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Project CARS (crowdsourcing) racing sim by Slightly Mad Studios (fully funded 3.75M)
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Why would anyone vote for that? The fuck is wrong with people.
Gabe is already world president, we just haven't realized it yet.
TJP
Member
So very true. I've read many times members placing their ROI ahead of logic on the pCARS forums.
I voted for Steam too but expect SMS and the highest investors to do whatever they like.
Yeah it is BS. #teamnodrm
ConstructMe
Banned
Steam here.
As long as there's a way to keep illegal/pirated copies of the game away from online play I'll be happy. Not that I hate the idea of letting them play but in most cases those people are not very good at racing or are there to just grief everyone else.
I've also been thinking about the new Counter-Strike:GO Overwatch system (community based curation for hacking, griefing, etc) that could be adapted to pCARS. Basically if the game has account based multiplayer they could let people vote on punishments for griefers. There's already some people in the alpha griefing public races, stuff like parking you car sideways after a crest or ramming anyone trying to pass you.
I've also been thinking about the new Counter-Strike:GO Overwatch system (community based curation for hacking, griefing, etc) that could be adapted to pCARS. Basically if the game has account based multiplayer they could let people vote on punishments for griefers. There's already some people in the alpha griefing public races, stuff like parking you car sideways after a crest or ramming anyone trying to pass you.
Agree, same for me. Steam alone is not good enough, as it will allow all the pirates to ruin MP racing. So Steam + an additional verification for everything that already requires an internet connection (SMS verification server), MP/Coop/up-download files/etc., would be the best solution.
Pirates ruining multiplayer races aren't the problem, since even legitimate people who purchased the beta are able to do that, which is why presumably they've had the good/bad drivers threads and why they've introduced private lobbies.
People playing in privately arranged events is the safe way to do it, with possibly some sort of license rating down the road, though I rather imagine that if your license ever got bad and you got moved to say, the GRIEFER ZONE by false positives, no one would ever want to race with you so I don't know if you'd ever be able to move back.
Point is, some additional control rather than mere DRM is needed. The same problem has existed for ages on multiplayer shooter servers, and the best answer tends to be private servers or admins banning cheaters/griefers -- I suppose the license thing mostly comes up because griefing has more severe results in a high-speed race.
People playing in privately arranged events is the safe way to do it, with possibly some sort of license rating down the road, though I rather imagine that if your license ever got bad and you got moved to say, the GRIEFER ZONE by false positives, no one would ever want to race with you so I don't know if you'd ever be able to move back.
Point is, some additional control rather than mere DRM is needed. The same problem has existed for ages on multiplayer shooter servers, and the best answer tends to be private servers or admins banning cheaters/griefers -- I suppose the license thing mostly comes up because griefing has more severe results in a high-speed race.
les papillons sexuels
Banned
I love the double standards people have for steam.
Throwaway123456789
Member
There is a small video of the Wii U version of the game up on the eShop now. It's hidden inside an indie dev interview clip.
ConstructMe
Banned
For me it minimizes on launch and wont e open.
Metalmurphy
Member
There are I think 3 tracks in this build that cause issues with DX11 that work in DX 9 (Nordschleife and I think test track ans Suzuka). If it is not related to these two, delete your pCars folder, with the graphics settings files in it, in your "documents" folder.
Spam your "ALT-TAB" keys, if indeed you do use Logitech products (wheel/mouse/etc.) and running (starting) the Logitech Profiler before launching the game does not help.
@Blizzard, I do not disagree that there will always be people doing silly stuff online, but previous racing sims have shown that if people can create account after account, it will be far worse (SB on Steam for example). As a user you need to connect to the SMS lobby (server) anyway, so there is no downside to using this opportunity to verify if someone has a legit version of the game or not. (same for other SP functions, ghosts/leaderboards/coop/etc.).
Metalmurphy
Member
*edit* Nm, misread what you meant.
Ah, that would explain the crash I had last night when I tried to play Suzuka. I had been to several other tracks before then and it was working fine. Good to know.
People start doing strange things once they become afraid for their own money.I'll be voting for Steam too of course, thanks for the heads up.
People are in this for the money? I had forgot the fact that I might see a return if this thing succeeds.
Oh and I voted Steam because I don't want retail discs, odd installers I need to keep track of or all that annoying crap.
Big Takeover
Member
There are many people in it with four digits, and several with five.
How many here?
Big Takeover
Member
I think we've got a couple people here in it with a grand+. Not going to call them out though.
And we've got a lot more with much less in it and I'll bet you a lot of people aren't in this for the money. I personally just see it as a Kickstarter with my £100 and anything else is just a cherry on top. So saying everybody who votes Steam are very concerned about their money etc. is just pushing it a bit, in my opinion.
Big Takeover
Member
There's going to be a new round of funding for nextgen consoles (separate from the current deal) that may or may not include PC access. I'm sure you'll hear about it when it goes down.
Big Takeover
Member
Yeah, I definitely wouldn't say most people are concerned with the money. Steam is a very reasonable choice, however there are plenty of people who've voted for more extreme measures, and you've got to wonder where their motivation comes from.
That's not what I meant. Steam is the most reasonable and popular choice. I meant that voting for more extreme measures like always online or some of the other voting options might be silly.
Big Takeover
Member
We're not saying the same thing? Unless you're calling those people silly, and I'm doubting their motivations. I mean the vast majority voted for something I'd call reasonable, but more people voted for securom than no DRM at all. Maybe you're right. Maybe it's just jokers messing around.
ConstructMe
Banned
Thanks guys.
Wow. I'm in with a whopping 10 $. Can't wait to get 11 $ back in a couple of years
paperspace
Member
hey guys! you gone crazy or what??
you want this game to be a big success, right?
then let as many people possible play it. more will buy it this way, as long as it is good.
Sure about that? Being on Steam generates a lot of publicity.
first of all, I did not get in time to participate like you guys, therefore I can only know what you guys post here.
so, I thought this was for you to vote for anti-piracy method. thats why I said no drm at all.
I dont know what your options are regarding publicity, advertizing, distribution etc.
Steam itself is a form of DRM though...
Ian has a question for you all: pCARS platforms.
As PC gamer only I'm for dumping old gen and DX9 while we are at it, but I can see why someone else (other than Amar ) might see it differently. If so, make sure you get your voice heard on the WMD forum.
Ian Bell said:
As PC gamer only I'm for dumping old gen and DX9 while we are at it, but I can see why someone else (other than Amar
) might see it differently. If so, make sure you get your voice heard on the WMD forum.
TJP
Member
Ian Bell was adamant there was a lot of money to be made at the end of the console life cycle...although the other SMS employees make valid arguments for switching to PS4 and Xbox One.
Hopefully the poll Ian mentioned will be posted soon. Sorry Jamesways, I voted to end current gen development.
Hopefully the poll Ian mentioned will be posted soon. Sorry Jamesways, I voted to end current gen development.
i would hope they havent spent a lot of resources on the current gen games if they are scrapping them in favor of next gen...
with that said, i think they could make a splash if they release a quality product early in a new consoles life. also, i'd sure as hell buy this for whichever next gen system i purchase
with that said, i think they could make a splash if they release a quality product early in a new consoles life. also, i'd sure as hell buy this for whichever next gen system i purchase
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
I hope this happens ASAP,
Big Takeover
Member
Ian has a question for you all: pCARS platforms.
As PC gamer only I'm for dumping old gen and DX9 while we are at it, but I can see why someone else (other than Amar
I think GT6 will soak up all current gen racing dollars from the market. Next gen seems to make more sense. There will be an opportunity to make a splash because there's always a post-launch void where there's a lot of hunger for games.
Financially? It's almost impossible to comment really. A big publisher willing to spend some advertising dollars could have milked some money from the legacy consoles, but it appears now that no such deal was ever in place. I don't know what to make of that really.
The 35% split, I don't know. I'm not in it beyond the cost of a copy, so I'm not sweating those terms. I'm sure there will be further analysis of that.
As PC gamer only I'm for dumping old gen and DX9 while we are at it, but I can see why someone else (other than Amar
I will certainly have an elaborate on this bit later. Thank you for the insight Markao.
On the other hand, later today I will post a big Interview I made with Ian Bell, Andy Garton and Ivo Franic from Slightly Mad Studios for May issue of Croatian Reboot Magazine.
We covered a huge, 12-pages special about pCARS and thanks to Ivo we got a chance to talk with Ian and Andy about various details of pCARS project.
I will be posting the interview in full - the published print-edition was shortened - and I hope you will find it interesting.
Original of the interview will also be exclusively published online today on my GTSurgeons.com community, but I will also post it here because I am not dying for traffic and some of my members (I am looking at you Three60) would probably just C/P it here - so I will save them the hussle
Regs.