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Nirolak · Aug 11, 2011

It seems that Rage has a new buyer's incentive.

I wonder if this means all ZeniMax games will.

Eurogamer said:
Eurogamer: Everyone's messing around with Online Pass.

Tim Willits: We have the first-time buyer stuff with all the sewers. You've played Rage five times. Have you found any sewer hatches?

Eurogamer: I did, out in the Wasteland.

Tim Willits: If you bought the game new, that would be open for you. You still have to download it, but you don't have to pay for it. Those hatches are all over. Most people never find them. But as soon as you do, you're like, oh. And then you start to look for it. That's our first-time buyer incentive.

But as you can tell, most people never even see it. I can tell you, some people will buy Rage, download that, and still never set foot in those things. They just won't. I think that's fair. It's cool. It's outside the main path. We're not detracting from anything. But I know some consumers, when you can't avoid it, then you get a little touchy subject.

Source: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...g-rage-and-never-selling-out-interview?page=2

glaurung · Aug 11, 2011

Truant · Aug 11, 2011

Fair enough. It's side stuff, not a huge questline, party member or multiplayer. They have to protect their investment somehow.

foxdvd · Aug 11, 2011

I am just happy they are putting stuff in this game that encourages exploration...I wonder what is in these sewers...Loot?

Gravijah · Aug 11, 2011

foxdvd said:
I am just happy they are putting stuff in this game that encourages exploration...I wonder what is in these sewers...Loot?

probably shit

Dina · Aug 11, 2011

This is a really interesting take on the 'pass' system. You wouldn't know you missed a sewer if you walked over it (and didn't know it could be open).

flyinpiranha · Aug 11, 2011

That's a good idea.

snoopeasystreet · Aug 11, 2011

So 22gigs + a download?

Seems like a cool idea though.

glaurung · Aug 11, 2011

Gravijah said:
probably shit

If it is shit you can loot, I'm down with it.

Emitan · Aug 11, 2011

Sounds a lot better than other online passes, so I'm happy. But I still wish buyer's incentives didn't exist despite the fact I nearly always buy games new. But this is definitely an admirable way to do it.

SovanJedi · Aug 11, 2011

glaurung said:

Pay $10 secondhand or buy the game new for added Ninja Turtles. Everyone will want in on it then.

Reknoc · Aug 11, 2011

So the online pass unlocks a sewer level? Doesn't seem like much of an incentive! Might as well unlock an underwater level and an escort level while it's at it.

Zenith · Aug 11, 2011

Am I misreading this or are people actually happy that a game is sealing off singleplayer content unless you buy it breand new?

daviyoung · Aug 11, 2011

Zenith said:
Am I misreading this or are people actually happy that a game is sealing off singleplayer content unless you buy it breand new?

Seems like some people have misread this as a positive. I can't wait for more sewers for $15 DLC.

BarrenMind · Aug 11, 2011

I remember in Alex Navarro's preview he was discouraged by others from entering the sewers during his playtime. It could be that they wanted him to experience more substantial content in the three hours he was allotted, but I got the impression that it was actually because the areas were very difficult.

I like the idea of these being "challenge rooms" so to speak that get progressively harder as the game's general difficulty scales up.

Woo-Fu · Aug 11, 2011

If it is side content that nobody cares about that same set of nobodies aren't going to buy an online pass to get it after picking up the game used.

glaurung · Aug 11, 2011

Zenith said:
Am I misreading this or are people actually happy that a game is sealing off singleplayer content unless you buy it breand new?

That is indeed the case.

The contents of the aforementioned sewers is unknown.

fabricated backlash · Aug 11, 2011

Zenith said:
Am I misreading this or are people actually happy that a game is sealing off singleplayer content unless you buy it breand new?

A few years from now Ubisoft will be lauded as the messiah for introducing us to allways online DRM and for lowering expectations of PC gamers.

Enco · Aug 11, 2011

Seems kinda useless if most people won't see it?

What's up with game companies these days?

Awful CEs at ridiculous prices (Skyrim)
Awful DRM (Ubi, Blizzard and Id)
Awful updates (Sony with their latest sync firmware)

Emitan · Aug 11, 2011

Zenith said:
Am I misreading this or are people actually happy that a game is sealing off singleplayer content unless you buy it breand new?

If they're going to do new purchase only stuff I'd rather it be hard to reach optional stuff instead of removing multiplayer. I'd prefer that they don't do it at all but I doubt they're going to stop so this is the lesser of 2 evils.

daviyoung · Aug 11, 2011

boris feinbrand said:
A few years from now Ubisoft will be lauded as the messiah for introducing us to allways online DRM and for lowering expectations of PC gamers.

This is for all formats, like LA Noire's 'extra cases'.

raphier · Aug 11, 2011

Do they want me to play their game or not? Ok, no problem with that, I can easily buy something else, all you have to do is say.

foxdvd · Aug 11, 2011

Billychu said:
If they're going to do new purchase only stuff I'd rather it be hard to reach optional stuff instead of removing multiplayer. I'd prefer that they don't do it at all but I doubt they're going to stop so this is the lesser of 2 evils.

agreed...there is going to be a coop mode, and they could have just as easily removed the coop missions unless you bought it new or a pass..

These new-buy unlocks are happening....nothing is changing that..

So I go back to the fact that I like the idea that Rage has off the path exploration in it...

The M.O.B · Aug 11, 2011

Game looks great so I'll be buying it new anyways, and the extra stuff isn't like EA locking you out of online play or anything, it will probably be some hard enemies rooms with a lot of money or something in it.

fabricated backlash · Aug 11, 2011

daviyoung said:
This is for all formats, like LA Noire's 'extra cases'.

Do you really think that allways on DRM will be exclusive to the PC? Bethesda had similar DRM for all the Oblivion DLC on 360.

The future looks like a bright shining turd in regards of how publishers are milking customers for every last penny with intrusive shit and cut content.

BarrenMind · Aug 11, 2011

I don't really understand the fuss. Are many of you anticipating buying this game used down the line?

I'm not sure why people do that so often anymore. It seems to me that publishers are starting to get the picture, and drop prices on new games much more quickly than they used to. If, two months after release, you could buy Rage used from Gamestop for $35, or new from Amazon for $40 (which would include the download key for the additional content), would you still pick the used option to save a few bucks?

SmokyDave · Aug 11, 2011

Zenith said:
Am I misreading this or are people actually happy that a game is sealing off singleplayer content unless you buy it breand new?

Once people start to accept getting fucked, they're grateful for lube.

spoon! · Aug 11, 2011

Day 1.

Therefore, I don't give a fuck.

foxdvd · Aug 11, 2011

raphier said:
Do they want me to play their game or not? Ok, no problem with that, I can easily buy something else, all you have to do is say.

I am going out on a limb here and saying they don't want you to play the game...if you plan on renting it or buying used...

Of course, if you did buy it used or rented it...loved it...and talked all your friends into buying new copies.....???

companies are not looking at the big picture when it comes to used games sales, greed is blinding them...Does anyone doubt that used and rental copies of Borderlands helped move a LOT of new copies? Anyone doubt that used and rental copies of Gears 2 is helping Gears 3 become one of the best pre-ordered games in xbox history?

I have 3 good friends that all played Gears 2...I think 2 of them bought it used...all 4 of us are buying Gears 3 new....

Same thing with Borderlands 2...

rvy · Aug 11, 2011

But as you can tell, most people never even see it. I can tell you, some people will buy Rage, download that, and still never set foot in those things. They just won't. I think that's fair. It's cool. It's outside the main path. We're not detracting from anything.

I approve of this.

Suairyu · Aug 11, 2011

raphier said:
Do they want me to play their game or not? Ok, no problem with that, I can easily buy something else, all you have to do is say.

They want you to buy their game in a manner that they make some money from it. I hardly think that's an unfair expectation of theirs.

alr1ght · Aug 11, 2011

poke poke poke

it continues.

Nemesis_ · Aug 11, 2011

Zenith said:
Am I misreading this or are people actually happy that a game is sealing off singleplayer content unless you buy it breand new?

Double standards plague GAF. All the time.

I've always had no aversion to first buyer content so yeah, no biggie for me. This sounds less "intrusive" though

Lunchbox · Aug 11, 2011

Better than locking away multiplayer and stopping part of your userbase from playing the game, so theres less people to play with for the people who actually bought your game new

Fuck EA

Samus4145 · Aug 11, 2011

Locking out single player content is the new DRM. I can't say I approve

Ken · Aug 11, 2011

"Most will never see it" seems like a terrible justification for barring content, especially one that could promote hours of extra exploration of the world, from all players. If doors and zones not related to the main and sub-quest in Fallout 3 were locked out because I didn't have a special new copy pass, I'd never go off the track and deviate away from the mission tracker as there wouldn't be much point.

Soon hidden Easter Eggs are going to be a premium bonus for purchasers of new copies and players of used copies will have their screens blacked out and the sound muted until the Easter Egg is over/gone.

WanderingWind · Aug 11, 2011

Nirolak said:
It seems that Rage has a new buyer's incentive.

I wonder if this means all ZeniMax games will.

Source: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...g-rage-and-never-selling-out-interview?page=2

Wait, so a company is ADDING incentives to first time buyers, instead of stripping things out for everybody else? Wow. Awesome freakin' precedent. Though, I suppose it's the same thing, depending on your POV.

Hm. Is the glass half-empty or half-full?

*ponders*

Suairyu · Aug 11, 2011

I'm not saying you're wrong for thinking this, but I'm yet to see a single, well-reasoned argument as to why a company is bad for making content exclusive to people who buy brand new ie.actually support the developer.

The label 'anti-consumer' doesn't apply here because second-hand buyers are not direct consumers of the company's product. They are not the company's customers.

So, y'know, I'd like to just hear how people are equating this to DRM - something that does negatively impact the company's actual customers.

Ken said:
"Most will never see it" seems like a terrible justification for barring content, especially one that could promote hours of extra exploration of the world, from all players. If doors and zones not related to the main and sub-quest in Fallout 3 were locked out if I didn't have a special new copy pass, I'd never go off the track and deviate away from then mission tracker as there wouldn't be much point.

But as you're not actually the company's customer, why should they care about how you feel?

SneakyStephan · Aug 11, 2011

ITT second hand scrubs are still butt sore.
I agree fully with the duck above.

Once you are paying, then you have a right to complain.

Darklord · Aug 11, 2011

Zenith said:
Am I misreading this or are people actually happy that a game is sealing off singleplayer content unless you buy it breand new?

I see it the other way. People on here hate pirate but then are happy to save a few bucks and give none of it to the developers(basically how pirates are hurting them) and all to gamespot or some other shop. I buy all my games new so I don't care.

commissar · Aug 11, 2011

Enco said:
What's up with game companies these days?

Awful CEs at ridiculous prices (Skyrim)
Awful DRM (Ubi, Blizzard and Id)
Awful updates (Sony with their latest sync firmware)

That thread was not about Rage, but simply an opinion on the matter, no?

as far as I know id haven't implemented an always online DRM for Rage.

With respect to the OT, it seems fine I guess as I'll be there day one.
Better to be side content than multiplayer.

Would be nice if it was just on the damn disc though

54-46! · Aug 11, 2011

Hmm, I get the feeling that these are randomized dungeons without variety.

SmokyDave · Aug 11, 2011

SneakyStephan said:
ITT second hand scrubs are still butt sore.

Yup, people only ever get annoyed by things that directly affect them, you're correct. No such thing as 'principles'.

Reuenthal · Aug 11, 2011

I hope I can find some horsearmor in those sewers

glaurung · Aug 11, 2011

I wish the second hand peasants would be able to enter the sewers, but then the door/manhole cover would slide shut behind them, locking them in.

Then it is only a matter of time before the player character gets raped to death by giant mutant rats.

-tetsuo- · Aug 11, 2011

No problem with this. id has the possibility of making money off of each purchase after the first.

obonicus · Aug 11, 2011

Suairyu said:
The label 'anti-consumer' doesn't apply here because second-hand buyers are not direct consumers of the company's product. They are not the company's customers.

The anti-consumer label is bandied around as short-hand for 'whatever I don't like', so I wouldn't expect people to agree with you on this point.

-PXG- · Aug 11, 2011

So instead of locking out online content you're locking out offline content....

EDIT

Before people lable me as a "second hand scrub" or whatever, I by my games new. I only buy stuff second hand if it's an older titles.

daviyoung · Aug 11, 2011

boris feinbrand said:
Do you really think that allways on DRM will be exclusive to the PC? Bethesda had similar DRM for all the Oblivion DLC on 360.

The future looks like a bright shining turd in regards of how publishers are milking customers for every last penny with intrusive shit and cut content.

Oh, we're talking about the future?

It won't just be DRM, you'll have to pay for all content. Our consoles will be like arcade machines, except you have to swipe credit cards and vouchers in order for them to turn on for a set amount of time. Then for each $60 game you buy, there'll be $300 of pay-per-play content that you'll have to purchase to see its ending.

Every item and upgrade in your multiplayer game will need to be bought with cash and not just in-game upgrades.

But when the credits for games are 4 times longer than those for movies this is what you can expect.

Rollo Lawson · Aug 11, 2011

i prefer this over slapping on extra chapters

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