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Nickelodeon Suspends Chris Savino (Creator of The Loud House)
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Lmao really?
Sweeney Tom
Banned
Thank you
Bounceounce
Member
Taking 10 minutes at max out of my day to attack reasoning leading to people surely calling a man a child rapist is weird.
Got it.
Not the "some say" and other nonsense in the tweet thread.
Edit:
My post isn't about defending Dan because he's Dan, I don't care about Dan, I've heard of this for years and even read up on it, talked about it with people, if it's true lets hope the victims find justice.
But it's had no legs and until it has legs let's chill out on calling him Jimmy Savile.
As weird as dragging some dude's name through the mud based on what, a 4chan post and some breathless tweets?
Poor GRIMES
Banned
At the least Dan Schneider is a creep that likes to fetishize young women's bodies, as evidenced by the shows that he partakes in directing and writing:
https://twitter.com/soberloren/stat...io/iframe/twitter.min.html#909176761325375488
We'll know soon enough how much dirt this man has considering the onslaught of exposés in Hollywood. I wouldn't be surprised if Schneider is culpable in victimizing young women either.
Bounceounce
Member
It's a teen show, sex in some ways will be addressed, there's nothing intrinsically insidious about it.
Showing midriff with Arriana Grande getting sprayed by water is nothing out of this world.
Is Drake and Josh suddenly compromised because they had an episode that talked about people being good kissers based on how they can tie a cherry stem with their tongue?
High school musical directors must be Dan-tier because of "sexual tension" between Sharpe and Ryan and gay subtext betaeen Corbin Blue's chatacter and Ryan in "I Don't Dance."
Raven Symone shook her breasts in an episode of That's So Raven as I've seen through gifs posted, so maybe the director was up to something with her?
Spongebob had hidden sex jokes too, they must-have been infecting my young child brain.
By all means protect children who work in the industry, but this just seems puritanical.
Edit: the stuff I find creepy from Dan are more his pictures like the Michele Obama one
Compsiox
Banned
Wooooooooooooww. No wonder the show was worse after the first season. It's for the better but damn. It could have been so good.
...excuse me
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
Dan Schneider's shows have a bunch of weird creepy shit going on and all but one of those shows mostly star young women. Just keep that in mind.
Poor GRIMES
Banned
You can absolutely write about children's sexual enlightenment without framing it as explicitly sexual or titillating. None of your examples are as egregious as a prepubescent Ariana Grande groping a potato begging for the "juice" to come out, putting her feet in her mouth on her bed as she squirms, and seductively pouring water on her torso/neck with the camera framing her as a sexualized object.
I agree that the pictures of Schneider are particularly damning as well. Keep in mind however, if you couple those photos with the instances in that Twitter thread, then you can most likely see a pattern that hints towards predatory behavior.
Gaius Cassius
Member
Are we sure this isn't a discussion on Episode 8 and 9 of Mindhunter?
Riposte
Member
Is the disney show with a talking dog also Schneider? I remember watching an episode of that with my sister (who seemed completely unaware of the weirdness here) and there was a scene where, to lure the depressed talking dog out from under her bed, the pre-teen main character takes off her shoes and spreads peanut butter on her feet and tells him he can come lick it. Maybe one of the weirdest things I've seen on television, let alone a children's program. Up until then I thought Schneider was just an internet meme.
Shadow Puppetry
Member
This derailing to Schneider, yeesh. Bummer if it's true about Chris. I couldn't get into this show but enjoyed Kick Buttowski.
Bounceounce
Member
No Dan is all Nick.
Drake and Josh, Zeoey 101, i Carly, Victorious, etc etc.
ChubbyHuggs
Member
I've been wondering about this since everyone is coming out of the woodwork.
Riposte
Member
NHarmonic.
Member
The internet was a mistake.
SoulUnison
Banned
Wait, he's still there?
I always assumed the only reason he wasn't made a bigger deal of was because he was semi-retired, or something.
(I haven't watched Nick in, like... Oh, wow. Like 15 years.)
Do we really need to spoiler cap this?
MisterGrey3000
Member
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I mean I ain't gonna condem the man solely on the word of the fuckin' glorified blog that is cartoonbrew, but if this turns out to be true it's a real god damn bummer .
I love The Loud House and I really admire Chris Savino (who seems very nice, and quite shy).
He clearly worked hard to become a showrunner, and has used all of his past experience as an industry veteran to create a brilliant and inclusive (10 distinct main female characters, gay dads, gay interracial couple, bisexual girl, etc.) little slice of life comedy cartoon.
The idea that he could be an abusive creep is absolutely heartbreaking.
Please...don't be true.
I mean I ain't gonna condem the man solely on the word of the fuckin' glorified blog that is cartoonbrew, but if this turns out to be true it's a real god damn bummer .
I love The Loud House and I really admire Chris Savino (who seems very nice, and quite shy).
He clearly worked hard to become a showrunner, and has used all of his past experience as an industry veteran to create a brilliant and inclusive (10 distinct main female characters, gay dads, gay interracial couple, bisexual girl, etc.) little slice of life comedy cartoon.
The idea that he could be an abusive creep is absolutely heartbreaking.
Please...don't be true.
Hyperfludd
Member
Yeah, this would break my heart. Reading that headline was surprising.
Yeah god dam.
Diprosalic
Banned
yeah add me to the list of people that suspected someone else...
don't know this guy, good for nick and the women.
don't know this guy, good for nick and the women.
alfredofroylan
Member
From Anne Walker's twitter.
https://twitter.com/lemurmcfemur/status/900200317035454465
https://twitter.com/lemurmcfemur/status/920467859737735168
Yeah, but calling some guy you don't know a pedophile because of an internet meme is cool.
I find it funny that of all the people in this thread you felt the need to call out one of the only ones who was not being a total shithead.
meltingparappa
Member
For the uninitiated, Amid is a garbage journalist who will weave the most sensational headline possible from one single comment in a forum, then defend his wild imagination when called out by the commenter themselves, by saying they shouldn't have put it in a public forum. He is part of a short list of gawker-esque bloggers whose attempt at sanctimonious journalism make both benign and sensitive situations objectively worse for all parties involved. He also has the gall to put "EXCLUSIVE" for articles collecting people's tweets.
That said, animation is a small niche of the industry and the risk of blacklisting from the handful of studios making tv work is always in the periphery if you had any thoughts about publicly airing dirty laundry to people who can't contextualize.
A safe environment is the single most important bare-minimum request of any employee, and if the class is are true, I hope this situation is immediately called out for what it is.
That said, animation is a small niche of the industry and the risk of blacklisting from the handful of studios making tv work is always in the periphery if you had any thoughts about publicly airing dirty laundry to people who can't contextualize.
A safe environment is the single most important bare-minimum request of any employee, and if the class is are true, I hope this situation is immediately called out for what it is.
Emperor_Uriel
Member
Ouch, hope this isn't what it sounds like. The Loud House isn't perfect, but it does a lot of things right and gets major props for having a huge female cast. Judge the artist, not the art... I guess.
As for Dan Schneider, we should be extremely careful. His behavior and apparent interests are "strange," but that's not really problematic. If it's just the presumed fetish stuff linked above, that's harmless in all but the most extreme scenarios. If the darker rumors about coerced blowjobs, footjobs, and isolating girls for private abuse sessions are true, however, then it crosses the line into sexually explicit behavior and he needs to go down in flames.
Remember though that there's a massive difference between attacking people for odd interests/behavior and attacking them for abusive actions that led to harm/trauma.
As for Dan Schneider, we should be extremely careful. His behavior and apparent interests are "strange," but that's not really problematic. If it's just the presumed fetish stuff linked above, that's harmless in all but the most extreme scenarios. If the darker rumors about coerced blowjobs, footjobs, and isolating girls for private abuse sessions are true, however, then it crosses the line into sexually explicit behavior and he needs to go down in flames.
Remember though that there's a massive difference between attacking people for odd interests/behavior and attacking them for abusive actions that led to harm/trauma.
NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
How did a thread about Chris Savino turn into a thread about Dan Schneider?
Guess it's bound to come up in a thread about Nickelodeon weeding out potential creeps.
Bounceounce
Member
That's my fault, because they were the poster I mentioned.
I shouldn't have done that, it was rude.
Even if its "just" the presumed fetish stuff, the age of the people involved skips this right past Tarantino-esque "odd interest" territory and the tweet asking fans to show their feet becomes a direct mirror of a technique youtube predators use to trick kids into making videos about their niche fetishes
EDIT- Just to be clear Im not saying its bad to be cautious about rumors, just the apparent stance of "Well if it is true, its still okay unless he did the absolute worst stuff possible" this post takes
^This
Im friends with 4 members of the cast of Victorious, and theyve always had nothing but good things to say about Dan. I understand that if anything like that had been happening behind the scenes, it might be sensitive stuff that theyre not going to be open about. And if stuff like that had been happening, at least on that show, I wouldnt expect the cast to be so vocal about wanting Nickelodeon to let them come back for a reunion. I could understand the cast wanting to do it if they havent really been finding work since the show, but one of the more recent calls to action came from Ariana Grande on Twitter, directly to Dan and Nickelodeon, expressing a desire to do some sort of finale for the show, to which all of the main cast responded and threw their support into. I know its a public platform and who knows what they all think about that behind closed doors, but even the cast I talk to offline are all invested in this possibility. I wouldnt expect this kind of vocal support if anyone was being abused or made uncomfortable on set, especially by Dan, since many of them have expressed interest in working with him again.
With the last few weeks in this industry, I certainly am not going to defend the guy and claim hes 100% innocent, because in truth I have no idea. But I do feel like its entirely possible people could be casting doubt and suspicion his way when there really isnt anything concrete enough at this time, publicly, to brand this guy with any of the terms being thrown his way. I certainly hope none of those suspicions ever end up being true, not for his sake but for my friends and any other young actors and actresses who could potentially be affected.
That being said, as far as Chris goes, I didnt realize he had such a history following him from production to production. I remember with Clarence, I saw a bunch of accusations coming out months leading up to anything happening, I hadnt even heard anything related to this until his suspension, so it definitely came as a surprise. I hope with all the harassment and abuse being called out lately, that itll start happening less often, because its truly terrifying how prevalent it is, and is being proven to be.
Aaron Strife
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Yeah. Im a little iffy on the Dan Schneider stuff because he clearly indulges in weird fetish shit, but other than that we have really saucy rumors and the fact that he has the perfect face for a child molestors mugshot.
It wouldnt entirely surprise me if he was guilty of something, but until someone actually comes out and accuses him of said something, its hard to say definitively that hes a pedophile and sexual abuser. Thats a very serious accusation, and until a victim actually makes it Im not ready to make it myself.
Lol pretty much perfectly what I was trying to say about it, but much much more concisely and eloquently, thank you!
Not sure if serious given people defended Saville using this exact same logic.
Emperor_Uriel
Member
As a parent myself, I'm not going to worry about "obscure niche fetishes" in a world where 99% of abuse follows typical sexual interests. My daughter has posted lots of videos on Youtube with her friends, including all manner of requested "challenges." I used to check each one to make sure nothing explicit was contained within, but now I trust her to monitor herself. I'm sure somebody could find some of what she's posted arousing, "Rule 34" and such, but I've discussed that with her and she isn't bothered. And if she isn't, I'm not.
At some point, we need to focus in and say "go after the people that cause harm and trauma." Otherwise, every clothing magazine featuring kids, every TV show with kids at the beach, any piece of media at all featuring children becomes a target.
Do that, and you lose sight of the people molesting kids, raping them, creating CP, exposing themselves to them, etc... in favor of nabbing the guy who gets off on videos of kids licking their elbows or whatever. That dude's not going to ruin my daughter's life.
TheGreatDirector
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Has the Chris Savino accusations been backed by any other source? When I checked yesterday I didn't see anything.
I saw that twitter thread the other day and I couldn't believe he uses child actors to play out his weird foot fetishes. And what is up with asking the audience to send them photos of their feet?
NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
Has there been any sort of accusations against this Dan Schneider guy doing unscrupulous things or is just an internet meme at this point?
Emperor_Uriel
Member
Internet meme/rumors. The biggest one is that he's the father of Jamie Lynn Spears' child and coerced child stars into giving him BJs.
Awful if true, but there's been zero substantiation.
For what it is worth Deadline (which is a credible industry site) has also reported on the allegations, now it uses Cartoon Brew as the basis but they probably would have done a minimum of their own research before repeating the story.
Variety is reporting it too. I'm at the point at which I think I can safely say fuck Chris Savino.
http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/lou...avino-suspended-sexual-harassment-1202593429/
That was a /tv/ hoax.
Seems to be a meme
I will be fair and say he adds "subtle" sexual jokes and apparently some weird fetish which add fuel but seems to be just rumors otherwise