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[Mihael Mello Keehl]

But they noticed the MP is blurrier than SP.

I understand that but no one thought the resolution was lower even when it was. Hence this thread being made today in march when the game released november.Nobody knew all this time until now why it was blurrier. Thats what im saying.



@EC, I dont understand

 

[bobbytkc]

But they noticed the MP is blurrier than SP.

YEah, but the point is they couldn't tell that it wasn't a result of using cheaper AA methods.

Guerilla made the rational choice. Changing the AA method used will not double the framerate. Halving the rendering resolution, and using the previous frame to fill the gap will.

 

[Friction]

Too bad fun isn't one of them.

I don't 100% agree, but damn it this made me laugh.

I personally only care about fps on my games rather than resolution, but I understand that it gets a lot of attention here at GAF.

So I find it really surprising that this only gets exposed now, a few months after release in comparison to other games that get scrutinized for their resolution/fps even before release.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

Patch incomming?

Spoiler

nope

 

[kpaadet]

then why didn't anyone go and check it themselves

Because people thought it was bad AA, I feel like this thread is going in circles.

 

[Snake201]

Well better than the garbage halo has turned into. Doesn't jump so deep into COD territory like everyone else feels compelled too.

What does Halo have to do with anything?

& you shouldn't give that troll your attention.

 

[Mass Effect]

You don't see the interlacing in the rain?

First thing I noticed as well. That awful compression makes the comparison a bit more difficult though.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

The singleplayer was so much fun! Then the resolution of the multiplayer made me sell the game. I can't have fun below 1080P/60.

A "resolution doesn't matter as long at its fun" post for a PS4 game. The generation is truly doomed.

 

[flkraven]

So while everyone was complain about the multiplayer resolution of Xbox titles yet to be release, there was a PlayStation title with a less than prefered resolution after all. And it only took 4 months after release to figure it out.

I think the community would best be served if equal scrutiny was placed on both platforms.

 

[-COOLIO-]

I was very disappointed to learn this. I always thought that the added blur in MP was due to a poor implementation of FXAA but in reality it's not rendering too many more pixels than 720p. I have no idea why this wasn't mentioned in their previous article about the game's tech since he clearly talked to GG about it back then. For me this really kills my opinion of the tech on the multiplayer side of the game. Low res and can't hit 60fps regularly. They even claimed full res too

wait. so you liked it before and now you don't like it?

 

[iceatcs]

I would love to know how does that work? Serious question, I only know the normal pixel counting method.

Only if you know the ratio, I think it might be virtually impossible without know what ratio.

 

[VanWinkle]

So not even Sony's flagship shooter could be consistent 1080p60fps for the MP?

Apparently not at launch, no. Although, that being said, I am wondering if it's more a case of them being pressured into 60fps late into the dev cycle when the game was already designed around 30fps, leading to a lowered res.

 

[MidgarBlowedUp]

haha, so my 1080i CRT is good for another 5-7 years.
hahahaha

Spoiler

I'm crying on the inside

 

[Zeppeli]

Technically the resolution is still 1920x1080, but they are updating half the columns (960 is half of 1920) differently

The resolution is not 1920x1080. It is rendering at 960x1080. No magic tricks are going to make that into 1920x1080.

 

[skyfinch]

It has to be a bug. Maybe they will release a patch.

 

[Frayne Daddy]

Apparently not at launch, no. Although, that being said, I am wondering if it's more a case of them being pressured into 60fps late into the dev cycle when the game was already designed around 30fps, leading to a lowered res.

Very well could be. In the end look at the pressure gamers put on the developers and publishers to produce.

 

[VanWinkle]

I understand that but no one thought the resolution was lower even when it was. Hence this thread being made today in march when the game released november.Nobody knew all this time until now why it was blurrier. Thats what im saying.



@EC, I dont understand

Read my response to you to understand.

 

[ArkkAngel007]

Noticed something was off, but didn't really mind too much. Really weird that this wasn't figured out within the first month or so of launch.

Not sure if this warrants any real uproar though, just like I think every Xbox One game that comes out now doesn't necessarily warrant it either with the difference rather clear on what each machine can handle currently.

The real question I guess now is what does this mean moving forward? Is this going to be the norm, or something that will improve when not pressured by new hardware and launch?

Edit: Do wish they [GG] were more upfront on the specs. I don't really base my enjoyment primarily on such things, but it would be nice to see some honesty. Some people would freak as they always do, but doubt it would have been much of an issue in comparison to now.

 

[Chobel]

So while everyone was complain about the multiplayer resolution of Xbox titles yet to be release, there was a PlayStation title with a less than prefered resolution after all. And it only took 4 months after release to figure it out.

I think the community would best be served if equal scrutiny was placed on both platforms.

What the hell is this? a subtle way of saying Sonygaf?

 

[GrumpyOutlander]

A "resolution doesn't matter as long at its fun" post for a PS4 game. The generation is truly doomed.

I'm just trying to show the ridiculous amount of emphasis placed on resolution for either console.

 

[Jigolo]

How did DF not catch this?

 

[dallow_bg]

As I stated in my post, I'm mainly surprised by the disproportion. The level of people who noticed this, and headlines they generated are nowhere near the buzz resolutongate produced.

Basically, the obsession with pixel numbers game greatly outpaces the actual tolerance. Which should come as a surprise to no one.

Have you seen the MP player numbers for SF? It's barely played.

Between the developer saying it was 1080p, the change in AA method, the low player count, and the fact that the standard method of pixel counting would not work all equates to less buzz.

 

[PBY]

It has to be a bug. Maybe they will release a patch.

Prob not a bug, since they can't keep a steady 60 frames whenever I've tried to play a game.

 

[RoboPlato]

wait. so you liked it before and now you don't like it?

I've always thought the MP was unimpressive due to the blur but I thought it was a bad FXAA implementation. I'm no pixel counter so when I was told it was native 1080p, I believed it. Running at 1080p with bad FXAA is drastically different than 960x1080 from a tech standpoint. I still think the MP is a lot of fun.

 

[Lima]

I understand that but no one thought the resolution was lower even when it was. Hence this thread being made today in march when the game released november.Nobody knew all this time until now why it was blurrier. Thats what im saying.



@EC, I dont understand

I always said "never is this running at 1080p" when playing this with my friends online.

It's just that you can't prove it and Guerilla said it was 1080p. So who you gonna believe? The developer that made the game or some smug on the internet?

Yeah...

 

[Liabe Brave]

It was pixel counted prior to launch. So the count must of either been based off a promo shot, or MP released at 1080p and the resolution was dropped after a patch.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=82819829&postcount=31

It was a promo shot (from Gamescom), and I just reverified and my count shows 1920x1080. So either my skill is defective, it was a bullshot, MP was changed, or the special temporal upscale Guerilla are using is so good, it defeats pixel counting. If anybody has any more recent Full HD shots, I'd be happy to take a whack at them.

Which brings me to a question about the logic: temporal upscale? So they only render half the horizontal resolution, and they fill in all the rest based on the previous frame. But clearly they can't just repeat what the previous frame was, or else there'd be (vertical) comb artifacts all over the damn place. Thus the interlaced pixel columns are being calculated each frame. So...each frame they render half the image, and they calculate the other half? How does that save them any time at all?

 

[rokkerkory]

Well better than the garbage halo and others have turned into. Doesn't jump so deep into COD territory like everyone else feels compelled to.

can't have a KZ thread without halo mentioned! lol

 

[A_Gorilla]

I had suspected something like this for a while. Was this the only way they could make it run at 60fps?

 

[jacksepticeye]

How did DF not catch this?

That's the million dollar question

 

[ps3ud0]

Anyone bothered enough to see what GG have said beyond native 1080p about the MP since launch/announcement? I think thats the bit that erks me most...

ps3ud0 8)

 

[LookAtMeGo]

How did DF not catch this?

Isnt it obvious? Sony paid them to keep hush hush about it.

Spoiler

kidding

 

[gundamkyoukai]

I understand that but no one thought the resolution was lower even when it was. Hence this thread being made today in march when the game released november.Nobody knew all this time until now why it was blurrier. Thats what im saying.



@EC, I dont understand

What happen was GG said it was 1080p and there were using a different AA for MP compare to SP .
So people believe GG thinking it had something to do with the AA if it is 1080p .
So GG lie about the res but people knew something was wrong with it but thought AA was the problem .

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

I'm just trying to show the ridiculous amount of emphasis placed on resolution for either console.

Oh I agree with you.

 

[pretty done]

I had suspected something like this for a while. Was this the only way they could make it run at 60fps?

If that's what they were aiming for they should have made it 960x720. This game runs at 20-60fps in a full server.

 

[Demon Ice]

Wow, this is definitely a surprise given how clean the MP looks, I certainly didn't notice it.

 

[Doctor_Thomas]

Patch incomming?

Spoiler

nope

I wish. I haven't touched the MP yet, because single player other things, but I would happily take 30fps because that is Killzone's normal framerate if it allowed 1080p. I am absolutely serious about that. Especially since it doesn't seem to be locked at 60fps anyway.

Then again, Killzone 2 was the only MP FPS I ever really enjoyed, so maybe I'm just pining for that game again.

 

[Snake201]

How did DF not catch this?

Could they have been under some form of NDA?

 

[dallow_bg]

I'm just trying to show the ridiculous amount of emphasis placed on resolution for either console.

You've got the wrong thread for that. This is for people interested in technical details.

 

[Jinfash]

Have you seen the MP player numbers for SF? It's barely played.

Between the developer saying it was 1080p, the change in AA method, the low player count, and the fact that the standard method of pixel counting would not work all equates to less buzz.

Fair point.

 

[skyfinch]

I had suspected something like this for a while. Was this the only way they could make it run at 60fps?

It doesnt even run at a constant 60fps.

 

[SniperHunter]

I had suspected something like this for a while. Was this the only way they could make it run at 60fps?

it rarely runs at 60 FPS

 

[Tallshortman]

can't have a KZ thread without halo mentioned! lol

They're going to go hand in hand forever. It's destiny.

 

[plagiarize]

Makes me wish id played the mp before I traded it in so I could either have egg on my face or be sat here going I KNEW IT!

 

[VanWinkle]

It was a promo shot (from Gamescom), and I just reverified and my count shows 1920x1080. So either my skill is defective, it was a bullshot, MP was changed, or the special temporal upscale Guerilla are using is so good, it defeats pixel counting. If anybody has any more recent Full HD shots, I'd be happy to take a whack at them.

The game does NOT look as clear as those amazing initial MP screenshots. Those truly look like 1080p, but they don't look like bullshots.

This, to me, lends more credence to them lowering the resolution to get closer to 60fps after being pressured to do so.

 

[RoboPlato]

They're going to go hand in hand forever. It's destiny.

Goddamn this one is good.

 

[PlayStationboy]

The fact that no one knew or cared about this shows just how little all this shit matters outside of petty console wars on either side. Always built up into the worst news ever when publicized, but if no one bothers to check, no one knows or cares at all.

Lol, so true. All eyes were on Xbone so it makes sense how this one slipped under the radar of pixel counters.

 

[A_Gorilla]

It doesnt even run at a constant 60fps.

it rarely runs at 60 FPS

...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oH1rOL5hB9s

 

[babyghost853]

I have to say, if this is really true, I will not buy another GG game for a long time if ever. I haven't touched the MP in the game, played SP and moved on to Don't Starve. There is no need to lie about resolution, or any details of your game for that matter. And since in the end it will all be revealed anyway it just makes you look stupid for doing it. I enjoyed the SP, but because of this I won't even bother looking at their new IP. It's time for companies to learn it's not good idea to lie to your customers. It might not matter much that I will not be buying their games, but I will feel good knowing that their next lie won't affect me.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

What happen was GG said it was 1080p and there were using a different AA for MP compare to SP .
So people believe GG thinking it had something to do with the AA if it is 1080p .
So GG lie about the res but people knew something was wrong with it but thought AA was the problem .
Now we know why so many people thought it was blurry it was not the AA but the res.

People thinking it was an AA issue doesnt negate the fact that the resolution was the issue and somehow it went unnoticed.

 

[SniperHunter]

Yeah you're probably right about the textures, but there was a comparison taken here not long ago that compared medium settings to the PS4 version, and the PS4 version was noticeably missing foliage and had a lower draw distance, in addition to the shadows/AA/terrain being worse or exactly the same as medium settings.

alright fair enough, I still think it looks great. LoD and shadow quality have to me set at medium because the CPU in the machine isn't strong.