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How does Demon's Souls hold up?
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Weapon durability isn't really a big deal outside of Scraping Spear hitting you. The Item Load and burden though was great. I actually don't mind it and makes me plan out things more
Mr_Appleby
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only if you're looking at the american covers
the japanese covers for every game has been SO much better
Thanks for posting the best videogame cover art since the great crash. I love this piece - when everything else at the time was guns and victory and emphasised what great powers and manliness and general kickassery the player character had, this poor, anonymous, defeated knight was a strange and compelling vision.
I have a lot of love for Demon's Souls and it's true I probably overlook many of its flaws but I still find it eminently playable, the environments well designed with many wonderful views and secret passages and shortcuts waiting to be discovered. It has some of the best weapons of the series in the Dragon Bone Sword, Blueblood sword, Meatcleaver etc.
I feel particularly that DS3 to me at least has a lot of callbacks to Demon's that I find quite endearing.
Anyway a remaster would be nice but not if they go removing world tendency etc. like some posters have suggested (in a different thread). Atlus's server event system removed all the stress and complications from getting the tendency events anyway, if they did the same thing again I think there'd be few complaints.
I much prefer it over Dark Souls. Movement and attacking are more responsive, PVP is arguably better with the absence of poise, and atmosphere is unmatched. The hub system gives you access to ~5 new areas at once most of the time, making Demon's less linear than any other Souls game. This combined with many important items being placed at the first area of an archstone makes it easy to try new builds once you know where items are located.
A lot of the enemies in Dark Souls are reskins from Demon's Souls, so it might feel like a prototype of DkS if you're intimately familiar with that game. The lack of a plunging attack is Demon's' biggest detriment.
Edit: The upgrade system is borked though. It's way too difficult to get the items you need without farming or duping.
A lot of the enemies in Dark Souls are reskins from Demon's Souls, so it might feel like a prototype of DkS if you're intimately familiar with that game. The lack of a plunging attack is Demon's' biggest detriment.
Edit: The upgrade system is borked though. It's way too difficult to get the items you need without farming or duping.
bobawesome
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The Artisan
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nothing is bro.
hydrophilic attack
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Still the best Souls game and just GOAT game in general
Newtype-001
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Still the best NPCs aswell
Each one so memorable
"you've got a heart of gold, don't let them take it from you"
Each one so memorable
"you've got a heart of gold, don't let them take it from you"
hydrophilic attack
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I felt that with how many times crystal lizards were respawned throughout the game, upgrade materials were handed out as candy. Especially if you killed them during pure black world tendency.
Bladestone is the obvious exception of course.
I, alternatively, disagree pretty strongly. Prior to Bloodborne, I would have said it has the most focused design out of the 3 games but Bloodborne definitely gives it a run for its money. It really leans heavy on the dark fantasy and never lets up while I think Dark Souls in general has a much more higher fantasy weird and zany slant to it that I just never cared for (crystal dragons, fancy gold intricate armor, etc.).
ebullientprism
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I cant go back to it after having played Dark Souls 1. Everything this game did has been done better by Das 1, 2 and 3 (atmosphere in Tower Latria probably the only exception). Better combat, more variety in builds, better online interactions, better bosses, better level design.......everything.
I think the graphics support the design poorly compared to other games. The detail just isnt there.
SatelliteOfLove
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Still the best Souls (DS3's combat feel being a hybrid of DeS, DS1, and BB is brilliant) soup to nuts. Every other game has more of the good parts of DeS or misses something DeS got right.
A few of the facets in each of the later games I feel were brought about by a drilling down on some of those completely nailed facets. So many secrets or crazy happenings that if new would have people going "WTF IS HAPPENING?!?" much more often than any later games.
WT is underappreciated, and if other players coudln't affect yours indirectly, it would be perfect (note how much of the complaints are about farming it or from "how will players know its there?!?!?!?! Illicit knowledge can be dangerous in some hands).
Still has the best PvP/PwP system as DS3 came juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust short of funneling people into helping and hunting fellow players enough. The combination of DeS imperitives and Covenants would have been GOTY bait. Oh so close. Oh so short.
Still has the best boss (Old Monk, see above).
Oh, Uuuuuummbasa....
Yup.
That choking "my own survival instincts are going to fuck me over if I don't Kip Gud" feeling is wonderful.
This is something I want to see people deal with who just started with DS3 and its very Soulsian shortcuts...what happens to them in 1-2, 1-4, 4-2, and 5-1 where there IS no shortcut. Willl those be seen as "mandatory"? Will they get why it was like it in those?
The real Souls starts on PC!
A few of the facets in each of the later games I feel were brought about by a drilling down on some of those completely nailed facets. So many secrets or crazy happenings that if new would have people going "WTF IS HAPPENING?!?" much more often than any later games.
WT is underappreciated, and if other players coudln't affect yours indirectly, it would be perfect (note how much of the complaints are about farming it or from "how will players know its there?!?!?!?! Illicit knowledge can be dangerous in some hands).
Still has the best PvP/PwP system as DS3 came juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust short of funneling people into helping and hunting fellow players enough. The combination of DeS imperitives and Covenants would have been GOTY bait. Oh so close. Oh so short.
Still has the best boss (Old Monk, see above).
Oh, Uuuuuummbasa....
Yup.
The screaming loot corpses, the chains making noise as you touch them, and the Bitch-Maker Jailers special brand of awfulness made Irythill Jail a delight for the same reason.
That choking "my own survival instincts are going to fuck me over if I don't Kip Gud" feeling is wonderful.
This is something I want to see people deal with who just started with DS3 and its very Soulsian shortcuts...what happens to them in 1-2, 1-4, 4-2, and 5-1 where there IS no shortcut. Willl those be seen as "mandatory"? Will they get why it was like it in those?
The real Souls starts on PC!
SuperStiltzkin
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Best soundtrack and best story in the series.
Yah I can definitely understand that. For me, Dark Souls 1 always felt way too bloomed and saturated to shit and was kind of ugly to me for those reasons. I thought Dark Souls 2's "sharpness" was a lot better but a lot of the environments leave a lot to be desired.
Robot Pants
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If you've played the rest, its gonna be a breeze.
Probably going against the grain but i think it ages terribly. Status effects have no meter to tell you they're affecting you. Level design is muddled and confusing. The levels are entirely disconnected from each other. Game is a lot floaty-er than the rest. Bosses are generally less interesting, and most have little significance to plot or lore. They added a carry limit that in hindsight makes very little sense other than to be annoying (although at the time it was taken terrible idea). World tendency basically does absolutely nothing except lock you out of certain events.
All in all the game just feels like a worse version of Dark Souls. A lot of people point to atmosphere and stuff and whilst it personally did nothing for me I guess I can see some people liking it for that. But ultimately Demons souls is almost a game made out of all the stupid decisions from the rest of the series. But I guess that's the nature of a first try.
All in all the game just feels like a worse version of Dark Souls. A lot of people point to atmosphere and stuff and whilst it personally did nothing for me I guess I can see some people liking it for that. But ultimately Demons souls is almost a game made out of all the stupid decisions from the rest of the series. But I guess that's the nature of a first try.
vitalogy11
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Just a PSA if you have had PS Plus for a few years, check your library. I just looked and I was surprised to see this game is in my download library.
BattleMonkey
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Just started Dark Souls, and it feels alot easier so far, and the camp fire stuff really makes the whole thing so much simpler feeling. I never finished Demon's, but is it true that Demon Soul is a harder game in general?
Why do you think it was like that in DeS? I was always under the impression that it was just a tuning choice that the devs decided to scale back a bit in later Souls games. I mean sure, I learned to fight my way through the whole fucking level every time I wanted to make an attempt at
Allant
fucking blue dragon right before him
SatelliteOfLove
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There's stuff I disagree with in this post VEHEMENTLY but this is just factually incorrect.
There's like, two bosses that play similar to each other. Hell, some misappropriate them as being too gimmicky!
I don't know. The Soulsian Shortcuts always made for brilliant level design so maybe they dug down on that? It doesnt feel I guess like kowtowing to tears.
The usefulness of "there IS no shortcut here (although 1-2 and 2-2 had ones they were...unorthodox heh), is good for a "testing" reason. You're going into things you hate but can overcome. Poison swamps, patch with archers a plenty, big risk of falls, mandatory boss that is rough against your build, etc). Occasionally it just ain't gonna be there. "Oh FWEW, a shortcut!" is how it should be seen.
He left his family to die. Of course i'm going to be annoyed after the first 5 billion times i hear it
ChetWilson
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Eh, those complaints come off as too vague and/or "flipside of a strong positive."
The best FS a-rpgs are the ones where they keep some general principles, but strike new ground w/ lore/setting/. Demons, DS1, and BB are the best titles in the series, with DS2 and DS3 far behind. Sequels have been an avenue of "relative" failure.
yes, particularly for new players. The first world is a trial by fire compared to later games. It's pretty massive and you have to get through a lot before the game lets you level up.
There are no bonfires so the run back to the bosses is way longer than the Dark games.
Also, Valley of Defilement is still one of the toughest areas in all the Souls games, imo. Those giants are brutal.
Oh I mean visually, gameplay wise I'd probably agree that it's probably one of the stronger lineups.
Moon_frogger
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Lol hell yes it is. It's dark souls with monocles and top hats. It takes the literal exact same mechanics, calls them blood echoes instead of souls, lamps instead of bonfires, even the weapon upgrade systems uses the same shard, chunk and slab naming system. The health, levelling, currency system, weapon scaling, stamina management and online summoning mechanics are all exactly the same as souls. On what basis, other than superficial, is it not a souls game? It has the exact same risk reward mechanic, bloodstains, the trademark level design and shortcut system, identical npc and quest structure as souls. It shares a modified engine with dark souls 2 and 3. It's made by the exact same group of people that made the souls games. It has the same voice actors. The same localization team. An nearly identical control scheme. The same new game plus mechanic. The same system of leaving messages on the ground and rating them. Same boss mechanics. Fog doors. Invasions. Same Audio cues and enviromnental clues. Same method of storytelling. It's a souls game.
added so much to extending the gameplay and replayability!
same here but just recently bought BB... it's not too bad, and i'm sensitive to low FPS. though it did make DS3 feel soooo much smoother
as for demon's souls i wish they'd make it playable on PS4 so i can finally mark that checkbox. doesn't even have to be remastered, put it on psnow or something.
Definitely agree with that last part. The newer Souls games are formulaic to the point where you have a mental timer where you can guess that there is probably a shortcut or another bonfire nearby. That sense wasn't there in DeS because the level design was less formulaic. I also didn't have it in Dark Souls 1 because it was my first Souls game and I didn't know how the games worked yet. I also completely missed a few mid-level or pre-boss bonfires (like the one in Sen's), which further threw off the sense of "I'm pretty deep in. Shouldn't there be a shortcut or a bonfire by now?"
The "testing" points kind of made a change in Dark Souls 1 when they put two bonfires relatively close together, but with some crazy shit in between, like the famed Anor Londo archers. You didn't have to fight through a lot of the level to get to them, but god damn were they some bullshit that was memorable.
Don't count on it given From's recent comments.
Fried Food
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incredibly well. Great game, in the top 2 soulsborne games
I think people will be amazed how well this game holds up. I bought it when it originally came out in Japan and was absolutely blown away. I personally don't think there is too much difference in Ps3 vs Ps4 graphics just a little bit more resolution and texture clarity but most of the geometry looks the same, so it won't be like the difference of going from Ps2 to Ps3 level graphics, more like going from an SD to HD connection.
I think it's rather up to Sony, but probably they will rather push their new game with From.
they really should make it available to more people, remaster or otherwise. souls is way bigger than it was pre-Dark Souls, and way more people own or will own a PS4 than PS3
GIANKRATOS
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Still the best NPCs aswell
<3
Fair point actually, Sony did say they were really interested in pushing more remasters, I could see Bluepoint doing it easily. But I'd count on Bloodborne 2 or a new IP before I see From themselves remastering it.
It super fucked over my last attempt at beating the game (I keep getting about four-fifths through before getting distacted, it's happened on about 5 separate playthrough's over the years).
I didn't realize arrows contributed to the overall equip weight, I was dumping off the upgrade items left and right, but I lost basically all of the interesting armor and weapons in that run. If you get the "you would become overburdened" or whatever it is message, the item will be erased from your game upon respawn or reload of your game, it fucked me over so hard.
The Artisan
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lawl hell no it is not.
on the basis that all the official people involved have taken steps to point out that bloodborne is not only a separate IP but separate entity altogether from the souls series
a lot of these same exact elements are things that can be said about tlou in relation to the uncharted series. is tlou an uncharted game?
working as intended.
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