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Hypron · Oct 22, 2016

Artorias is the best one IMHO. Every single boss is amazing, the areas after Artorias are very good and the first area is all right I guess.

Old hunters has great bosses too but I wasn't too fond of the areas (apart from the visuals, that seaside village was eery as hell, very well done), a lot of the normal enemies weren't that fun to fight. I loved the challenge in NG++ though, that was by far the hardest content in the series.

The dark souls 2 DLCs have their ups and down. Most bosses are good to great, but some of the areas are tedious (crown of the iron king, almost all co-op areas) because either the enemies aren't that interesting or you've got too many of them.

DrD · Oct 22, 2016

This thread reminded me that I really need to play Bloodborne. Wish the GOTY edition was available here at retail so I don't have to buy The Old Hunters separately.

IrishNinja · Oct 22, 2016

mcz117chief said:
I believe that Ivory King salvaged most of the stuff that was supposed to be there. At the very least the theme is identical.

ah, for real? i gotta get around to that one then, cheers!

DrD said:
This thread reminded me that I really need to play Bloodborne. Wish the GOTY edition was available here at retail so I don't have to buy The Old Hunters separately.

see i was thinking this too, but ive got the LE & don't wanna let it go anyway!

Disxo · Oct 22, 2016

1-Artorias of the abyss.
2-The old hunters
ANd thats it for me
Too poor for Ds3 :l

NurseRedHeart · Oct 22, 2016

Nags said:
The Old Hunters. Some of the best payoff from defeating those bosses too.

Definitely the most satisfying DLC

jb1234 · Oct 22, 2016

I enjoyed The Old Hunters the most. Artorias is pretty good. I was disappointed by DS2's DLC, which had good level design but was unnecessarily difficult to the point of not being fun.

Melkezadek · Oct 22, 2016

The Old Hunters DLC is some of the content in the series. I wish I could relive the first time I fought Ludwig. Chills.

Kevin Shields · Oct 22, 2016

Disxo said:
1-Artorias of the abyss.
2-The old hunters
ANd thats it for me
Too poor for Ds3 :l

I wonderful if people don't like DS3 DLC if we will be seeing Scholar vs. DS3 threads for awhile. I for one think that will be a pretty interesting discussion once all is said and done.

wamberz1 · Oct 22, 2016

spliced said:
Crown of the Old Iron King.

The aesthetics are beautiful.
The level design is amazing.
All the secrets and surprises are really cool.
The bosses are maybe the 1st and 2nd best of all the DLC bosses.

Crown of the Sunken King is a close second.

kagamin said:
My man, we're in the minority here tho lol.

I've found my people lol

though I would day ivory king is better than sunken

DaciaJC · Oct 22, 2016

pa22word said:
1. Ivory King did it better, so "unlike anything in the series" is a little beyond the pale.

2. I never had the chance to notice the music because the fight is like a minute long. It's a mediocre at best boss because his health bar is so pathetic you can just stand there and tank him out. It was such an easy fight I was legit shocked that it wasn't a faux boss and the game didn't start spawning them as regular enemies later on.

1. Ah, you're right, I suppose Ivory King did pioneer the idea, but I disagree that it did it better. That moshpit was more tedious than anything. For me, the more subtle entrance of the rogue Abyss Watcher was much more impactful, in part because it was rather unexpected.

2. Pretty much like Lady Maria, then? That describes my experience fighting her for the first time nearly to a T.

III-V · Oct 22, 2016

Cheat Code said:
The Old Hunters
Artorias of the Abyss
Old Iron King
Ivory King
Sunken King

Correct

benjammin · Oct 22, 2016

Old Hunters is the best, but Artorias is my favorite. The boss battles are so epic, I genuinely can't pick a favorite.

JerkShep · Oct 22, 2016

The Old Hunters

Artorias of the Abyss as the runner up.

I'm very fond of Iron King DLC though. Brume Tower is probably my favorite area in DaS2 and Raime my favorite boss as well. Reactivating the Tower with flames and unlocking a lot of new passages was a great moment. Alonne boss fight is good as well but the area preceding it is dreadful. Coop area is bad, but that's nothing new.

Sunken King starts REALLY strong but the Sanctum was really disappointing. I'm not very fond of the boss fight as well: Elana is whatever and Sihn is too similar to Kalameet.

Ivory King has some great moments but the structure, while clever, never did much for me.

what-ok · Oct 22, 2016

Old Hunters, you Vile bloods.

Banana Aeon · Oct 22, 2016

Still have no answers on what makes Artorias of the Abyss so great.

The level design is horrendous and bland. Outside of the two great and one good boss, what's so great about it?

Ratrat · Oct 22, 2016

Banana Aeon said:
Still have no answers on what makes Artorias of the Abyss so great.

The level design is horrendous and bland. Outside of the two great and one good boss, what's so great about it?

I kind of agree with you. But its obvious people liked the story and npcs. Something that felt lacking in the other dlcs.

JudgmentJay · Oct 22, 2016

Banana Aeon said:
Still have no answers on what makes Artorias of the Abyss so great.

The level design is horrendous and bland. Outside of the two great and one good boss, what's so great about it?

Artorias, Kalameet, and Manus are all top-tier Soulsborne bosses with Artorias being my 3rd favorite boss in the series behind Lady Maria and Ornstein & Smough. Sanctuary Guardian is good as well.

The lore payoff in the DLC is very satisfying. Getting to go to Oolacile and interact with 3 knights of Gwyn after hearing so much about them in the main game was cool. Seeing Artorias' tragic end and seeing the different cutscene with Sif afterwards was heart-breaking. Marvellous Chester is also a great NPC.

Saying the level design is horrendous is a gross exaggeration. Royal Woods isn't great but Oolacile is fantastic. Lots of narrow twisting pathways and interlocking level design with a good shortcut. In my opinion it's the 3rd best area in Dark Souls 1 behind Anor Londo and Sen's Fortress.

The DLC is also dripping with atmosphere thanks in no small part to the fantastic sound design. The gentle rustling of the trees and the low rumble of the Abyss in the Royal Wood, the distant screams in Oolacile, even the hum of the elevators and the chiming of the little lamps throughout the area. I love it.

I generally move pretty fast through Dark Souls 1 since I've done something like 20 playthroughs, but when it comes to the DLC I always take my time and really enjoy the atmosphere. It's a great place to co-op and PvP as well.

That's why I like it anyway.

mcz117chief · Oct 22, 2016

IrishNinja said:
ah, for real? i gotta get around to that one then, cheers!

Watch the original Land of the Giants level from Demon's Souls and then play Ivory King. I am certain the resemblance is intentional.

Psycho_Mantis · Oct 22, 2016

Nags said:
The Old Hunters. Some of the best payoff from defeating those bosses too.

Not even Artorias comes close.

FF Seraphim · Oct 22, 2016

Did someone say Old Hunters? Because its Old Hunters. Ludwig is one of the best bosses I have faced in a game and the musicis subperb

guybrushfreeman · Oct 22, 2016

Old Hunters has Bowblade. I really don't see anything could compete. AotA was great as well but Old Hunters was a constant masterpiece for me. On DSII I actually think it's hard to judge them now. At least for me playing the complete edition I was pretty tired by the time I got to the DLC areas and then, because there are 3 seperate ones each with its own progression, it kind of felt like starting over again and again each time which was tiring so I couldn't really give them a fair go, I'd like to get back to them sometime.

Edit: have I mentioned Bowblade?

Clear · Oct 22, 2016

Cumulatively, 3 Crowns from DS2 is the best as its length makes it practically a game unto itself. Exquisite level design too.

As a singular piece, Old Hunters because it does such an awesome job of amplifying the cosmic horror aspect of Bloodborne.

klier · Oct 22, 2016

Old Hunters is the only DLC I have bought from SoulsBorne.

I did well.

pixxxelz · Oct 22, 2016

I don't think I even need to say it at this point but The Old Hunters.

Screaming Meat · Oct 22, 2016

Nags said:
The Old Hunters. Some of the best payoff from defeating those bosses too.

Yup.

jacksepticeye · Oct 22, 2016

Artorias of the Abyss is some of the beat videogame DLC i've ever played! I was blown away by it when it came out.

Old Hunters is a pretty damn close second! The bosses in that DLC were so much fun. Maria is one of my favourite characters in that game now. So badass

King Gilga · Oct 22, 2016

DS1 DLC.

I don't like bloodborne.

Fbh · Oct 22, 2016

Artorias of the Abyss was great. Cool new areas and bosses. Also Artorias, I love both that fight and that character design, among my favorite ever.

But Old Hunters is just as good. Awesome new areas and some of my favorite bosses from the Soulsborne franchise. Ludwig was incredible and Lady Maria was, somehow, almost better. Oh and the music was also awesome

Either way, the sould franchise has some of the best DLC in the industry.

TatteredHat · Oct 22, 2016

Toss up between Artorias and Old Hunters, they both elevated the base game to new heights.

That Ludwig fight though, man.

CHC · Oct 22, 2016

I would say Old Hunters. While I was playing it I got extremely mad at the fact that

Laurence

was more or less a recycled

Cleric Beast

, but even with that being the case, it was a massive expansion in terms of content and it also added an extremely meaningful new dimension to the lore, answering a lot of questions while raising a few new ones along the way.

Artorias of the Abyss was outstanding as well, I'd put it on a similar level.

AALLx · Oct 23, 2016

The Old Hunters just for being the awesome package that it is, followed by Artorias of the Abyss for being the culmination of everything in Dark Souls 1.

DaSII DLCs are a continuation of DaSII: random shotgun plot that has vaguely any connection to everything else, random mechanics that are thematically disjointed to each other just like how disjointed the base game is. It's a random, whatever-goes, disjointed DLC for a random, whatever-goes, disjointed game.

Belakor · Oct 23, 2016

Well,the Old hunters might be possibly the best standalone DLC,but the Lost Crown trilogy as a whole is the pinnacle of Dark Soul DLCs and most likely will never be topped

Orochinagis · Oct 23, 2016

Well Old Hunters is basically two dlcs merged into one, it have the best boss in the entire game so bar , amazing OST , weird lore and amazing art direction.

The best Souls DLC would be Old Hunters and Artorias of the abyss

GonzoCR · Oct 23, 2016

As a whole, the Crows Trilogy is easily the best. Such an improvement over the base game, easily the best Dark Souls content.

However, as a stand-alone package, Old Hunters is by far the best, Ludwig and Orphan are all-time greats, and I really liked Hunter's Nightmare and Fishing Hamlet (I didn't like Research Hall very much, not because I got lost or anything but because it was full of really annoying enemies in large quantities, which kinda ruins it).

Artorias of the Abyss didn't do much for me, while the bosses are better than anything in the base game, the levels are pretty boring and it mostly just doubled down on what I didn't like about the base game, which is already my least favorite of the Souls games I've played.

Shmuppers · Oct 23, 2016

I can't talk about the Old Hunters without it sounding like fanboy hyperbole.

That's how good it is.

ethomaz · Oct 23, 2016

I did not read the thread but I can say the best is the same for everybody here...

The Old Hunter.

It is just way ahead any other DLC quality wise from From Software that is even unfair to compare with others DLC.

The Old Hunter has better bosses than the main game and that not something to down the main game... the opposite it is because The Old Hunter is that fucking amazing DLC over an already amazing game.

ethomaz · Oct 23, 2016

pa22word said:
So apparently in this thread old hunters is more of the same when half of artorias is a copy paste job from the same game, a quarter demons ruins, and a quarter nito's area.

I mean, okay...

There's nothing to artorias that we didn't see in the main game. If it didn't contain the best three bosses in ds1 no one would really care about it.

Nobody said amything of what you complain the thread... maybe one person.

Still The Old Hunter is sometimes better than original.

That is how good the DLC is.

GwyndolinCinder · Oct 23, 2016

Banana Aeon said:
Still have no answers on what makes Artorias of the Abyss so great.

The level design is horrendous and bland. Outside of the two great and one good boss, what's so great about it?

You have to understand that it was good at the time, it answered big lore questions and connected the entire story, it had the series best bosses.
Alot of bosses that followed have been artorias clones, just like now we are seeing maria clones.

The crowns trilogy was good for its time too, theres nothing really great about any of it, it was just great in comparision to dark souls 2.
AoA doesnt stand out much at all in times, all the ideas have been explored before, and ds3 was already known for being polished but lacking imagination.

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