FUCK YEAH, NEW ZANADA!!
But serious good tidings to you, New Zealanders, hope this works out well for you.
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Jacinda Ardern is next prime minister of New Zealand (after 9 years of right wing)
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FUCK YEAH, NEW ZANADA!!
But serious good tidings to you, New Zealanders, hope this works out well for you.
Elaugaufein
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The conversion is probably necessary since social democrats likely sounds to much like Socialist for an American audience but yeah it's odd hearing Labo(u)r and the Greens referred to as liberals (especially to an Australian).
lastplayed
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Labour wants to cut immigration a bit, no one wants to stop it.
Wolf Akela
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I'm surprised they partnered with NZ First. They alignment more with National when it comes to foreign policies and I'm not a fan of NZF either way.
Labour and Green totally mesh though.
Labour and Green totally mesh though.
Elaugaufein
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Its not that surprising, no one will enter into a minority Government until it presents a chance of power when they jump. Australia has had at least one Liberal / Green state government.
Smaller personality based parties are generally pretty sensitive to the direction of the political wind too, as well as what concessions they can extract.
I think you'd be surprised how much all three parties share in common. Even the Green party's policies aren't that much different than New Zealand First (for two parties on supposed opposite ends of the spectrum). National are really the only party campaigning on neo-liberal ideas, which really goes against most of what NZ First promised.
Obama would be considered very far right in most of those countries. The US is pretty messed up politically.
freeofgreed
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Maybe in Italy and Portugal. The rest? Not really....
Elaugaufein
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That's probably overselling it a tad bit don't you think ? I mean the Democrats aren't going to qualify as economically left wing in almost any of those places but they aren't Theocrats, or Dictators .
sixteen-bit
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AuthenticM
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That is great, but let's wait until the vote before celebrating. Never underestimate conservatives to make polls lie.
edit: wait, is it official? This is not speculation?
edit: wait, is it official? This is not speculation?
Quite happy with this result. I mean, I could do without Winston, but I party voted Green and voted Labour for my local MP.
The election was last month haha. We were just waiting for New Zealand First to decide which party to go into a coalition with to form a government (either Greens+Labours or National).
The election was last month haha. We were just waiting for New Zealand First to decide which party to go into a coalition with to form a government (either Greens+Labours or National).
AnkhWeasel
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Ah, y'know. Would that actually be something you'd want to do? And do well, in order to keep your reputation intact? Hell of a lot of work. No time for games and the internet.
No he wouldn't
Pyroclastic
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good luck to her and labor. the left needs a few wins. It's tough running minority governments (as the tories are finding out here, lol) though so I fear the pendulum will swing back straight away in 2020. But she seems to be well liked so hopefully she can win over more people in government.
lastplayed
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Affeinvasion
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Man, I want to move to New Zealand so bad. My wife was a finalist for a professor job at Victoria University but ended up not getting it. Music jobs are hard enough to come by in the US let alone NZ.
whyamihere
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Yeah I almost didn't put it in there, but I felt given Tsai's general politics might as well.
lol no.
lastplayed
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lol stay classy Australia
https://twitter.com/GladysB/status/920907521958621184
https://twitter.com/mbachelard/status/920993507740962816
Didn't expect so much salt from across the Tasman.
https://twitter.com/GladysB/status/920907521958621184
https://twitter.com/mbachelard/status/920993507740962816
Didn't expect so much salt from across the Tasman.
moffattron9000
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No he fucking isn't. Centrist you can have, but far right, fuck no.
Then again, I've seen people with no knowledge of NZ politics unironically say that National is left of the Democrats.
Elaugaufein
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Heh, the Liberal (as in the Australian political party , who are a mix of conservatives and classical liberals) Premier of NSW and the Australian (Murdoch's more respectable mouthpiece). Not surprised at all.
whyamihere
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coalitions, how do they work
Elaugaufein
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In Australia , the Liberals and Nationals are basically a permanent coalition , to the point that only half the states have both parties present these days. The Australian often forgets this (because the Liberals would almost never hold Government otherwise).
....the election was a month ago
kitsunelaine
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I'm gonna rank that as an "It's complicated".
You Are Viewtiful
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TBH, all I know about this coalition is that it was possible because Labour adopted an anti-immigration and protectionist platform.
kitsunelaine
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To say that that's why Winston went with them without knowing the contents of the negotiations is a pretty ignorant claim don't you think? I mean, not to defend Winston because he's an old sod, but I think it's more likely that they went with Labour because National actively tried to undermine NZF's campaign and Winnie holds grudges.
lastplayed
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None of us know the details yet. Winston did seem pretty angry about the state of rampant capitalism though.
That was also the first prime minister. Of course, Britain has also had a stable state for far longer than any of those countries, or really any other extant state, take from that what you will...
LiquidSolid
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Get your facts straight before shouting from the sidelines. Labour isn't anti-immigration, just anti-rampant immigration, something National has used to bolster the economy at the expense of our infrastructure, environment and services. Shit's a mess right now.
Note that while National are in favour of rampant immigration, their support of refugee programs is pathetic.
Labour were also promising to increase the refugee quota.
One thing I remember reading on the Labour policy website is that most immigrants move to Auckland, but there's a bad housing crisis in Auckland. Like, fewer houses are being made than New Zealanders are moving to the city - without even taking immigrants into accounts.
It really depends on your job. If your job is considered in shortage it could be pretty easy.
lucebuce12
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Bit of a dumb question but how do you pronounce Jacinda?
Is it Jah-Sin-Dah or is the J silent, like Hah-Sin-Dah?
First time I'm hearing this name.
Is it Jah-Sin-Dah or is the J silent, like Hah-Sin-Dah?
First time I'm hearing this name.
I would think policies which tackle supply and manage demand by incentevizing migration to other cities than ones which attempt to restrict demand might be more beneficial. I guess there's more severe issues though which are driving people's opinions.
lastplayed
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lucebuce12
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Thanks.
I live in Pakistan, I've never really had much interaction with women from New Zealand.
Wolf Akela
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It's easy if you're considered highly skilled in a field with shortage. I believe they're pegging highly skilled workers as people who can pull 72k annual, among other things.
They tried, albeit lightly. Applicants get bonus points when applying for work outside Auckland. They also tried paying families a couple thousand to move out of Auckland.
The problem is that the jobs are in Auckland. They need to give incentives to start businesses outside of Auckland. A lot of people want to move out because of the housing prices but they won't find jobs elsewhere. I myself wanted to move to Dunedin, but there's like nearly no opportunity for ICT compared to Auckland, Welly or even CHC.
Auckland infrastructure just needs a few years to catch up. The rail is set to finish I think 2019 or 2020 which should encourage public transport.
LiquidSolid
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Yeah, it was on the Greens agenda as well and is absolutely needed, as a number of our Pacific neighbours are already suffering from the effects of global warming. Stuff recently had a really good article on the struggles Kiribati's facing, which we are helping out a little but nowhere near enough (especially given the UK, Aus and NZ's history of strip mining one of their islands).
You don't think they've tried? Auckland's bigger than our next 6 largest cities combined, so there's far more jobs, resources and minority communities there than anywhere else.
Wolf Akela
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Yeah, the country's issues can't really be caused any single factor. You can drop immigraton to 0 but that won't stop speculators flipping houses multiple times in one day.
New Zealand also genuinely needs skilled immigration. I've overseen interviews where local candidates just don't have the skillset we needed.
New Zealand also genuinely needs skilled immigration. I've overseen interviews where local candidates just don't have the skillset we needed.
kitsunelaine
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Yeah, like I said, it's complicated. I wouldn't say Labour is racist, because unlike what's going on with the GOP and in the UK, there are actually reasons behind their policies that aren't "I'm a raging bigot and I hate brown people".
Now that being said. NZ First is very legitimately xenophobic, in a way that CAN'T be justified by that alone. However I am very pleased that he went with Labour, but I think it's a "broken clock" kind of deal.