Barry Lightning
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PS3 Tard pack = No wifi + No HDMI + No MemoryStick /SD/CompactFlash
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Halcyon-banned
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squicken said:
Considering that the PS3 will be supporting all this through software, it will be added if it is needed.
MetalAlien
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Pimpwerx said:
Seven supported but maybe only 4 realistic?
Suikoguy said:
It's not so much innovation but having the good sense and fair play not to so blatantly steal other companies shit. Nintendo is quite clearly an innovator, but I think Microsoft (while no innovator) did quite a decent job with online console gaming and really pushed the envelope in that regard. The Xbox360 dash is also quite a nice evolutionary step forward too.
But wait here comes idea-less Sony XBLA? Yoink well steal that and the dashboard button too. WiiMote? Oh well knock that off an call it our innovation. And theyve been doing this shit for years too, rumble, analogue etc. Fuck them.
SuperPac
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Pimpbaa said:Yes, I see now. For the amount of crap gutted out, should have been more than 100 bucks difference
Well they're clearly losing the biggest amount of money on the $599 high-end machine. They probably expect--rightfully so--most people to buy the cheaper one, while still being able to say "Hey, we have 1080p, Wifi and memory stick included in the box! Beat that, jerkwads!"
What I'd like to know is, what's the breakdown on how many of each configuration will be made available for launch? Now that you've got two completely different machines (and let's face it, there's more difference here than between the 360 Core and Premium), there are gonna be even FEWER "real" PS3s available at launch. That's if the high-end PS3 even sticks around, because I feel like most of the country will buy the cheaper one of this machine. It's not like the Core where you expect the lower-priced gimped unit to eventually go away. I fear this one's here to stay.
there are FOUR lights!!
I agree it probably goes 1,2,3,4 then 1+2, 1+3, 1+4 for seven lights. But fuck for $600 give me 7 LEDs bitches.
Fuck! if it wasn't for MGS4 and GT.... hell I was planing on getting one at launch but I will probably just wait for either of those two games and then get it.
edit: just wanted to add another FUCK this FUCKIN sucks!
I agree it probably goes 1,2,3,4 then 1+2, 1+3, 1+4 for seven lights. But fuck for $600 give me 7 LEDs bitches.
Fuck! if it wasn't for MGS4 and GT.... hell I was planing on getting one at launch but I will probably just wait for either of those two games and then get it.
edit: just wanted to add another FUCK this FUCKIN sucks!
You know what, let's excuse Sony from making 2 different SKU's, 1 in which is Nerfed to hell while the other one is really expensive. What really makes this worse, is that if you buy the Nerfed, there's almost no easy way for you to get the features of the more expensive one. It's not like the 360, where you could simply buy a harddrive and a wireless controller (albeit at a more expensive price). You would actually have to sacrifice those features in its entirety. Thats what makes this a real killer. Jesus, I STILL can't believe Sony actually made this decision.
flarkminator
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I posted this in the photoshop thread =P
SuperPac
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datruth29 said:
What's even more killer is that unlike the 360, most people probably WILL want to buy the cheaper/gimped $500 PS3. HDMI, Wifi, memory stick support -- those are all premium features that the average gamer probably doesn't want/need. So developers/publishers won't have any incentive to flex the muscle of Wifi connectivity with PSP, or 1080p games, or memory stick support or anything. And who knows if it's going to have any effect on Blu-Ray becoming a standard format for movies.
I think this does not bode well for Sony's online service promises of "FREE FREE FREE" online stuff (they talked microtransaction point cards, but no "online play is free." IMO, that speaks some volumes). Nor does it even bode well for the machine launching in November, IMO.
hyp
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time to grab a 360, especially when stock is getting pretty decent in retail!
seriously, wtf sony. i'm probably your target demographic since i'm a sucker for the latest gadget and have a decent job to support the habit. but really, what about the rest of the fucking world?
i'll probably get one at launch... but with all the backlash, who am i going to play with online? it's going to be lonely in ps3 land if the price remains this high.
seriously, wtf sony. i'm probably your target demographic since i'm a sucker for the latest gadget and have a decent job to support the habit. but really, what about the rest of the fucking world?
i'll probably get one at launch... but with all the backlash, who am i going to play with online? it's going to be lonely in ps3 land if the price remains this high.
CountZeroInt
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It reeks of Kutaragi's incomprehensible and overwhelming arrogance. This is what happens when a company is ruled by a dictator instead of a group of wise minds (read Dean Takahashi's excerpts on 1up.com). Stringer will undoubtedly regret giving Kutaragi his full control back.
Skirting around the issue isn't doing a very good job of making it sound better. $399 and $499 would have been okay, but would have had the potential to destroy Sony if things turned sour. The HDMI and BluRay were non-negotiable, and obviously they thought they needed the HDD to compete with the 360. Even at $599 they will likely be losing $100 to $200 on each machine sold. There is no way it will be a complete failure, but it certainly could take #2 position.
If Blu Ray goes down like Beta and UMD it will be a complete disaster for Sony. As is I expect them to make a strong rush in Fall 2007 with GT5 and FF13 (PSX was also slow and largely losing to Saturn until FF7 came out), but unfortunately for them by then MS will have 3rd generation games ready and aren't making stupid mistakes like Sega was, and will maintain price advantage.
- Not upgradeable
- No mention of Killzone
- No mention of MMORPGs or any sort of compelling online games
- No mention of downloadable games besides PSX games for PSP, and that's a $900 investment to get both machines, whereas DS + Wii is less than half that, and 360 a quarter.
- No concrete details about online service besides a complete copy of things MS has pioneered (gamer points, downloadable content). Too much smoke and mirrors.
Japanese people don't forgive failure or crap like this easily, if PS3 fails even a little bit they will move on to the next new thing like Sony never even existed. There is a lot of Sony brand loyalty over there but once it's tainted with stench of failure they'll turn away and pretend not to notice the roadkill-in-progress.
Skirting around the issue isn't doing a very good job of making it sound better. $399 and $499 would have been okay, but would have had the potential to destroy Sony if things turned sour. The HDMI and BluRay were non-negotiable, and obviously they thought they needed the HDD to compete with the 360. Even at $599 they will likely be losing $100 to $200 on each machine sold. There is no way it will be a complete failure, but it certainly could take #2 position.
If Blu Ray goes down like Beta and UMD it will be a complete disaster for Sony. As is I expect them to make a strong rush in Fall 2007 with GT5 and FF13 (PSX was also slow and largely losing to Saturn until FF7 came out), but unfortunately for them by then MS will have 3rd generation games ready and aren't making stupid mistakes like Sega was, and will maintain price advantage.
- Not upgradeable
- No mention of Killzone
- No mention of MMORPGs or any sort of compelling online games
- No mention of downloadable games besides PSX games for PSP, and that's a $900 investment to get both machines, whereas DS + Wii is less than half that, and 360 a quarter.
- No concrete details about online service besides a complete copy of things MS has pioneered (gamer points, downloadable content). Too much smoke and mirrors.
Japanese people don't forgive failure or crap like this easily, if PS3 fails even a little bit they will move on to the next new thing like Sony never even existed. There is a lot of Sony brand loyalty over there but once it's tainted with stench of failure they'll turn away and pretend not to notice the roadkill-in-progress.
ouch...i feel bad for sony. console bigger than original xbox? (2) different console types like 360, BUT WORSE AND MORE $$$, copying wii controller, copying microsoft with home button/online/2 skus, HALF THE PORTS PROMISED!!?!?!?! I am GLAD i got a 360, and I AM GLAD that i'm going to get a WII. 360+WII FTW! But seriously, what the fuck is sony thinking? I bet that the in game graphics are going to be on par or a little worse than the 360 for launch games, mark my words! I just cant blieve this shit....:lol
norinrad21
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Japan isn't going to pay 600$ for a console.
No one in Europe would also pay even 499 Euro for a console
No one in Europe would also pay even 499 Euro for a console
Gearharaden
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What the fuck?
What happened to this gen being the HD era of video games?
Jesus christ every new piece of news about the next-gen hardware is making next-gen sound less and less like next-gen and more and more like disappointment.
Revolution = Current Gen graphics
X360 = Still uses DVD/No built-in HD-DVD support/No universal HDTV support
PS3 = No universal HDTV support/Other stuff I might be forgetting
Next-Gen am cry.
What happened to this gen being the HD era of video games?
Jesus christ every new piece of news about the next-gen hardware is making next-gen sound less and less like next-gen and more and more like disappointment.
Revolution = Current Gen graphics
X360 = Still uses DVD/No built-in HD-DVD support/No universal HDTV support
PS3 = No universal HDTV support/Other stuff I might be forgetting
Next-Gen am cry.
The Frankman
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SuperPac
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Mrbob said:
That's correct. I don't think it's been said, but I highly doubt PS3 will come with an HDMI cable. Those run about $60-70+ usually. PS2 didn't even come with S-Video cables. No way is Sony including a $60-70 cable in with the machine, especially when I doubt most of the people buying this will have TVs or displays that support it (fewer than had S-Vid when PS2 launched).
norinrad21
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Mrbob said:
Its been a long night, i think you need some sleep
norinrad21 said:
My dreams will make me forget Sony announced a 600 dollar game system w/ a 500 dollar tard pack.
Well I guess this settles it. Good job Sony for completely fucking up your new system. We are witnessing history in the making, as the beginning of the end of the Sony empire.
Battersea Power Station
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Speaking of which, we need a unique name for the Sony tard pack. Discussion could get confusing otherwise.
The Frankman
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Wait, Binary Culture reports more reaction across the globe from forumgoers:
Army General overseas finds out price
PS3 controller in motion?
Leaked Secret SONY Ad Campaign
Solid Snake discovers price of PS3
Bob Barker asks IF The Price Is Right for PS3?
Reporters comment on PS3 sadness
Darth Vader comments on rash of PS3 YTMNDs
PS3 Wikipedia definition
Army General overseas finds out price
PS3 controller in motion?
Leaked Secret SONY Ad Campaign
Solid Snake discovers price of PS3
Bob Barker asks IF The Price Is Right for PS3?
Reporters comment on PS3 sadness
Darth Vader comments on rash of PS3 YTMNDs
PS3 Wikipedia definition
Mrbob said:
I think the real killer with HDMI is that without it you won't be able to watch Blue Ray movies, which is one of the things they were touting as a feature. At least that's the way I understood it to be crippling to have 2 SKU's.
I'm not really a fanboy, but damn did I lose a ton of respect for Sony for pulling this two SKU business.
soundwave05
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You know the really sad thing about this?
Sony couldn't even come up with an original way to differniate the 'tard pak from the premium pak.
They copied MS' idea of not having a chrome trim/tray for the XBox 360 ... I mean DAMN, the R&D people at Sony shouldn't even be paid, they thought of absolutely nothing new here.
It's a little thing, but it just seems to say everything about Sony's PS3 planning.
Sony couldn't even come up with an original way to differniate the 'tard pak from the premium pak.
They copied MS' idea of not having a chrome trim/tray for the XBox 360 ... I mean DAMN, the R&D people at Sony shouldn't even be paid, they thought of absolutely nothing new here.
It's a little thing, but it just seems to say everything about Sony's PS3 planning.
norinrad21
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Incognito said:
He hates freedom
Battersea Power Station
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I like Cripple Pack a lot since the SKU representes a crippled version of their next-gen promise.-jinx- said:
SuperPac
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Actually now that I'm thinking about it... is there any way that the Multi-out could do HDMI? Maybe they'd make an HDMI cable that uses the multi-out, so it's not using a separate HDMI port but could still do it. The thing that gives me pause is that 1080p is listed as a resolution for both packs, and why would that be there if there wasn't some way to get the $499 pack to do HDMI too (just not built-in)?
At that point you probably could get add-ons to give you Mem stick/etc. support and Wifi. Seems excessive though.
At that point you probably could get add-ons to give you Mem stick/etc. support and Wifi. Seems excessive though.
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