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Ninja Theory helping on Disney Infinity
- Thread starter JehutyRunner
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If the original DMCs are considered Kobe Beef, you don't love yourself enough.
Kobe beef is soft as heck though, it's for people with no teeth.
Monocle
Member
I'm talking about a scale for action game quality here, not luxuries that encompass everything life has to offer.
unholyrevenger72
Banned
False analogy, you can still make a good burger with generic ingredients and you can make a bad burger with Kobe Beef
Monocle
Member
It's not a false analogy just because you can nitpick it to death.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
I see the NT hate train has arrived, don't you guys ever sleep?
unholyrevenger72
Banned
It is a false analogy. I didn't nitpick anything. It doesn't matter what ingredients you use as compared to how the ingredients are used.
Ploid 3.0
Member
Disney just need to get it's own dev studio and go to town. Maybe borrow some Pixar potential people. Disney should be all up in the gaming industry and they can do some good stuff with Marvel games while they are at it. They could have some good synergy, though they do already work very closely with devs they have doing things as it is, giving them movie 3d assets for characters and such.
FunkyLounge
Member
That is absolutely OK, as an independent tudio, they need to make money with sideprojects like this. If that helps them stay successfully independent and do everything they want - everybody wins.
Booker Dewitt
Member
Sounds cool, Ninja Theory isn't the best in the biz, but even Enslaved's combat is a step up from the three-hit combo that was the entire combat system in the first Infinity. And if they have different studios working on different figures, obvious to infer that the figures may play pretty differently from others, which is awesome.
jediyoshi
Member
It is since the entire crux of it is the idea that quality is inherent to either option or one is objectively preferably, unless your original premise was deliberately completely muddy.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
It's about the extent their combat experience amounts to so it fits.
Samir Sedlar
Member
Good for Ninja Theory, hopefully the other projects they are working on isn't just collaborations, I wonder if a new Star Wars by Ninja Theory could be in the work, The Force Unleashed 3, maybe?.
You think Ninja Theory are working on anything on their own -not collaboration/assisting-?
I always confuse them with Avalanche Studios (Just Cause -- Mad Max)
Glad somebody said it, what were they thinking lol
Jimmyfenix
Member
So I guess you have not played From Software's best PS2 game The adventures of cookie and cream?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n09r7VB_BZE
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
No, the NT that developed DmC fully and only had 10 people from Capcom come in for a few hours once every month for review. People seem to be completely misinformed about how much actual dev time capcom put into the game compared to NT. But no no ignore all that and don't bother checking facts.
Read what Itsuno said about DmC development.
You people are genuine idiots if you actually think that Ninja Theory are bad at combat. There is an infinite list of games with combat not even half as good as NT's output but you keep spouting this deluded elitist nonsense and putting down a talented team that puts a lot of effort into their games.
Ninja Theory has three games that have terrible combat before DmC released. While an improvement DmC still has a lot of issues. I cannot with good faith say that NT are good with combat just because one game washes away their reputation.
They do put in effort. Just not in combat.
Im just sick of people putting them down after the DMC debacle, they got contracted to do a job and they did it to the best of their abilities. It may not have turned out as well as previous games in the series but they made a good game and do not deserve the venom they get.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
DmC has an 86 metacritic score and there isn't a developer outside of Japan that is better than them in that area. This Ninja Theory hate that takes over every thread needs to fucking stop.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Vigil.
Sony Santa monica.
Arguably mercury steam without capcoms help.
Fuck a metacritic. Last time I checked, they didnt grade combat systems in reviews.
As someone who prefers the original series (well, other than DMC2) over DmC I have to agree with this. DmC wasn't a terrible game. Sure the gameplay was weaker to me than DMC1, 3 and 4 but it was still a good game. Just not amazing like 1, 3 and 4.
I hope that Hellblade is a good game where they put what they learned from DmC to good use (just please no colour coded enemies. That was crap in DmC).
BronsonLee
Member
If you're making a goddamn hamburger with Kobe Beef, I want to fight you
Wolf Akela
Member
Ninja Theory hate brigade. Not surprised.
Actually just a DmC hate brigade. You guys should hate Capcom, not NT. Capcom told NT to make things different when NT showed a very conservative pitch.
NT is perfectly capable at combat. Not every game is measured by "every combat below DMC4 is shit". Let it go already.
Actually just a DmC hate brigade. You guys should hate Capcom, not NT. Capcom told NT to make things different when NT showed a very conservative pitch.
NT is perfectly capable at combat. Not every game is measured by "every combat below DMC4 is shit". Let it go already.
DmC has better combat than either LoS game and any GoW game. Darksiders II is up for debate, but I put DmC above that too.
It's amazing to me that this game keeps getting all this unwarranted hate.
Glass Rebel
Member
I really don't see the point of hiring someone specifically to design some characters because of their "combat experience" for Disney Infinity. NT isn't going to design some DmC style movesets for this game.
When they have Itsuno helping them, sure.
When they have Itsuno helping them, sure.
Neff
Member
No way.
Yo! It is not perfect, so it has to be shit.
This is the reasoning. And I am not joking around.
It was fine guys to bash DmC in the principle of it being "held to a higher standard" (because it beared the name Devil May Cry with it), but yeah, two problems here:
a. Making of DmC just put Ninja Theory on top of the western fighting genre
b. Disney Infinity as a name lacks the title "DMC" on it. So....yeah. Your problems with DmC being a DMC game is pretty much irrelevant here.
Easily.
They got what they deserved. Shitting on the fanbase, removing key components of DMC's combat like auto lock, color codes bullshit--DmC is a good game, but it's a mediocre DMC entry.
Vigil.
Yeah that's true. DmC is the pinnacle of western character action games.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Why don't you? We have tons of articles from both parties stating that they enjoyed working with each other. And NT still developed the majority of the game with capcom visiting once each month. Working full time, five days a week for three years. You can't twist this into capcom making the bulk of the game or being the reason the combat is good. Sorry.
Baron von Loathsome
Member
I know that's a jab, but that's probably why they were picked. Ninja Theory's style of combat fits Disney Infinity better than pretty much any other notable character action/spectacle fighter game.
Acquiescence
Member
How surprising. Another Ninja Theory thread turned to shit because bitter dmc fans can't let go of the fact that Capcom came calling and a developer had the audacity to accept their offer. It doesn't matter what the thread is related to, if it has Ninja Theory in the title then the same people will use it as an excuse to vent.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
"Without capcoms help"
Darksider 2 is has better combat, GOW3 is a better overall package.
My point still stands. Whether you personally think the game is great is not the point.
NT is not the premier western action dev. Not even close.
And the "hate" comes from them over exaggerating their acheivements. If they said they were brought in because the ship on time and on budget, nobody would of said a word.
If they said they were brought in because they have a better grasp on narrative than most action developers, nobody would say a word, even if the writing for DmC sucked.
But they tried to exaggerate their combat chops (why on earth it is even relevant for DI game is beyond me) which is why people are bring up DmC and their flaws making it.
They brought up juggles for fucks sake. Two of their games didnt even have a jump button.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
It's so ridiculous that this happens in nearly every NT thread. Ugh..there comes a point where we GET IT, there's no point in wasting your time to complain about games generally considered to be good at every single turn, especially when the topic has nothing to do with what you're complaining about.
UltraGunner
Banned
Every game they've made up to DmC had awful combat, and all DmC proved was how they were able not to shit themselves vy following the orders of someone who actually can make a combat system. I mean they still shit themselves, but not nearly as much than if they made it all by themselves.
Valjean Lafitte
Banned
Heavenly Sword and Enslaved had awful combat? Simple, sure, but awful? Come on.
For Americans this would be the same thing
I suppose this could be pretty cool would've been nice if they had done Iron Fist or Shang Chi though.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Will simplistic, laggy and boring do?
I can see where the complaints are coming from. I mean I can definitely imagine that the deep, complex, rewarding combat of Disney Infinity is going to be ruined in exactly the same way that DMC was. If Disney was going to outsource this they should have given it to a developer who knows what they're doing and who could maintain the extremely high level of depth and complexity that the series is known for, such as Platinum Games.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
No ones complaining. This is a good job for NT. Just dont insult our intelligence by firstly saying you have combat expertise worth mentioning and secondly that your expertise is going to be used in a meaningful way for princess jasmine. Come on.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
So who're you to decide that their combat expertise aren't worth mentioning. Not sure that Disney said "hmmm, your trustyle tournaments aren't hardcore enough for us guys." Jesus christ. You guys are judging without even seeing the result.
The DmC hate has become unbearable. I think everybody "got it" by now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyaYDROciCw
They announced Hellblade at E3:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyaYDROciCw
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Honestly, what are you expecting from this?
They are not even building the combat system for the full game. Just the movesets for 4 characters. Be rational.
If ninja theory want to prove the doubters wrong, hellblade is the avenue to do so.
I see no reason to make this out to be anything else than it is:- a side projects to help pay the bills. If you think some Disney exec was playing DmC and cried out "we need ninja theory!!" You are deluding yourself.
So yes. Pointing your so-called "combat expertise" when you are doing grunt work for a Disney Infinity game is not relevant.