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Final Thoughts: Okami
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Ghengis Cohen
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Himuro was one of the ones who completely ruined that one.Mifune said:
Foreign Jackass
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Himuro : What games do you like? I wanna know before I buy this.
Dragona Akehi
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Billy Rygar said:
Completely ruined? At any rate, this thread is definiately even-handed, and he's bringing up his problems with the game. OH TEH NOS. OPINIONZ!
I'll be sure to chime in with mine after I finish it.
Himuro said:
Far from it. Very few of your faults at the game are as severe as you say, or faults at all. Personal preferences, sure. Personal preferences made into big huge things, possibly. But to call most of what you hold against the game general "problems" is silly, considering how few people agree with you and actually enjoy it. Trust me, I know the game's faults, and half of what you complain about are either tiny, or not faults at all.
teruterubozu
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I propose that for every Official game thread, there should be an Official Hate thread created simultaneously.
Separate but equal :lol
GAF needs it badly.
Separate but equal :lol
GAF needs it badly.
Great post. I've been trying to say this all along but am worried about getting a trolling ban. I think apart from its art style, Okami has nothing on other games. It's gameplay, story and quest seem to be rather uninspired and just "cut/pasted" from other games in the genre. The gameplay is stale and easy, and overall the game seems uninspired. I think Capcom made the game, slapped a "Zelda Killer" tag on it to make it gather hype and then fired away. I don't think it has anything on Zelda in my honest opinion.
dynamitejim
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So do you hate most Zelda games as well? All those complaints could easily be lodged at those as well (if not more so). The only thing I'll agree on is that the dungeons aren't as substantial, but they're not that far off.
What are you hoping to accomplish, Himuro?
To make us call the game overrated? That's not going to happen.
To make people say the game, like all games, is not perfect? Okay.
To make certain that, like the other thread, your opinion seems more important than anyone else's and you have to beat everyone over the head with it relentlessly? Done.
I think Okami is great. If you can't understand that, welcome to Neogaf. It's really not that big a deal.
Did you know it can actually affect someone's enjoyment of a game if you keep bringing up flaws on the forums? That's why most people know that one time is sufficient.
To make us call the game overrated? That's not going to happen.
To make people say the game, like all games, is not perfect? Okay.
To make certain that, like the other thread, your opinion seems more important than anyone else's and you have to beat everyone over the head with it relentlessly? Done.
I think Okami is great. If you can't understand that, welcome to Neogaf. It's really not that big a deal.
Did you know it can actually affect someone's enjoyment of a game if you keep bringing up flaws on the forums? That's why most people know that one time is sufficient.
Himuro said:
Good job pointing out 1 of z dozen things. The hand holding is a slight let down, as is the difficulty as a whole, but you've made it seem FAR, FAR more of an issue than it really is.
That said, I'm done. You've proven your stance in the thread, and with the, uh, "points" you made with this thread. Enjoy your opinion, I'll enjoy my fantastic game.
Dragona Akehi
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If people can't come up with more than "YOU JUST HATE OKAMI" and cannot bring up valid counterpoints, don't bother posting.
Netrunner2k2
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Thanks for your view, Himuro. I am going to get it this week I think and now I'll know a little more of what to expect.
I'm not a big fan of reviews from IGN/Gamespot, etc. and certainly wouldn't go into a thread dedicated to the review looking for some objective opinions either, so this was good(to me).
I'm not a big fan of reviews from IGN/Gamespot, etc. and certainly wouldn't go into a thread dedicated to the review looking for some objective opinions either, so this was good(to me).
teruterubozu
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Mifune said:
It was hotly debated in the Official Okami thread...for whatever reason.
Dragona Akehi
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MoxManiac said:
To be fair, Cast is saying it's the best "Zelda" game ever, and we know how he feels about that sort of thing. (Of course, we also know how he feels about Nintendo.) I'm keeping my opinions neutral on the game until I play it.
Billy Rygar said:
Himuro and Amirox. The polar opposites. Too bad neither of them could accept that they have differing opinions and I don't know ... just move on, or something. Anything posted in that thread just got lost in a sea of arguing.
Suppose it's GAF and that's pretty much par for the course.
Dragona Akehi
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SnakeXs said:
Looks like you're doing the same thing. Move along.
TekunoRobby
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:lol This is going to be an epic Himuro vs. Amir0x battle.
Having put in some decent time into Okami I'm starting to see why this game definitely isn't GOTY material. I have to play a bit more get a good opinion however. Beautiful graphics though right now that's all I see that's outstanding. Watch the game explode into some uber experience after I start playing tonight, haha.
Having put in some decent time into Okami I'm starting to see why this game definitely isn't GOTY material. I have to play a bit more get a good opinion however. Beautiful graphics though right now that's all I see that's outstanding. Watch the game explode into some uber experience after I start playing tonight, haha.
Drinky Crow
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I ain't saying it's the best Zelda game ever -- cuz it isn't. It's just way, way better than Wind Waker. Better art direction; better graphics; better world design and mechanics; hell, better story and characterization. Nintendo wishes they made this game.
The devs themselves said in a recent EGM interview that Okami wouldn't work on the Wii -- while the paintbrush controls woulda been improved significantly, that's only a very secondary part of the overall gameplay mechanics, the rest of which they felt would've been HURT by the Wii controls.
CAPCOM > YOU
The devs themselves said in a recent EGM interview that Okami wouldn't work on the Wii -- while the paintbrush controls woulda been improved significantly, that's only a very secondary part of the overall gameplay mechanics, the rest of which they felt would've been HURT by the Wii controls.
CAPCOM > YOU
Dragona Akehi
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Drinky Crow said:
But what about dungeons? While I care for the other things, you and I both know story and characterizations are a moot point if there are no awesome dungeons, boss fights. I'm rather worried about the handholding. I HATE handholding.
Branduil said:
I'm just guessing here, but seeing as the Gamecube didn't have a launch game that couldn't be beaten in 8 hours or less, and the Wii seems to be a march further in the "accessible" direction, the chances of us getting an exclusive Wii game at launch (or anytime close) with any sort of meat on it are just about nil.
I disagree about Zelda. I think it's a GC game with Wii functionality tacked on.
Magicpaint
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I'm only 5 hrs into the game and I actually agree with some of Himuro's points. The handholding really needs to stop, I need to explore on my own and I actually want to be challenged on ocassion. Still the game has been great so far and feels totally inspired. I;ll probably keep it at that since I've barely scratched the surface.
Ghengis Cohen
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Well yes I should have mentioned that. And no I don't have a problem with this its a hell of a lot better than Ami and Himuro lobbing broadsides and inane Yakuza comparisons at each other. I do take issue with the term overrated since it is the height of pretense because it assumes your opinion is somehow more valid than others but oh well.SaitoH said:
I like relaxing games, and Okami is definitely that. That's the reason I like Nintendo games, because you're not being assaulted constantly.
And honestly, I don't mind being told how to do a puzzle either. I have very little time on my hands as it is, and traversing an entire world because I couldn't figure out something when I should be on the opposite end doing something is not my idea of fun.
Like I said before in the other thread, too much critical analysis is the death of a good gaming experience. The worst games have flaws that are inescapable, not little annoyances that could be seen as endearing by different eyes.
And honestly, I don't mind being told how to do a puzzle either. I have very little time on my hands as it is, and traversing an entire world because I couldn't figure out something when I should be on the opposite end doing something is not my idea of fun.
Like I said before in the other thread, too much critical analysis is the death of a good gaming experience. The worst games have flaws that are inescapable, not little annoyances that could be seen as endearing by different eyes.
I'm with Himuro on this one.
My initial impressions of it were very very positive, as it brings so many new and different things to the table. It's impossible not to be grinning from ear to ear as you play for the first couple of hours, but the patronizing handholding takes much of the problem solving fun away.
I still think it's a great game and is probably the most audacious achievment in artistic presentation of any videogame in recent memory. But it is too easy, and the battles are a mess. Less Issun and less blah-blah-blah would've made it more fun in my book. Heck just let me speed-read/skip any text instead of making some of them un-fastfowardable. I love the game, but it isn't perfect, and much of what it achieves isn't really in the game part of the game, if that makes any sense.
My initial impressions of it were very very positive, as it brings so many new and different things to the table. It's impossible not to be grinning from ear to ear as you play for the first couple of hours, but the patronizing handholding takes much of the problem solving fun away.
I still think it's a great game and is probably the most audacious achievment in artistic presentation of any videogame in recent memory. But it is too easy, and the battles are a mess. Less Issun and less blah-blah-blah would've made it more fun in my book. Heck just let me speed-read/skip any text instead of making some of them un-fastfowardable. I love the game, but it isn't perfect, and much of what it achieves isn't really in the game part of the game, if that makes any sense.
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