brandonh83
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I hope he ends up having a cooler name, I still haven't gotten over how silly it sounds. Perhaps with more context it'd work a bit better? But I've been under the impression that it's a smokescreen alias.
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Star Wars: The Last Jedi Official Teaser
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Crimsonlink
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......... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Wait are you serious? ?_?
Kaneda Shotaro
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Yeah, he should've just kept Darth Plageious
Gotta keep up with the canon!
WhiteRabbitEXE
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That would definitely add an interesting wrinkle to his relationship with Kylo, given Kylo's obsession with Vader.
Exactly how much does Kylo know about Vader/Anakin anyway? And what does he actually believe? I would assume Luke/Leia/Han would have told him at least a portion of the truth, but I wonder if Snoke has convinced him that Vader never turned back? Is that mentioned in any of the books?
Killer Queen
Banned
it was much cooler the other way
also
all the names in Star Wars outside of Leia and Luke are pretty dumb. You just roll with it.
EX:
Han Solo
Boba Fett
Jango Fett
Jabba
Darth(Sidious,Vader, Plaguis, Tyrannis, Maul)
Mace Windu
Kit Fisto
Plo Koon
Obi Wan Kenobi
Chewbacca
Sheev Palpatine
i could go on forever
Are you talking about clone wars or something? Is that where this is explained
Cuz I tried to watch it and couldn't get through
He knows everything. He likes Vader and thinks Anakin is a chump.
Kaneda Shotaro
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Yes, in the visual dictionary I believe it says Ben knows he turned good but Snoke convinced him he was tricked by Luke. Something along those lines but the point is, he knows the whole story, just doesn't see it has Vader willingly becoming a good guy.
brandonh83
Banned
Bwahaha
I wanted him to be Plageuis for a while there but it makes no sense as Palpatine damn near confesses that it was him that killed him in his sleep.
Killer Queen
Banned
He knows that Vader turned back, but he considers Vader and Anakin to be seperate people and hates the latter.
Snoke has also had a large influence on Kylo, from when he was a fetus to when he was a child,etc
also yeah having Snoke be Plaguis would be pretty dumb and undermine the emperors power and make him look like a fool
The Ahsoka novel.
I think TFA novel has a specific conversion between Kylo and Snoke where they discuss Anakin being redeemed and Vader destroyed?
Explains why I don't know
shira
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WhiteRabbitEXE
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I wonder how they address the inconsistency with the Crystal Crisis on Utapau arc, because the giant-ass crystal in that arc was green. Blame it on the unfinished animation?
Killer Queen
Banned
I wonder how they address the inconsistency with the Crystal Crisis on Utapau arc, because the giant-ass crystal in that arc was green. Blame it on the unfinished animation?
the saber construction episode in Clone Wars also has all the crystals blue, which then create blue lightsabers, so uh.
Trigonometrize.
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...I think I prefer the legends interpretation on something then. The idea that "red" is inherently linked to pain and evil while the others are linked to goodness and tranquility is a little wonky.
Kaneda Shotaro
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There's hints. Ben calling Snoke "wise" might be a hint. The way he dresses in 8 is similar to Plageius. I don't care who he is, I'm just always going to be amazed this dude waited from the time Jedi were about to fall to the Empire ending. Dec-ades...just to take over as an old fart.
civilstrife
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I'd Kylo kills Luke it will be because Luke lets him, ala Obi Wan or Dumbledore
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Good.
They have a whole squad to iron all that shit out. Come up with something cool first. Make it fit later.
"Why can Luke all of a sudden throw big ballin'-ass Metsu Hadokens?"
"Because I want him to."
"Alright, we're on it."
WhiteRabbitEXE
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If I recall correctly, within the cave they all seem clear to each of the younglings (lol younglings), except for their crystal. So perhaps they change color as they choose their Jedi within the cave.
brandonh83
Banned
Nah, wise is just a universal word, just because they called him "the Wise" doesn't really mean anything IMO, that word is in SW quite a bit lol
But yeah when Sheev is being reflective when he says "Ironic..." you can see in his eyes that he was referring to himself being the one that killed him in his sleep.
...as much as I would dig all this.
Kaneda Shotaro
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I think Lucasfilm is being really smart about the other media though. They're doing new and weird stuff with the force and people's abilities. A lot of concepts were introduced (tying memories to objects, Sith/Jedi artifacts, going into detail with the Kyber crystals, holding the blade of a lightsaber, creatures strongly connected to the force) and I think the purpose is to open people's minds and get them used to the "weird". We're going to see new, different things with the force in the films and these books and shows are a great way for touching on or expanding new concepts.
Trigonometrize.
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I literally just noticed that Rey's saber-like thing on the poster starts out blue at the bottom but eventually turns to red.
(probably not)
(probably not)
Killer Queen
Banned
Well, you can see them outside of the cave in one of the later episodes. I think it's more that the kyber Crystals are all blue, and the cave is all blue, so they're hard to find and differentiate between the ice (one kid fucks up because of this)
But later on when they're being boarded by pirates all their crystals are blue when they stick em in the robot, and again all their sabers are blue.
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
My god, Rey vs. Kylo in TFA is underrated.
Just watched it back to back with the Darth Maul fight in EP 1.
Just watched it back to back with the Darth Maul fight in EP 1.
Killer Queen
Banned
Yeah the Rey Vs Kylo fight is great. I love Kylo's fighting style and the weight these fights have, there's a concussiveness with each strike and it's visually interesting but also not silly.
brandonh83
Banned
I was super thrilled about Rogue One having damned Whills and Kyber crystals and all that very nerdy shit. You getting the Guardians of the Whills book in a few weeks? I'm pretty eager for that, hoping it's worth a damn though.
Killer Queen
Banned
Star Wars EU part 2: Electric boogaloo
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
Plus it actually feels like they are trying to kill each other rather than dance.
lol, star wars has no canon
it has less canon than any series ever created
Just say it's a variation on a kinetite or a reverse tutamini or something.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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Yeah, I greatly preferred the Legends explanation for the red coloring of Sith blades. Having them literally be red because they're evil and red is the evil color is so cheesy, lol. The idea that Jedi managed to secure all the major sources of Kyber crystals, forcing the Sith to create crystals of their own made more sense.
I'm guessing they only changed it because they wanted Kyber to almost have a will of its own, but eh.
Is he old? I mean, relative to his species. Could be a Yoda situation. Maybe he's only like 80 and has another 800 years to go, lol.
Definitely. No way Luke goes out unwillingly.
no because the corporate committee already decided what's going to be in the movie, and they clearly hired Rian Johnson specifically to act out their wills
That's what the LSG is for. All published materials run through them to make sure it's consistent.
Kaneda Shotaro
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Nah, I don't read or watch any of the expanded stuff, it's too much to keep track of so I google the info or read the wikis to them lol. Are they actually making a book on Guardians of the Whills? Because that's a huge deal and will likely introduce ideas/concepts/themes that will be in 8 (I'm assuming).
I'm interested in the books and stories after 8 comes out because then they can go back and tell us stories with Luke, Ben and Snoke around the time of Luke starting the school.
The Jedi still controlled the kyber crystal locations. The implication is that the Sith kill a Jedi and steal their crystal.
brandonh83
Banned
Before going into VII, I was talking with my friend about how I thought the fight would be a really brief thing, maybe cool but not trying to be something huge or the best fight in the series.
Hooooooly shit did we walk outta there laughing our asses off about that one. I love how fast the prequel fights are and I still think the TPM and ROTS fights are superb, but man the setting, colors, cinematography, heft, etc were so great.
I really got the impression that JJ was like okay here's my one and maybe only shot to contribute a saber fight to this series so I better buck up on this.
Hooooooly shit did we walk outta there laughing our asses off about that one. I love how fast the prequel fights are and I still think the TPM and ROTS fights are superb, but man the setting, colors, cinematography, heft, etc were so great.
I really got the impression that JJ was like okay here's my one and maybe only shot to contribute a saber fight to this series so I better buck up on this.
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
I want Kylo to try Luke, and instead he doesn't even get a swing in, and Luke just absolutely destroys him.
Then Rey trys to stop him from killing Kylo and its this whole drama. Thatd be sweet
Then Rey trys to stop him from killing Kylo and its this whole drama. Thatd be sweet
Killer Queen
Banned
I'd argue that you don't need Snoke to be a sham for that to happen.
Arguably the fact that the force user that slipped out of his hands, using the saber of his grandfather and being trained by his former master might fill him with rage and jealousy.
There were a lot of differences (not direct contradictions) that bugged me with TFA novel. Actually created some pretty heated arguments here lol
Not a huge deal of course, just more of a personal annoyance of mine
It's a YA novel so I don't expect it to go TOO deep. It's probably really just "Here's Baze and Chirrut's adventure before they met Jyn!"
brandonh83
Banned
It's about Chirrut and the Whills from Rogue, but I can't imagine there won't be any interesting details in that.
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
Now that I think about it, an R Rated Star Wars in the same vein as Logan would be sweet.
Killer Queen
Banned
I don't think that Lucasfilm is going to venture into R rated Star Wars films tbh
At least not for a long time
At least not for a long time
WhiteRabbitEXE
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I know.
I was just stating the prior part as why I like the latter justification. Makes more sense to me than each Sith blade being the result of them nicking a Jedi crystal, screaming "YOU'RE MINE DAMMIT" and then it cries red.Kaneda Shotaro
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I think he might be a sham in that he's not so great and powerful anymore, just wants to see his version of the Empire completely succeed (getting rid of the Republic and Luke). My gut says Ben will kill him in a fit of rage.
But I never thought about that. Former teacher training someone powerful with Anakin's lightsaber...he is going to be pure rage lol.
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