Nastrodamous
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Eurogamer: "Microsoft's final sales pitch for Xbox One X falls flat"
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Software is the biggest issue for MS this gen.
Back in 2006 when i saw Gears of War the first time i thought " I have to play this game at all cost " . Almost the same reaction with Halo 3. I don't feel the same about Gears 4 and Halo 5 at all. I don't care about them and if you don't care about the games it's over. The hardware is unattractive without great games.
Back in 2006 when i saw Gears of War the first time i thought " I have to play this game at all cost " . Almost the same reaction with Halo 3. I don't feel the same about Gears 4 and Halo 5 at all. I don't care about them and if you don't care about the games it's over. The hardware is unattractive without great games.
MightyHedgehog
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Xbox exclusive software lineup for 2017 is definitely the weakest, least exciting in the brand's history. It'll be probably be fine next year and going forward as delayed titles and unannounced in-development ones hit, but the timing of a first party drought couldn't be worse to coincide with the new hardware roll-out. That said, this will still sell to hardcore users and people with money to burn. I'm not convinced it would change all that much if X1X had the greatest software lineup in video game history as the price is too high to do many long-term sales and most console players picked their platforms well before now. Xbox brand is still in rebuild mode until the next gen wave starts in a few years.
MS already lost the multiplatform war when everyone bought a PS4. If you play online games then you buy a system to play with your friends and your friends are on PS4.
Why anyone would expect anything but old trailers, a Jurassic Park theme park game announcement and an unboxing video from a 90-minute live presentation from the biggest videogame conference in the world after an already lackluster showing at E3 is beyond me.
Give War A Chance
Member
Rough.
But there's really just no reason to have a GamesCom conference so soon after E3. Just not enough time between them.
This is what happens, and even though people know not to get their hopes up, inevitably they do, and feel burned/disappointed.
2 major shows a year really feels like the max, and they need to be spaced apart well. You can drop by other shows, but don't treat them like it's an E3. It just often doesn't go well.
But there's really just no reason to have a GamesCom conference so soon after E3. Just not enough time between them.
This is what happens, and even though people know not to get their hopes up, inevitably they do, and feel burned/disappointed.
2 major shows a year really feels like the max, and they need to be spaced apart well. You can drop by other shows, but don't treat them like it's an E3. It just often doesn't go well.
*unless you bought a pc somewhere in the last 8 years.
I imagine the marketing rights got very expensive for Microsoft after the Xbox One launch or weren't even offered after PS4 ran away in sales and it's possible marketing/spend was cut by Nadella or whoever. They have Shadow of Mordor....
Random Human
They were trying to grab your prize. They work for the mercenary. The masked man.
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Not when it costs 200-300/twice more than the cheapest alternatives that still play most multiplatforms perfectly fine for more casual players who aren't as allergic to imperfect performance/IQ as tech geeks.
I love this quote:
It's true, and I've said before in other threads: Microsoft gave people reasons to turn on their existing Xbox Ones, or maybe also to buy an Xbox One S on the cheap (sans that exorbitant Minecraft LE edition), but the argument to upgrade to a premium, $499 console just isn't there.
Eurogamer said:
It's true, and I've said before in other threads: Microsoft gave people reasons to turn on their existing Xbox Ones, or maybe also to buy an Xbox One S on the cheap (sans that exorbitant Minecraft LE edition), but the argument to upgrade to a premium, $499 console just isn't there.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
That price tag should tell you that MS isn't exactly aiming for the top. It's way too premium to compete in the market. They're purposefully serving a niche hardcore.
I think the problem isn't exclusives but price.
A game being PC/Xbox only wouldn't be a problem if the price of the console wasn't so close to a PC. Couple that with the fact that there are also a lot of PC/PS4 exclusives and then it becomes "why not buy a PC?".
I think the 250 Xbox S is a great value for your money but the X? I mean, if you care that much about graphics I guess I can see it but for a bit more you can get good graphics with tons more games. I don't know, it's in a weird position.
Personally this gen made me want to switch for PC + Switch when my PS4 gets obsolete. This whole "is this game coming to my console?" is tiring and it seems to happen way less on PC.
A game being PC/Xbox only wouldn't be a problem if the price of the console wasn't so close to a PC. Couple that with the fact that there are also a lot of PC/PS4 exclusives and then it becomes "why not buy a PC?".
I think the 250 Xbox S is a great value for your money but the X? I mean, if you care that much about graphics I guess I can see it but for a bit more you can get good graphics with tons more games. I don't know, it's in a weird position.
Personally this gen made me want to switch for PC + Switch when my PS4 gets obsolete. This whole "is this game coming to my console?" is tiring and it seems to happen way less on PC.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Then play it on PC? Microsoft doesn't care how you play their software. They got your money.
ProBusinessgamer
Member
It was not a empty building, what games you want is a personal choice...we didn't say these things when the original Wii outsold its competition, so sales of a system isn't everything. I have a MBA, and make a living analyzing financials...so i am very familiar with quarterly financials and it looks like the Xbox division is doing fine(of course it could be doing better...as every division in every company could) so i really don't understand the "concern".
The Xbox One is tracking better then the Xbox 360, and nobody considered the Xbox 360 a failure, so i really don't understand the narrative from a business point of view, and lastly the most played and highest grossing games on every system are usually multi plat games like Call of Duty, not your last of us, or your uncharted...so exclusives matter, but established games still rake in the most on individual consoles, and of course on a whole.
The Xbox One is tracking better then the Xbox 360, and nobody considered the Xbox 360 a failure, so i really don't understand the narrative from a business point of view, and lastly the most played and highest grossing games on every system are usually multi plat games like Call of Duty, not your last of us, or your uncharted...so exclusives matter, but established games still rake in the most on individual consoles, and of course on a whole.
Duxxy3
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Not having PC versions would make the Xbox 1 a much more necessary device. That goes for all the cross play games. It's nice that there are PC version, but it detracts from Xbox at the same time. People can disregard the system because it really is not necessary if you have a PC. In my opinion, as much as I love play anywhere, it is a mistake. It's something that Sony and Nintendo would NEVER do.
Cuphead looks great but the more gameplay I see, the more it looks kinda dull, but I'd buy it just for the art.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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Same thing was said about the Pro except for the 1st party content and that's fair. Hopefully Microsoft looks into how to fix this moving forward
Dark Cloud
Member
Oh you're serious? I'll ignore you from now on in this topic.
It's fine if you like what they're offering, but their offerings are not immune to criticism when compared to their competitors.
Imo MS is still trying to get away from the TVTVTVT image, the most powerful console for enthusiasts seems to be another step to change their terrible showing pre-launch.
Most people play Multiplats anyway and they do it on console, despite PC versions being available. So not on PS4 is all MS need in terms of exclusives.
Most people play Multiplats anyway and they do it on console, despite PC versions being available. So not on PS4 is all MS need in terms of exclusives.
Zvonimir Boban
Banned
How much overlap is there between people with powerful gaming PCs and people who want a console but haven't bought one this gen?
I don't think the fact that you can get a lot of MS 'exclusives' on PC is that big a deal to a great number of people.
That's because Eurogamer are sensible chaps with impeccable taste and they have a clear Amiga bias like all right-minded folk.
VichoCardenas
Banned
Except the fact that you can find those on PC as well...
Well you know, they're not wrong.
The Xbox One X itself, the message was just as vague and not very satisfying when the Pro was shown. There is nothing wrong with having a slew of great third party titles, but at this point in time, for some people looking into buying something new, they want something that has a clear identity. MS keeps on regurgitating "But it has the most POWAH ever!", but that's just stating facts; the consumer wants more: Sony has exclusives people want. Nintendo's message with Switch and the games it has makes everything clear. MS... who knows?
The Xbox One X itself, the message was just as vague and not very satisfying when the Pro was shown. There is nothing wrong with having a slew of great third party titles, but at this point in time, for some people looking into buying something new, they want something that has a clear identity. MS keeps on regurgitating "But it has the most POWAH ever!", but that's just stating facts; the consumer wants more: Sony has exclusives people want. Nintendo's message with Switch and the games it has makes everything clear. MS... who knows?
The Pet of the Month
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That list of people who bought a PC within the last 8 years isn't very big.
The One X is for the folks who aren't PC enthusiasts and want the best multiplats right now. I doubt it will sell much compared to the One S, which isn't doing so well either.
I am interested to see how well it does this Fall/Winter.
GrantDaNasty
Member
Also, as some have mentioned, if MS brass was willing to take the hit, $399 would make this thing blow up the ps4 pro, but those hopes were shattered at E3 already.
TylerDurden4321
Member
If you're first (or same month) and have the most powerful console, you don't really need exclusives. If you are late and most powerful console, you kinda do need exclusives - and killer ones at that.
On the other hand, let's say MS did have that Zelda or Uncharted killer game. At $500, one game can't be the persuading factor. You'd need like 3 games previewed and a history that tells fans that there are more "you will want this!" -new games to come in the future for that console. Currently MS is Gears and Halo and the numbers for those are down.
On the other hand, let's say MS did have that Zelda or Uncharted killer game. At $500, one game can't be the persuading factor. You'd need like 3 games previewed and a history that tells fans that there are more "you will want this!" -new games to come in the future for that console. Currently MS is Gears and Halo and the numbers for those are down.
seriously,
at this point, I consider the line "if it's to make serious inroads into Sony's considerable lead this generation" nothing more than concern trolling.
Bubba_Sparks
Member
I was thinking something very similar.
I watched a portion of the Major Nelson unboxing video and thought it was corny. The fact that he had those white gloves on was rediculous. I have a $2500+ PC and I don't touch it with white gloves lmao!
Simply talking about it being the, "most powerful gaming console " doesn't mean much without the software to back it up. I'd say Horizon Zero Dawn looks better on my PS4 Slim than anything shown for the Xbox One X.
I watched a portion of the Major Nelson unboxing video and thought it was corny. The fact that he had those white gloves on was rediculous. I have a $2500+ PC and I don't touch it with white gloves lmao!
Simply talking about it being the, "most powerful gaming console " doesn't mean much without the software to back it up. I'd say Horizon Zero Dawn looks better on my PS4 Slim than anything shown for the Xbox One X.
You're right, BC is actually a huge positive for the console.
DAREALGUMMY
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There's nothing on the horizon. That's the problem. It was for me anyways. Once Scalebound was cancelled, I found nothing of interest and sold my Xbox one.
Okami Haundo
Member
One more thing..
Forza Horizon 3 is probably the best arcade racing game in a decade.
Period
They've set the bar...and it's a lofty one.
AusRoachman
Member
Ms are going to struggle with no first party games . All these patches for games I have already played has no appeal to me .
We need NEW first party exclusives , I've already played most these games (or if I haven't because they have no appeal so why would I rebuy a HD version)
Xbox is falling further and further behind and that saddens me because I loved it early on (sunset , rude , recore , quantum ). But they just don't have the original games I want anymore .
We need NEW first party exclusives , I've already played most these games (or if I haven't because they have no appeal so why would I rebuy a HD version)
Xbox is falling further and further behind and that saddens me because I loved it early on (sunset , rude , recore , quantum ). But they just don't have the original games I want anymore .
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
People have been saying this, although a few Xbox fans have downplayed it, as if EA's Pass or shared multiplatform games make a difference.
Personally I can't think of a more boring game to release alongside the system, then yet another Forza.
The Jackdog
Member
Does anyone here really believe this was the final sales pitch?
its the overpowered, niche version of a product that traditionally MS focuses on at home (as opposed to abroad) at a european gaming show.
their pitch for the holiday is "hey if you play a ton of games theres the X and if you dont and you have kids heres a minecraft console cause these little bastards cant get enough of that minecraft shit"
its the overpowered, niche version of a product that traditionally MS focuses on at home (as opposed to abroad) at a european gaming show.
their pitch for the holiday is "hey if you play a ton of games theres the X and if you dont and you have kids heres a minecraft console cause these little bastards cant get enough of that minecraft shit"
Shil Pencer
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At least in America there's nothing to worry about. Anyone watching any NFL game will know that Xbox X is the most powerful console ever and will be the best place to play madden.
Other games are also on PC yet, they sell more on consoles. If someone isn't interested in a pc, than those games being on pc means nothing.
Savantcore
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The fact that you have to go back almost 4 years for your list is telling.
Brutally honest article, but sadly it's true. All I have this year is Cuphead/maybe Ori 2 and everything else is 3rd party. Kinda bummed about it.
Please step up your game MS.
We literally had people accusing Eurogamer of being MS shills during the Xbox One X initial "reveal". Now, that they are being rightfully critical, people are saying "biting hands that feeds them". lol
I said this 4 months ago, but any site, that is actually reliable and has a good track record, is not going to suddenly sell out just because they were honored with an initial "reveal".
Please step up your game MS.
We literally had people accusing Eurogamer of being MS shills during the Xbox One X initial "reveal". Now, that they are being rightfully critical, people are saying "biting hands that feeds them". lol
I said this 4 months ago, but any site, that is actually reliable and has a good track record, is not going to suddenly sell out just because they were honored with an initial "reveal".
Yep. Which brings us back to the article, who is the xbox one x for?
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Sony and Nintendo also don't have the ability to operate within the PC market like Microsoft does. I still don't see it as a bad thing to offer that option.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Just because you don't find Sea of Theives and Crackdown 3, as well as Ori and the Will of the Wisps compelling doesn't mean it's bad.
I didn't like Nioh or Nier Automata. Does that mean the PS4 lineup is garbage and I should sell my PS4?
Nah.
Good Guy Gone Bad
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Eurogamer basically confirming what everyone else is thinking for the most part. Aside from prettier games, what's the selling point? Not so much an issue for the PS4 Pro as the PS4 is selling well as is, but with the XB1 not selling, the XB1X needs more of a hook than it currently has.
GHG
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I'm talking about how the games look. Hence "tour de force".
Despite all of its shortcomings, the order was the showcase title for the PS4 for a while from an audiovisual perspective. Much like Ryse was for the Xbox One. I don't see anything like that for the Xbox One X and it's a great shame considering the hardware on offer. You also get titles like that pop up on the PC every now and then like the Crysis Series, Metro games, etc. Considering what Horizon achieved they should have a title at launch that blows the socks off everything else in existence from a graphical perspective.
So yes, we can mention things like state of decay, cuphead, crackdown etc, etc but none of those titles scream "this needs 6tf to look this good, you must buy an Xbox one X to experience this".
Silent Hill
Banned
I agree.
Fox Mulder
Member
MS has never really been about first party titles beyond the usual Halo and Forza. They leaned on third parties since the first Xbox and the new exclusives they have tried this gen have been failures.
They lost the generation when they designed the xb1 for TV and Kinect and third parties put out better games on the ps4.
I'm still invested for Forza and better looking third party games. I'm just never going to have interest in PC gaming either.
They lost the generation when they designed the xb1 for TV and Kinect and third parties put out better games on the ps4.
I'm still invested for Forza and better looking third party games. I'm just never going to have interest in PC gaming either.