Also a coincidence that all of the widows that haven't gotten a call have been African American.
Nope just a coincidence.
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General John Kelly is a bald-faced liar, told false story to slander Congresswoman
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Nope just a coincidence.
Cannot be quoted enough. I mean even when the guy is making a generally agreeable point I would side with, I still find myself thinking this guy is an idiot.
lol what a family. why is not donald trump jr's wife reading phone transcripts?
No, he didn't state an objective fact. He teared up and gave an opinion. The exact quote:
Van Jones said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...the-president-in-that-moment-cnntv/index.html
That's called a subjective opinion. A fact would be if he said Donald Trump became President January 20th 2017.
I'd say it was a rather stupid opinion too. Donald Trump woodenly read a prepared statement someone else wrote just like every other politician in America. Though with far less sincerity. Jones and others had simply set the bar so low that every moment he wasn't a unintelligable raving lunatic seemed like some profound moment to them.
I'll put all my chips on "both"
jellies_two
Member
This is a litmus test for how much of a proxy military dictatorship the US is in.
Lots of high placed commentators who loath trump apparently feel that criticism of a FOUR STAR GENERAL, cititicism of any kind, is utterly unacceptable. The pentagon and the top brass are considered as sage older statesman now who by virtue of their service are above politics and above mistakes. That's a worry because one day they may decide something and to hell with most of the opinion of the people or "empty barrel" congress members.
Lots of high placed commentators who loath trump apparently feel that criticism of a FOUR STAR GENERAL, cititicism of any kind, is utterly unacceptable. The pentagon and the top brass are considered as sage older statesman now who by virtue of their service are above politics and above mistakes. That's a worry because one day they may decide something and to hell with most of the opinion of the people or "empty barrel" congress members.
Dems are going to vote yes to cover Freedom Caucus no votes?
Dems are not gonna be the problem so long as it's a clean bill(It likely won't be, but no matter what Kelly does it wouldn't change dems votes one way or the other).
theignoramus
Member
I remember how Bush used Colin Powell's credibility and image as a decorated general to mislead the American public about the existence of WMD in Iraq.
Neuromancer
Member
I thought he was better than this. I was wrong.
PJV3
Member
The bar is set at not allowing Trump to nuke a country, that's probably not set in stone either.
Wag
Member
He's a politician. He holds a political office.
You should have known better
jellies_two
Member
I figure it wasn't malicious and deliberate but a sort of nasty filter that he has. He was at this building opening event and saw her black ass speaking and laid down the memories of it in exactly the way he regurgitated them. the whitehouse never apologizes, so Here we are. Another grudge to add to the huge pile.
If its because hes a racist, then thats pretty malicious.
theclosetfan
Member
None of what he said was even remotely true, by any measure. It was pretty damn malicious.
Watch the speech.
Who doesn't fucking lie like this in the administration? Trump is the worst of them all but they're all bad. Pence has been caught in some bad ones. His press secretaries are the worst. Kelly has been sold as the adult who won't lie but this proves that is not true. They're all terrible with the truth and it's going to haunt the government for a long time.
Electric Eye
Banned
At this rate everyone will just up and say fuck it nuke NK to distract from ALL of us being pieces of shit.
jellies_two
Member
Yeah I know. I feel that he is a malcicous racist without being actually conscious of it. If that makes sense.
Lightning_Roller
Banned
Adult in the room, my ass. Fuck Kelly.
Electric Eye
Banned
It would if she was someone known to have any shred of morals/credibility but she's just a mouthpiece for a morally bankrupt administration. I mean these people coined "alternative facts".
She should let Trump know that who constantly attacked generals during his campaign.
It's all in "Authoritarianism for dummies" handbook. From alt facts to (military) leadership being beyond reproach. Does Kelly believe that too or not is unknown, but is yet another sign of how administration thinks.
theclosetfan
Member
Fair enough.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Exactly. i cringe every time someone acts like Van Jones is anything other than a useful idiot, who if you didn't know was an idiot, would be far more dangerous for the average person watching and taking him seriously, and then somehow using anything he says to inform their decision making on anything of consequence.
Can't shoot straight when your gun is crooked
Smiles and Cries
Member
We have to trust these folks with North Korea?
"It's coming right for us!"
"It's coming right for us!"
Are you aware of what VanJones actually does outside of spending an hour or two on CNN some nights?
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Especially when she wasn't there or even in congress at the time.
I imagine the only thing he knows about him is that "presidential" line.
timetokill
Banned
Lawrence O'Donnell went in on Kelly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6_p7hwUl3o
I almost agree with her. The President should be questioning generals, Secretary of Defense should be questioning Generals. The Generals really shouldn't be in the news at all, so it shouldn't really come up.
Bummer Kelley is a retired General working as a public servant in a non-military position. He should be questioned as much as everyone else and should be held to a much higher standard. So, fuck him.
KernelPanic
Member
Because conservatives will do literally anything to comfortably maintain white supremacy
And I mean COMFORTABLY. Have you seen those billionaire donations?
I mean we already had Stephen Miller flat out say we should never question the president, and not many even batted an eye.
Curious Puppy
Banned
Hes worse than that. Luckily his credibility was destroyed over that moment, theres a reason why no one talks about him anymore aside from rightly mocking him as a fraud. Remember how often he was praised in the run up to the election?
Yes. Hes an outright fraud as a pundit and if he had any self respect would quit and draft up a sincere apology for how much of a stooge hes been in that role. What he does outside of CNN doesnt expunge what hes said on CNN.
Fug Slanderson
Member
I always thought it was BOLD-faced liar. Is it really BALD?
That was a good segment
Azure Dream
Member
At what point is it legally slander?
Aaron Strife
Banned
Pretty sure both are acceptable.
Bold-faced meaning youre putting on a brave face when lying (pretty straightforward). Bald-faced referred to an old superstition that men with beards were hiding something, so if you told a bald-faced lie it meant you didnt have facial hair but were lying anyway, and this was worse because you wouldnt expect someone with no beard to lie like that.