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AMD: Nvidia's stance on consoles "seems like sour grapes"
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Crimson_Gold
Member
Or the RSX debacle
overconfidence
Banned
wait, what?
SolidSnakex
Member
Sony also got fucked over by Nvidia. The PS3's weak link was its GPU.
I still don't know of any device using the Tegra 4 other than SHIELD.
I also had a WTF moment when I found out the shield uses active cooling. It has a tiny fan cooling the chip.
They fucked Sony too, they over promised and under delivered on RSX. Cell had to pick up the slack due to shitty GPU.
TheBioLover
Member
Hahahah, even AMD thinks Nvidia are salty.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
Who knew that screwing over two of the biggest console makers could be bad for business?
nah you mean after they fucked Sony. lol
They fixed the price on the GPUs and they under delivered. lol
Benefit to AMD: mass market, money for doing NOTHING after the launches
Benefit to console makers: price flexibility
Benefit to consumers: cheaper consoles
Lower margin, sure. But they will be reaching far more homes.
If it pulls AMD back out of the gutter, I am willing to bet nvidia and Intel will start using the same license approach
The Bookerman
Member
Nvidia had their chance with the RSX and they blew it.
And Nvidia fucked Microsoft with their agreement over OG Xbox.
And Nvidia fucked Microsoft with their agreement over OG Xbox.
RealityPales
Member
What happened exactly? I'm not familiar with the falling out.
It is a lot more than that. Almost every new game will be created on AMD hardware. That is real win for AMD. They have PR ace on their hand for common people and they are already using it for promotion.
IT is not like Nvidia didn't want to do it. They didn't have SOC tech. They could provide separate GPU but console maker then would need to design console with two separate CPU and GPU and only AMD had everything on one die.
No matter what Nvidia would prepare for new consoles AMD would beat it with price (because SOC is a lot cheaper than GPU+CPU combo).
Not hard to imagine why MS and Sony would be equally wary of nVidia by this point. Good on AMD for getting in on the action, too.
Now where have I heard that one before...
Now where have I heard that one before...
MS wanted to keep price competitive with PS2 but Nvidia refused to lower the cost of the GPUs. Nvidia is the sole reason Xbox 1 died a very swift death.
phosphor112
Banned
He's right. Many also already pointed out that nVidia fucked over the big two. I don't see them going with nVidia ever again.
The Bookerman
Member
Their agreement with Microsoft gave me Nforce motherboards and a good GPU(a hybrid Geforce 2/3)
I can't hate them for that.
Can anyone explain the RSX debacle, to some one who wasn't paying attention to what was going on earlier in this generation? A link with info will be fine.
Lagspike_exe
Member
You're wrong. The inability to lower the price of the HDD was also the issue. That's why X360 launched with an SKU without one in the first place.
Guerrillas in the Mist
Member
I'm pretty sure MS mucked up in their rush to put together the first Xbox, meaning that Nvidia could take them for a ride when it came to cost of the Xbox's GPU long after it came out.
Intel? They still cash in for billions on their laptop CPU's. AMD is not even close to competing on the mobile CPU market with Intel, and the next-gen consoles aren't changing a fact about that.
But it was probably a wise decision for their GPU devision, we'll just have to wait a few years to see how it'll work out.
PairOfFilthySocks
Member
Nvidia is rolling in money from their PC business alone. They give zero fucks.
Not really. OG Xbox could source parts from other manufacturers. HDD couldn't scale in price and ended up becoming more expensive. They could have used newer drives.
But that wasn't the big issue... The GPU wasn't scaling in price and nvidia was rolling in large margins.
Let's stop with this " They don't care"
Intel or Nvidia do care about it. This is lost profit. Having $20mln and not having $20mln is both $40mln
If they would "give zero fucks" then they would behave like IBM.
Truespeed
Member
I think it was more of a IP licensing issue. AMD was fine with signing over the IP, Nvidia was not.
The basic gist was this:
They oversold the power of the GPU to Sony. They were promised a much more powerful GPU than MS, but Nvidia underdelivered, and Nvidia sold the GPU to the public (and Sony I believe, since it is still in their spec sheet) using unrealistic math promising the RSX to be 1.8 TFLOP, which is, of course, pure nonsense (the PS4's GPU is 1.8 TFLOP in comparison).
You have some source or rumor or you are just making things up ?
I am talking about price to hardware ratio because it is rational but your argument need some source to be rational.
CharmingCharlie
Member
Hm AMD giving business advice. Hands up all those GPU manufacturers that had to be bought out by a cpu company because they were failing badly.
So if Nvidia are salty I am sure they are enjoying being salty on the huge pile of money that PC gamers keep giving Nvidia instead of giving it to AMD.
So if Nvidia are salty I am sure they are enjoying being salty on the huge pile of money that PC gamers keep giving Nvidia instead of giving it to AMD.
PairOfFilthySocks
Member
Let's stop with this " They don't care"
Intel or Nvidia do care about it. This is lost profit. Having $20mln and not having $20mln is both $40mln
If they would "give zero fucks" then they would behave like IBM.
Anything a company decides not to invest in could be considered "lost profit". As it stands, they weighed up their options: compete with AMD to secure console hardware contracts-a significant investment, or continue to focus on their PC GPU work that has brought them redonckulous amounts of money. Evidently, they chose the latter. The "saltiness" is just pro-PC PR, it's all just business at the end of the day.
Is AMD even in the smartphone space?!
dragonflys545
Member
What kind of company would give zero fucks for money? LOL you are a funny man!
iamshadowlark
Banned
This is all anyone has been trying to say. Or is it coincidence that after about ten or so years of failing in the console business that they now try they're best to come off as above it.
I believe that this was a little bit different than that. Nvidia did deliver more raw powerful hardware but AMD deliver in newer technology thus being better because for same things it would less power. AMD delivered first GPU with unified shaders where Nvidia GPU was standard just powerful GPU.
I think most of problems did come from Sony though. Remember that PS3 at first supposed to be 2xCELL but they revised that stupid idea and also due to production issues only 7 SPUs were working from 8. Imo Nvidia GPU was something that came late in development of PS3 where they tried to fix early design thus giving it not special GPU just powerful.
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NinjaFridge
Unconfirmed Member
Speaking of salt...
Truespeed
Member
What part of "I think" didn't you understand?
Do you have proof of this or are you just making things up?
Do you have proof of this or are you just making things up?
Do you have proof of this or are you just making things up?
Do you have proof of this or are you just making things up?
legacyzero
Banned
Sorry Nvidia.
Poetic.Injustice
Member
Speaking as someone who owns an Nvidia card, Good for AMD. I don't want Nvidia to have a monopoly in the GPU market. That would be horrendous for consumers.
PairOfFilthySocks
Member
Get involved in console contracts, or continue making $1000 GPUs that nutjobs buy in droves? I know where I'd put my money.
:lol I'm loving all of the posts like this one.
iamvin22
Industry Verified
Haha first post nailed it as always.
iamshadowlark
Banned
Nvidia still hasn't even launched a full size commercial SoC design. It's no secret that they haven't invested much at all in the technology. Part of the difficulty of designing a APU like part is that they can't also design a capable CPU. They would have to bring in someone like IBM or ARM.
They didn't and still don't have the tech.