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Bloodborne/Nioh - am I wasting my money?
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Agree, mostly. Even with the shortcut it was frustrating and tedious to have to work and backtrack before tackling Gascoigne again, especially in a game designed around trial and error. A save point across the bridge would have made sense and encouraged players to retry and learn.
But I can't stand combat in game where the enemies have "invincibility frames" - it's cheap and shit. There's no skill to learning that sort of thing.
BotW also commits this crime, which is even worse as the combat is based around limited resource management, yet it will let the player waste arrows while the boss is doing an invulnerable animation. Thankfully it's bosses are much easier.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
Nioh is a RPG through and through. In Bloodborne, equipment and stats matter less than player's reflex and understanding of enemy patterns/mechanics. However in Nioh, you have to think more about how you build your character, choosing the synergistic stats from your gear and skills in order to prevail, like the Diablo games. That's not to say player's skill and knowledge of mechanics don't matter (they matter a lot still), but you have to know what you're doing with your character's equipment and choice of weapon and skills.
Bosses don't have invincibility frames in bloodborne. The player has them and you should abuse them by dodging towards enemies.
Screaming Meat
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RespectThySole
Member
Neither of them is all that difficult tbh. Bloodborne is better overall but Nioh has better combat. I'd recommend getting Bloodborne first, but still play Nioh when you get a chance. It's great as well.
eXistor
Member
Definitely give Bloodborne a try, even if you end up not finishing it, it's good to at least try and see for yourself. Nioh is good if you're into the style of game and you want more after the Souls games, but I'd rank it fairly low on the scale; I found it to be too repetitive. Great controls though.
Augemitbutter
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they're not hard, they just demand your attention.
you should try them both. once you're over the standard difficulty, you'll gain access to every other game of this calibre.
you should try them both. once you're over the standard difficulty, you'll gain access to every other game of this calibre.
Martinski43
Member
I am quite mediocre at best when it comes to skillz and reaction times in games and such. But i've still managed to platinum both Nioh and Bloodborne, the difficulty is there when you have 0 experience with the games but when you learn some and get over the hump it's not all that hard except for optional stuff if you want to platinum. There's some optional bosses in both games that are quite silly one shotting hard. But with some persistence i managed.
Same here. Get Bloodborne over Nioh.
I actually prefered Dark Souls III over both of them.
AyraSutoraifu
Member
I actually put more time in Nioh then Bloodborne, because the fighting is so good.
Nioh runs at 60 fps, has more distinct weapons, more character builds, and more robust combat system. The game has also received 20 patches since its Feb release, mainly fixing bugs, adding more modes, improving skills, etc... It also got 3 DLC packs which added more enemies, weapons, modes, guardian spirits, and so on. Of the two Nioh is as Action RPG as you can get. It's very strong in both aspects.
Bloodborne runs at 30 fps with uneven frametime, has weapons with stylish alternate states, the regain system that rewards aggressive play, and far better art direction, level design, and music than Nioh. Its DLC, The Old Hunters, is fantastic and is home to some of the best content in the entire Soulsborne series. Instead of Nioh's sectioned off stages, Bloodborne has a large, intertwined world.
They're fairly different games, especially since Bloodborne is far closer to an action game than an RPG, while Nioh has both in equal measure. Since you've bought both, you can play the one that suits your taste in a given moment.
Bloodborne runs at 30 fps with uneven frametime, has weapons with stylish alternate states, the regain system that rewards aggressive play, and far better art direction, level design, and music than Nioh. Its DLC, The Old Hunters, is fantastic and is home to some of the best content in the entire Soulsborne series. Instead of Nioh's sectioned off stages, Bloodborne has a large, intertwined world.
They're fairly different games, especially since Bloodborne is far closer to an action game than an RPG, while Nioh has both in equal measure. Since you've bought both, you can play the one that suits your taste in a given moment.
Is DS3 easier to get into and ok to play having no prior experience of DS1 or 2? Is there a Gascogine skill-gate?
Seeing your posts, you won't like DS3. It works the same way as do Bloodborne in terms of dificulty, exp resources, checkpoints, etc
Yes to the first question. No to the second. The game imo just gets progressively harder.
You can turtle, which just makes it more accessible by default.
Actually, you're probably right.
Bloodborne is hard sometimes. Nioh is mostly hard on bosses. Sometimes, even unfair.
I'd recommend Bloodborne over Nioh, because it feels more polished to me. Nioh is more of a fusion between Dark Souls, Onimusha and stage select. It is faster than Dark Souls, but punitive as, and it is staged. Each stage brings you back to the stage select menu and you can redo those, do optional stages or daily ones.
I didn't know this about Nioh and was a bit disappointed at first. My own fault for not researching enough. After the first impression, I loved it.
I'd recommend Bloodborne over Nioh, because it feels more polished to me. Nioh is more of a fusion between Dark Souls, Onimusha and stage select. It is faster than Dark Souls, but punitive as, and it is staged. Each stage brings you back to the stage select menu and you can redo those, do optional stages or daily ones.
I didn't know this about Nioh and was a bit disappointed at first. My own fault for not researching enough. After the first impression, I loved it.
Very interesting - butwhy.gif?
Wtf am I reading here. Nioh, the game with 6~ types of weapons that come from real life weapons you see in every single melee action game, has more distinct weapons than Bloodborne of all things.
This is like, a literal lie.
Svejk
Member
I wouldn't bother with either, OP... the increased challenge would be unnecessary and can be rather stressful, based on what games you've listed that you enjoy. I quit DSII & III about half way each... just too much tension for so little sense of progress and shitty platforming. I understand the temptation... if you can find one or the other for around $7, go for and give it a try... you never know till.
DustyVonEric
Member
I love both games. I like Bloodborne better, though I wouldn't start with that one if concerned with difficulty.
You can really out-level and out-gear the (standard) game in Nioh.
Then there are spells and ninja tools to really extend your survivability.
Attack damage and defense buffs
Enemy attack / defense debuffs
Heath regen
Instant revival (Naruto substitution jutsu)
Joining the right clan when that opens up can really add to your survivability and damage as well either with direct health / heavy armor boosts, or indirectly through raising luck significantly to increase drop rates of the rarest gear.
Nioh also gives you a bailout / you win form that turns you invulnerable and increases damage for a time.
You just need to get used to the game at the beginning, and see how things work.
When you have a chance, choose Spear as one of your weapons and stay in mid-stance (which is actually good the whole game). That poke is no joke with damage and distance. Then branch out to other weapons and stances at your leisure.
You may find some road bumps in bosses, but you can easily gear up specially for those (like anti-paralysis gear, meds, spells). Or simple summon help from other players if you get stuck.
Once you're done with Nioh, move on to Soulsborne and be amazed
Bloodborne's creature / level design and atmosphere are on a whole other level.
Edit: Yo, I forgot.
Just get Sloth magic as soon as you can, and you break Nioh.
I should have just said that. It's Very Easy mode, especially when stacked with all the other tools Nioh gives you.
Good luck!
You can really out-level and out-gear the (standard) game in Nioh.
Then there are spells and ninja tools to really extend your survivability.
Attack damage and defense buffs
Enemy attack / defense debuffs
Heath regen
Instant revival (Naruto substitution jutsu)
Joining the right clan when that opens up can really add to your survivability and damage as well either with direct health / heavy armor boosts, or indirectly through raising luck significantly to increase drop rates of the rarest gear.
Nioh also gives you a bailout / you win form that turns you invulnerable and increases damage for a time.
You just need to get used to the game at the beginning, and see how things work.
When you have a chance, choose Spear as one of your weapons and stay in mid-stance (which is actually good the whole game). That poke is no joke with damage and distance. Then branch out to other weapons and stances at your leisure.
You may find some road bumps in bosses, but you can easily gear up specially for those (like anti-paralysis gear, meds, spells). Or simple summon help from other players if you get stuck.
Once you're done with Nioh, move on to Soulsborne and be amazed
Bloodborne's creature / level design and atmosphere are on a whole other level.
Edit: Yo, I forgot.
Just get Sloth magic as soon as you can, and you break Nioh.
I should have just said that. It's Very Easy mode, especially when stacked with all the other tools Nioh gives you.
Good luck!
Imp the Dimp
Member
The game is also substantially longer tbh, almost to its detriment.
Theslammer
Member
Your post is both completely correct and possibly incorrect.
In that everything you said is completely true; there are more tutorials in Nioh (for the bit I played of it), while in Bloodborne, you have those prompts in the first area and the hub area where you can experiment as much as you want. And Nioh, by all accounts, will probably be a easier to get into based on that alone, though I think the low/medium/high stances may take longer to get used to.
On the other hand, Bloodborne was my first Souls-like game, and while the beginning kicked my ass many times over, I eventually earned a plat both in the base game and the DLC and have replayed it every year since, sometimes more than once. He may very well be taken away by Bloodborne.
So I dunno! I look forward to eventually getting the Complete Edition of Nioh for a better view of it in case someone asks this again.
Sakura
Member
I saw Kings Field IV at the store the other day and almost bought it, but I figured the difficulty would be too much for me.
Bloodborne is by far the superior game. Nioh is a very good game with an interesting mechanic in the stance system but a lot of the levels are pretty bland and the complete lack of enemy variety is a real bummer. The loot system in Nioh spices things up as well but Bloodborne is simply a far, far better game and just an amazing experience from start to finish.
If you may be interested, the alpha is not representative at all of the final version, both in difficulty and other mechanics like weapon degratation (that was canned).
elshoelace
Member
Bloodborne is a masterpiece and the best Souls game imho. Nioh is great but the story isn't that good.
I understand the hesitation, I felt the same way with Dark Souls but loved it.
Nioh was great....until it became a grindy loot acquiring mess.
The extra difficulties (seriously - there are 5 - FIVE - New Game Plus options) make it 100% focused on loot after the first play through.
In terms of difficulty - if youve played (and enjoyed) the Ninja Gaiden games - and played through those on the different difficulty levels - Nioh will be pretty easy to you. Its opening difficulty is like playing on Hard in NGB for example.
Ive never played the Souls games so I cant speak to them.
The extra difficulties (seriously - there are 5 - FIVE - New Game Plus options) make it 100% focused on loot after the first play through.
In terms of difficulty - if youve played (and enjoyed) the Ninja Gaiden games - and played through those on the different difficulty levels - Nioh will be pretty easy to you. Its opening difficulty is like playing on Hard in NGB for example.
Ive never played the Souls games so I cant speak to them.
Imp the Dimp
Member
Which is not until the post game? I never bothered with that crap, platinumed the base game and now I'm in the second DLC area. You can grind but you honestly don't have to to experience the bulk of the game.
I platinumed Bloodborne. If you don't like hard games, stay away. It can be incredibly difficult, and the faster pace (compared to other FROM games) requires you to be absolutely on your toes and quick with your reflexes.
If you're not a completionist, you can still see most of Bloodborne and avoid some of the more challenging end game content, and although you can grind a bit, at the end of the day you're still going down fast if you don't learn to avoid bosses attacks and learn their patterns.
Haven't played Nioh.
If you're not a completionist, you can still see most of Bloodborne and avoid some of the more challenging end game content, and although you can grind a bit, at the end of the day you're still going down fast if you don't learn to avoid bosses attacks and learn their patterns.
Haven't played Nioh.
Crankshaft
Member
This thread made me go check the psn store looking for deals... not seeing Nioh on sale
Tbh it had 2 difficulties too many.
Definitely try Bloodborne
There is a good chance you will like it a lot
Just remember the opening area is unforgiving (the game doesnt get significantly harder) and finding shortcuts is very important (finding a new shortcut back to a previous lamp is the games version of a checkpoint)
I completely agree - I LOVED the base game and the first DLC.
Then I didnt touch it for a while, came back to it with DLC 2 dropped (I got the season pass) and found myself incredibly bored with it - like I couldnt do the first levels of both the 2nd and 3rd DLC. The game becomes so dependent on better gear it killed my enjoyment of the game.
A first time Nioh playthrough is awesome.
Subsequent playthroughs turn the game into Diablo - a game type I have zero patience for these days.
I guess what Im saying is that first time play is awesome and worth the money for the sheer volume of content alone.
Afterwards? It becomes subjective. I dont like how the game shifted. Most people do.
Thats all.
100% concur. The should have stopped at WotD.
Peroroncino
Member
Nioh for better combat and 60fps, Bloodborne for more immersive experience overall.
Personally I find NGB to be significantly harder than any of these games because the gameplay relies so heavily on combos and timing. Nioh and BB are far simpler in their mechanics, not implying that they are bad just different.