to push for a counterattack as a sign of strength, while Leia - seeing the bigger picture, as she's supposedly wanting to teach Poe - wants the odds as stacked in their favour as possible, given what little they have, or some other excuse to delay such an attack and send the others on a mission. This would also set up a clear ticking clock for the final act to place pressure on the good guys; trying to get everything finished and sorted out because the VA has decided she's pushing the attack.
Edit: Thinking on it, that would also better explain what the hell Poe's meant to be up to for this movie. If the attack is early, he seemingly has nothing to do but wait around for the rest of plot until Finn and Rose pull off their plan. But if he's potentially caught between Leia and the Vice Admiral, getting his fighters ready for the battle, etc, then that's at least a plotline for him to follow that the trailers thus far otherwise haven't indicated at all.
I think Holdo is probably from one of the few surviving parts of the Republic fleet (most of it was destroyed because the fleet was docked at Hosnian Prime during peace time) and shows up to save the Resistance fleet when it evacuates DQar. My assumption would be that there's tension between her and Leia over who should be in command after that.
Cross-Section
Member
This rings the most true to me and would explain why the Resistance suddenly has a "Vice Admiral" who hasn't been mentioned or seen in other media.
edit: Some DJ-etails:
JonnyDBrit
Member
Agreed. It would also work to somewhat set up audience expectation against Leia, oddly enough, if our first sight of Holdo's fleet is it saving the day. Because we would have some idea that yes, they can win against the First Order, so maybe Leia's just worrying too much while there's a galaxy out there that needs something to rally around? Which would then feed into this whole idea of Poe needing to see the bigger picture beyond individual skirmishes, since Leia would have to convince the audience to do the same.
Chained Prometheus
Member
EW just released the next article, which is on Benecio Del Toro's character, "DJ."
And, uh, guys- Here's the hook for tomorrow's article at EW...
And, uh, guys- Here's the hook for tomorrow's article at EW...
WadiumArcadium
Member
Ah, he's a slicer.
My guess is Finn and Rose break him out of somewhere to help them access something. Sounds like he'll double cross them.
My guess is Finn and Rose break him out of somewhere to help them access something. Sounds like he'll double cross them.
Watch him mention that it's not gonna be fully revealed until IX.
Chained Prometheus
Member
You know how I've been saying I completely trust Rian Johnson to pull off whatever the hell is going on with Rey's lineage? I completely stand by that.
However I don't trust Colin Trevorrow with that task at all.
JonnyDBrit
Member
Now this is interesting, combined with the brief bit of Finn and Rose in Imperial uniform. Question is, are they trying to access information, or a location?
Impossible man.
Didn't we get that in Rogue One?
Meanwhile, I'm sitting here still wondering where the rest of the Knights of Ren are.
Kind of, but that was the equivalent of kicking down the front door and saying "we're stealing from you."
Kind of, but that was the equivalent of kicking down the front door and saying "we're stealing from you."
I think that was the original pitch, but what we got is much more of a war film. Jinn and Cassian's brief episode undercover felt closer to Han and Luke on the Death Star than a bonafide bank robbery.
Cross-Section
Member
Maybe Ben's the "Master" of the Knights of Ren because they all dead
this entire analogy is so beautiful I might hang it up on a wall or some shit
WadiumArcadium
Member
The location of the First Order's headquarters perhaps?
They're Snoke's guards. That's my probably incorrect theory anyway.
