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TheRedSnifit · Sep 30, 2013

Now, bear with me here. It's really late.

I predict that 3D World is going to be essentially a call-back to Mario 2. For one, Peach is playable, meaning that now we have the whole cast of Mario 2 characters. But look at this:

No, not at the giant Yoshi. Look closer:

Unless Im way off, I think Nintendo has brought back one of the most obscure characters in the history of the Mario games. Remember those wacky fairy things that you rescue in Mario 2?

Is it a coincidence? We'll find out if Im right soon enough, but for now Im just happy thinking someone at Nintendo might feel as strongly about Super Mario Bros. 2 as I do. And thats gratifying enough: just the possibility that Im being catered to, that someone else still remembers these obscure characters that meant a lot to me back when I was a kid and maybe still do.

Credit goes to this guy: http://www.backofthecerealbox.com/2013/09/super-mario-3d-world-super-mario-bros-2-subcon.html#more

Shinta · Sep 30, 2013

It's possible. They mentioned Mario 2 as inspiration for some of the new gameplay elements in Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze; pulling objects up from the ground.

What a fantastic year for platformers ... I need a Wii U.

ElectricKaibutsu · Sep 30, 2013

Nice catch, OP!

MrSaturn99 · Sep 30, 2013

Didn't Nintendo already confirm this? I could've sworn they said that's why Toad was blue in this one.

hatchx · Sep 30, 2013

I wonder if radish-picking will make a reappearance.

deddonpachi · Sep 30, 2013

goty! i hope they bring back those stalking masks

eu/us mario 2 > jpn mario 2 imho

Conezays · Sep 30, 2013

I love Mario 2! If the game is half as good I'd be a happy camper. Fingers crossed the game delivers.

Anth0ny · Sep 30, 2013

so it's all a dream

BowieZ · Sep 30, 2013

True test will be if there is any of this:

- Wart
- Birdo, Red Birdo, Green Birdo and flying eggs
- Phantos and keys
- vases
- magic potions leading to doors (leading to the reverse world)
- turnips, radishes, pumpkins
- Mouser, Fryguy, Tryclyde, Clawgrip, and Robirdo

Wario64 · Sep 30, 2013

So you didn't really predict it

Lijik · Sep 30, 2013

i predict the final castle will have you face Wart, but when you beat him- wuh OH the world map reveals the path to the REAL final castle where you fight Bowser, who will first act like the SMB1 boss fight but UH woh when you beat him theres a second phase where he's giant or some shit.

Mr. F · Sep 30, 2013

I said this in the original reveal thread, but man do I love those old-school character portraits. Looks like they'd be right at home on the side of an arcade cabinet.

Dimitri LH · Sep 30, 2013

I dint even notice the fairy. Good find OP

BorkBork · Sep 30, 2013

I want vegetables. Lots of vegetables.

Earthpainting · Sep 30, 2013

I'd be so down with bringing back Phantos.

Lindsey Lohan · Sep 30, 2013

Super Bing Bong Bros. 2!!!

CamHostage · Sep 30, 2013

Excellent discovery! The connection to SMB 2 USA was clear from the beginning with the four-character cast (which I'm still disappointed they didn't do in NSMB, the two colored toads were a waste but this game's proper implementation might actually make up for it,) but I don't know that I really put thought into actual story elements or other aspects of SMB 2 in the game being a possibility. I hoped and hoped for so long for the return of Wart and I never got it, so I'm not holding all of my hopes against Mario 3D World having that (because it looks fun either way and I don't want to build up nerd-rage for no reason,) but if Nintendo actually did make the callback, I'd be so happy...

revolverjgw · Sep 30, 2013

It's nice to see references and callbacks to it, but I want a fullblown revisit to Subcon, with a return of vegetable warfare. It's just exotic and weird and mysterious.

boyshine · Sep 30, 2013

I called this the day of the reveal based off the artwork used for the player HUD. Wart is back.

lazybones18 · Sep 30, 2013

Bring back Wart already

Notorious_Roy · Sep 30, 2013

If it's true, I don't wanna know. So, no trailers, screenshots or thread titles mentioning Wart. Thank you.

PolyphonicBoy · Sep 30, 2013

It's pretty self evident TBH.

More connections here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r35jIabpO2M

Oblivion · Sep 30, 2013

I really like SMB2, but I hope you're wrong.

Mael · Sep 30, 2013

Nice catch OP!

BowieZ said:
True test will be if there is any of this:

- Wart
- Birdo, Red Birdo, Green Birdo and flying eggs
- Phantos and keys
- vases
- magic potions leading to doors (leading to the reverse world)
- turnips, radishes, pumpkins
- Mouser, Fryguy, Tryclyde, Clawgrip, and Robirdo

Wart is like Kraid, we always expect him to come back but he never does....

Oblivion · Sep 30, 2013

Mael said:
Wart is like Kraid, we always expect him to come back but he never does....

Wart doesn't need to come back. Ever.

Mael · Sep 30, 2013

Oblivion said:
Wart doesn't need to come back. Ever.

Let's be real never did Kraid either....
But Wart wasn't so bad to fight and he was a nice change to the usual Bowser so yeah

KHlover · Sep 30, 2013

Well, they ARE using SMB2 mechanics (the character abilities) and character portraits in this game. Definitely possible.

TheCongressman1 · Sep 30, 2013

I love the designs and style that came from Mario 2, so I'd love to see some of that return. Maybe we'll get to throw some vegetables again?

IAmMonodi · Sep 30, 2013

GIVE US WARRRTTTTTT

What The Forest Taught Me · Sep 30, 2013

BowieZ said:
True test will be if there is any of this:

- Wart
- Birdo, Red Birdo, Green Birdo and flying eggs
- Phantos and keys
- vases
- magic potions leading to doors (leading to the reverse world)
- turnips, radishes, pumpkins
- Mouser, Fryguy, Tryclyde, Clawgrip, and Robirdo

Many would love to see this. Some cameos from the Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door universe would also be welcome.

IAmMonodi · Sep 30, 2013

Snake Man Stage On Loop said:
Some cameos from the Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door universe would also be welcome.

Not that I don't want this, but what makes you think it could be possible?

What The Forest Taught Me · Sep 30, 2013

revolverjgw said:
It's nice to see references and callbacks to it, but I want a fullblown revisit to Subcon, with a return of vegetable warfare. It's just exotic and weird and mysterious.

I'd love to see a return to Subcon as well. SMB2 had some of the more unique characters in the series. I liked how TYD went in the artistic direction of SMB2 in some ways.

Shiggy · Sep 30, 2013

I predict it will be a damn great game that makes me want to buy a Wii U.

DXB-KNIGHT · Sep 30, 2013

If no Wart and Phantos in this game this call-back means nothing.

masud · Sep 30, 2013

This thread is not gonna be about what you thought it was gonna be about... But yeah hopefully we'll get more info on the game tomorrow.

What The Forest Taught Me · Sep 30, 2013

IAmMonodi said:
Not that I don't want this, but what makes you think it could be possible?

While none of the current promotional content for SM3DW indicates any possibility for such cameos, I would be happy to see some.

DukeTogo1300 · Sep 30, 2013

Yeah, Wart and his minions would be a welcome change. The banter we keep getting from Bowser is so many layers of parody, N knows it's tired.

There were some interesting things from 2 that need to be explored, the mushroom kingdom needs a rest.

morikaze · Sep 30, 2013

Duh? There's also the item picking up and throwing mechanics.

Monty Mole · Sep 30, 2013

Played this at EG Expo and sooo good. Hyped!

Anticitizen One · Sep 30, 2013

I'd only be interested if Wart was the final boss. I'm sick of King Koopa

Porcile · Sep 30, 2013

Those character portraits are brilliant!

revolverjgw · Sep 30, 2013

Snake Man Stage On Loop said:
I'd love to see a return to Subcon as well. SMB2 had some of the more unique characters in the series. I liked how TYD went in the artistic direction of SMB2 in some ways.

Between the mysteriously disguised enemies (what the fuck do they look like?!) and the swallowing bird door that betrays you and the giant steel torture towers with chains and the spooky silhouetted dark world and the FUCKING homicidal mask and even just the way familiar elements were used in unfamiliar ways, I always thought there was something unsettling about this game. Even the slot machine creeped me out. I have no idea why.

Also wish they used more of its characters in mainline platforming games. Shy Guys are so underused. I think only Bob-Omb really transitioned over to being a mainstay in the "real world" Marioverse.

Foffy · Sep 30, 2013

Anth0ny said:
so it's all a dream

B-but it's a dream world.

Now, if we only had Wario dropping buckets on the character's head..then we'd be hitting obscure references.

NEO0MJ · Sep 30, 2013

revolverjgw said:
Also wish they used more of its characters in mainline platforming games. Shy Guys are so underused. I think only Bob-Omb really transitioned over to being a mainstay in the "real world" Marioverse.

Shy Guys became the Goombas of Yoshi games, so that's why they're uncommon in Mario games outside of RPGs.

RagnarokX · Sep 30, 2013

revolverjgw said:
Between the mysteriously disguised enemies (what the fuck do they look like?!) and the swallowing bird door that betrays you and the giant steel torture towers with chains and the spooky silhouetted dark world and the FUCKING homicidal mask and even just the way familiar elements were used in unfamiliar ways, I always thought there was something unsettling about this game. Even the slot machine creeped me out. I have no idea why.

Also wish they used more of its characters in mainline platforming games. Shy Guys are so underused. I think only Bob-Omb really transitioned over to being a mainstay in the "real world" Marioverse.

Pokeys

Anticitizen One · Sep 30, 2013

How comes Wario is never in a main Mario game as an enemy/boss fight? I always thought that was stupid. I know he first appeared in Super Mario Land 2 but since then he's never been in a Mario game even though the company pushes him as a major Nintendo character.

RagnarokX · Sep 30, 2013

Anticitizen One said:
How comes Wario is never in a main Mario game as an enemy/boss fight? I always thought that was stupid. I know he first appeared in Super Mario Land 2 but since then he's never been in a Mario game even though the company pushes him as a major Nintendo character.

Super Mario 64 DS? Yoshi's Island DS? Wario isn't much of a villain. He's more of an antihero or rival.

Foffy · Sep 30, 2013

Anticitizen One said:
How comes Wario is never in a main Mario game as an enemy/boss fight? I always thought that was stupid. I know he first appeared in Super Mario Land 2 but since then he's never been in a Mario game even though the company pushes him as a major Nintendo character.

He's in Yoshi's Island DS and the DS remake of SM64, as someone already mentioned. If you consider the Yoshi series to be separate, he's at least in a remake of a "main" game.

I'd lament more over Waluigi. His biggest role in a Mario game was a fucking DDR title.

Kyzer · Sep 30, 2013

Isnt that thing in mario n luigi dream team?

Sixfortyfive · Sep 30, 2013

You're kind of late on this "prediction," OP, but yes, I too am looking forward to the return of some pleasant SMB2 USA trappings in a game that hopefully won't be as dull as SMB2 USA was.

Notorious_Roy said:
If it's true, I don't wanna know. So, no trailers, screenshots or thread titles mentioning Wart. Thank you.

Well I suppose you're lucky that Nintendo "forgot this game existed." At least according to GAF.

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