SCULLIBUNDO
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Still getting through it myself. Damn.
Still getting through it myself. Damn.
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Leaked profanity-laden emails and Hollywood accounting from The Walking Dead lawsuit
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Fixed2BeBroken
Member
Does Frank Darabont play Overwatch? seems like an Overwatch player.
also. AMC damn well know they hiding their money in accounting. Get Ben Affleck on the case
also. AMC damn well know they hiding their money in accounting. Get Ben Affleck on the case
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Daaaamn at the AMC president's rise in pay while they're saying the show made no profit lol.
Goddamn I hope Darabont gets paid.
Goddamn I hope Darabont gets paid.
ThLunarian
Member
This example looks particularly egregious, but large corporations do this kind of crap all the time. Numbers get shuffled around to get closest to what the executives want to hear, as long as it's within the confines of the law. Hollywood has a larger profile so that's why we know about it, but really all companies do it.
A major part of an accountant's job is to know how to legally manipulate the numbers to make the people in charge happy.
Monocle
Member
Can't blame Darabont at all. AMC fucked him hard. It's pretty messed up to sabotage a show and then fire its brainchild, the guy who has more right than anyone to want to keep the project on track. And then AMC had the balls to wag their finger at his tone.
I remember reading that the cast thought well of him and were surprised he was booted. Sounds like a clear cut case of profit and ego driven corporate fuckery to me.
I remember reading that the cast thought well of him and were surprised he was booted. Sounds like a clear cut case of profit and ego driven corporate fuckery to me.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Beyond the pilot, Darabont wasn't doing the show any favors.
Herr Schwarz
Banned
Suck it fat cats. I think it's bullshit that shit like this drags on.
Also please include quotes and other contextual info on the OP.
I hate threads that are just a link and a hot take
Also please include quotes and other contextual info on the OP.
I hate threads that are just a link and a hot take
you mean the bluprint for the entire run? c'mon now. darabont had the feel. after frank was pulled it just got boring
MisterFalcon
Member
I think this is just a new version of the old Coming to America lawsuit where someone is owed a part of the net profit of something and the studios make it seem like hugely successful movies made no money.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buchwald_v._Paramount
Napoleonthechimp
Member
From what I hear the director of a pilot get a chuck of the change for every episode thereafter. If AMC are using accounting wizardry to claim no profits up to 2015 then that may be a way of shortchanging him.
This type of accounting is only used for the purposes of residuals and royalties to third parties. The studios pay themselves certain fees and overhead, which will be considered profit for tax purposes, even if not for the purposes of determining residuals and royalties. The studios are mostly publicly listed companies that are incentivized to report maximum profits for their shareholders.
BlackLagoon
Member
As I recall, AMC pilots at the time were very well received and their existing shows like Mad Men were getting more expensive. So they ended up with more successful shows than they expected and could not afford to support them all. They had save money somewhere, and Walking Dead ended up getting the shortest straw and received a massive budget cut. Ended up with the infamous Farm season of TWD, and Darabont leaving in disgust over ACM treatment of the show.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Where AMC is at now in terms of budget for this show:
I give shit to TWD for sport, but there are some instances where the CG is on point.
Practical effects are usually very nice, too. It's the CGI that ranges from cool to outright abrasive to my eyes.
Re: Darabont. I really disliked his take on the show and I actually believe it improved after he left. That said, I also hope he gets paid. AMC looks pretty bad here.
Mac the KNife
Member
Get 'em, Frank. That lazy C-Cam Op probably had it coming as well.
cj_iwakura
Member
Agreed. Dropped the show like a bad habit after S1.
Razgriz-Specter
Member
Was going to have a spinoff for one.
That would have been a million times better that Fear The Walking Dead imo.
What is happening here? I see a cgi deer, I see Rick falling, I don't understand how the two are related. Are they even related? What?Where AMC is at now in terms of budget for this show:
I haven't seen this live, but from the gif, the deer appears to walk right over debris as if, you know, it doesn't exist in the scene.
Season 2-3 of The Walking Dead always felt like a Ponzi scheme to me. The show was such a huge success but they spent damn near two seasons walking around the same patch of woods or at the farmhouse. Felt like the budget was going everywhere but the show itself.
captjohnboyd
Member
You can clearly see a little hop where it hops over the debris.
this show sucks and I couldn't get past the first season even though I adored the comics
Zelenogorsk
Banned
I remember watching the first episode and being blown away. And then by the end of a six episode season 1 the show had turned to shit lol.
Yeah quite a bit. He was going to make a much larger and grandiose show with entire episodes devoted to side stories like the one random guy in the tank at the end of the episode 1 that would show the fall of Atlanta.
TheLostBigBoss
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Adam_Vania
Banned
what is it with writers? why do you think just because you wrote a story about zombies you are some brilliant person who deserves respect? why does this give you the right to talk to co-workers as if they are mongoloids?
This is pretty much my experience with TWD. The pilot ep is still one of my favorite tv episodes ever.
Nature of the beast for the zombie genre, start strong, then descends into people being stupid, and petty
Man, that would have been cool to see.
Sounds very much like what World War Z should have been, would have been cool.
Small clarification; Josh Sapan is the President/CEO of AMC Networks, not just AMC the channel which has its own President and GM that oversees operations and everything. AMC Networks is 5 different cable channels and a whole bunch of other holdings and international operations. Connecting his pay increase, which admittedly is pretty huge, to one show on one channel he operates is kind of stupid and pretty disingenuous on Darabont's part. AMC Networks over that same period went through rapid growth and development. They broke off from Cablevision and became independent and publicly traded, made several major acquisitions and grew a bunch along with the success of TWD. So there's a lot more going on there.
Darabont is probably more in the right than he is in the wrong when it comes to compensation, but man he doesn't make for a very compelling victim given his conduct. Not surprising relations weren't good and AMC booted him first chance they could. But in the end they need to be held to the contracts and compensation agreements they signed off on. Just wish it was for someone who doesn't appear to be a total asshole.
GavinUK86
Member
In one email, Darabont asked why camera operators were being paid when ”Ray Charles could operate better."
Darabont was on fire with those emails though.
Rick was going to shoot the deer for food, but it got startled by zombies, causing Rick to jump and break the wood he was leaning on, slipping off the roof and landing next to more zombies that were trapped underneath him.
It makes sense as you were watching the episode. Here, in a gif, not so much.
There's no doubt TWD is fantastic in a lot of scenes but then you get a few stinkers like this one where on a rewatch looks super dumb.
Darabont was on fire with those emails though.
Rick was going to shoot the deer for food, but it got startled by zombies, causing Rick to jump and break the wood he was leaning on, slipping off the roof and landing next to more zombies that were trapped underneath him.
It makes sense as you were watching the episode. Here, in a gif, not so much.
There's no doubt TWD is fantastic in a lot of scenes but then you get a few stinkers like this one where on a rewatch looks super dumb.
NealMcCauley
Member
The complaints are amazing if you imagine they're spoken by Byron Hadley.
Lucky Seven
Banned
I cant understand how AMC handled the show, and how they booted him off. It really is a terrible show, but Season 1 was promising. Cutting the budget is totally understandable, but that's not even the half of it.
BrutishMrFish
Member
It was really incredible and might have been the best pilot I had ever seen.
I was shocked by the drop in quality between that and the second episode.
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
Show needed a strong vision versus NEW HOME > TRIBAL FIGHT > GUESS WHO DIES THIS SEASON > NEW HOME loop
Kadayi
Banned
I think Darabont got royally screwed. He clearly didn't get the support he actually needed during the production and then got scapegoated as a result. Personally, I thought his take on the comic book series was pretty fresh, and a lot more grounded than Kirkman's and it was a shame to see them appoint him as showrunner.
deadscreensky
Member
No kidding.
It definitely sounds like AMC owes him money, but I also completely understand why you would want to fire somebody like that.