Kocolino67
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That sounds depressing and I hope it's not true.
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Amy Hennig has left Naughty Dog [confirmed]
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That sounds depressing and I hope it's not true.
Wasn't this already confirmed?
dr_rus
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There there
I don't think it's pandering, but I also understand where she is coming from (assuming that's what she really said). It feels like it's a rare thing today, to just show people being close friends. The strength of human relationships outside of romance/sexuality isn't all that common in media (or at least, it seems disproportionate).
I don't agree it's pandering in this case, because of the way it was executed. It would have ONLY felt like pandering if
Ellie acted a certain way in the main plot, and this felt like it was a character reversal. But at least to me, there was nothing in the main story that ever contradicted anything, let a lone touched on that sort of thing.
But again, assuming that this is something she actually said behind the scenes, I can understand how she would feel that the STORY of Last of Us (and the characters) were about one thing, and the r
omantic aspect in the DLC doesn't really fit in with the narrative/themes of the game. Or rather, it wasn't a theme in the main story, and so it feels tacked on in the DLC.
XANDER CAGE
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But so many tumblr gifs!
You don't need a writing team to make games this good:
Why would the killer whale jump head first into the snow?
This really isn't true. Guerilla for instance just confirmed that their two teams aren't working on a new Killzone now that ShadowFall is done.And Naughty Dog has said taht a TloU sequel might not even happen as they are towing around with their TloU team making another new IP.
I'm not sure where you're getting your thinking from but Sony is very pro new IP.
Freeman
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How does every subject has to be turned into something about a minority? I played the DLC and it was fine, I'm sure that had nothing to do with whit why Amy Hennig left.
Uncharted is very well written, it is not supposed to have the most innovative plot, it succeeds to do what it was trying to do with excellency, it has great charismatic characters that are the foundation of the series. It actually managed to be more successful today than the actual Indiana Jones franchise is, and even Tomb Raider had to adapt itself to be more like Uncharted.
Its not perfect but the shortcomings come mostly from the gameplay aspects, where Amy had probably little control over. Even the infamous talk of Drake as a mass murder comes from the gameplay, that relies excessively on fodder enemies that pose no challenge (TLoU suffers from it even tho it tries harder to move away from it and even addresses it in the story).
If I'm correct she had to write Uncharted 3 script around set-pieces that were thought out by the level designers.
TLoU benefits a lot from being released after Uncharted and you can't just compare the games in an attempt to diminish what Amy Henning has achieved.
I actually think that labeling Elie as a gay character is a mistake, not that it matters
Uncharted is very well written, it is not supposed to have the most innovative plot, it succeeds to do what it was trying to do with excellency, it has great charismatic characters that are the foundation of the series. It actually managed to be more successful today than the actual Indiana Jones franchise is, and even Tomb Raider had to adapt itself to be more like Uncharted.
Its not perfect but the shortcomings come mostly from the gameplay aspects, where Amy had probably little control over. Even the infamous talk of Drake as a mass murder comes from the gameplay, that relies excessively on fodder enemies that pose no challenge (TLoU suffers from it even tho it tries harder to move away from it and even addresses it in the story).
If I'm correct she had to write Uncharted 3 script around set-pieces that were thought out by the level designers.
TLoU benefits a lot from being released after Uncharted and you can't just compare the games in an attempt to diminish what Amy Henning has achieved.
SSM's new IP got cancelled because it wasn't working out. They already had a GoW game in the works. The decisions were mutually exclusive.
The new IPs will likely start coming once the gen picks up. It makes more sense to have teams get their engines up and running with an IP they're familiar with and to allow the user base for the console to build up. DriveClub and Knack are new IPs, GG is already working on a new IP, and they're publishing The Order 1886, also a new IP. ND even said they're toying around with a new IP instead of TLoU2.
I noted this last night after seeing a ton of posts in this thread but I am now seeing many people across the internet try to downplay Amy Hennig as "just a writer" and also trying to distance her from Uncharted 2.
I am also seeing people refer to Uncharted 1 and 3 as terrible games while Uncharted 2 and TLOU are excellent masterpieces because Amy Hennig didn't work on those two games. I am so confused.
I am also seeing people refer to Uncharted 1 and 3 as terrible games while Uncharted 2 and TLOU are excellent masterpieces because Amy Hennig didn't work on those two games. I am so confused.
No, it wasn't confirmed. Some people made up what they wanted to believe and ran with it stating it as a fact.
People here should learn how to separate opinions from facts. This is a website where people are suppose to be more informed than the average gamer, so when someone makes claims like that, people will eventually pick it up. You can't blame them either, considering this is the central gaming forum.
I wish providing a source was required so these made up "facts" wouldn't spread across the forum.
Things like inFamous being "delayed" from a launch title to launch window started here.
EDIT: I was referring to the new SSM IP being canceled for another GOW.
Anticitizen One
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that's not good enough. Ps2 and PS3 presented new IPs right out the gate. They didn't wait years before showing new IPs.
robertsan21
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It´s a loss of talent, but is it the fall of ND? no not at all! they got a bunch of world class talents over there that can hold their own.
Anticitizen One
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They certainly used to be but now i'm not so sure. Outside of The order 1886 (which feels very derivative of games we've seen a hundred times) and Knack its been sequel city at Sony.
Naughty Dog's first game for a new playstation platform was always a new IP but this time its a 4th entry in the tired Uncharted series. Sucker Punch did the Sly series on PS2 then did the Infamous series on PS3 but instead of doing another IP they are doing another Infamous game.
timetokill
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Well, hopefully she lands somewhere she'll be appreciated by both the company and fans.
Marvel
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PS4 isn't even 6 months old!
..... Naughty Dog made a new IP after their main trilogy.
It's called THE LAST OF US.
So like KNACK, Resogun and Driveclub (which got delayed, but was planned as a launch game)?
The Order: 1886 is the next new IP.
What you are claming doesn't make any sense.
ND released a new IP last year instead of releasing a fourth Uncharted on PS3. They made 4 Crash games, 4 Jak games, and now they're working on a 4th Uncharted, just this one happens to be on PS4. SP also made two inFamous games last gen and they made 3 Sly games.
DriveClub is a new IP, GG's next game is a new IP, and isn't whatever Media Molecule is working on supposed to be a new IP?
Gangxxter
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It doesn't jump into the snow, it dives right back intto the pool.
What? I don't think we've been seeing hundreds of Steampunk TPS games.
Anticitizen One
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I'm not into misinformation but I'm pretty sure it is confirmed that the team that was laid off was working on a new IP that has been cancelled. We don't know what the other big project is but it's more than likely (and I personally believe it to be) another God of War entry. Obviously nobody can say what the other IP is until either A)something leaks or B)It gets unveiled.
Give me a break the fucking game is another reskinned third person shooter.
Quantic Dream are working on a new IP as well for PS4
Aquamarine
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It's not.
Source?
try reading that out loud
Dude, it's a new IP and you haven't even played it.
Your claims are BS!
Steve Youngblood
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Do we really need a source to debunk a 4chan rumor?
Yes as well as Quantic Dream working on a new IP, The Order 1886, and Knack.
It may have similar or even the same mechanics as other games but there is more to a game than that. But I wouldn't expect someone who wants Uncharted killed off for Crash fucking Bandicoot to understand lol.
AuthenticM
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I completely disagree. There are so many games that explore friendship. Probably even more than games exploring romance. The Gears of War games, Bad Company, Ratchet & Clank, every RPG ever; and then in movies you have every comedy Hollywood has produced, buddy cop films, even dramas such as 50/50; and then there are comic books...
Really, friendship is omnipresent in media. This might be the reason why some people don't notice it and think it's absent, but it's not. It's everywhere.
I don't mean to question you, but if that was posted a week before she was fired, that person had to have known something... I mean who the hell just starts a random rumor like that? I'm not saying it's necassarily that, maybe it was an insider who knew there was tension and made a false story.
You may not like how it looks but it's a new IP.
Dont believe that random post, but it doesn't look like an amicable split. She didn't shout out ND on her twitter, no statement, and that sony PR is so formal.
Its not like I'm making a leap either, this is based on the only source of info we have- the IGN report, which got the scoop.
Its not like I'm making a leap either, this is based on the only source of info we have- the IGN report, which got the scoop.
Audible Phonetics
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I never get people like you. She only singlehandedly wrote Uncharted 3. Which IMO was the worst of the 3 story wise. All the people who were deeply involved are still there.
TLOU not having charm is also laughable. You could connect with the characters and they were memorable.
Steve Youngblood
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Mind you, I don't know anything (most of us don't) about what transpired here. And there may be something to that post (after all, I can't disprove it). But since I wasn't introduced to drama related to rumors yesterday, my assumption would be that at a bare minimum, there's probably some sensationalist fiction sprinkled in there. Personally, I'd let things play out a little more before running with the notion that a post on 4chan should be taken as fact that needs to be debunked.
https://twitter.com/amy_hennig/status/441259959875928064
Apparently that 4chan post was fake. But on your topic, I think the guy you were talking to was referring to opposite sex platonic friendship. It is rarer than same sex plutonic friendship.
So much character attacking of Hennig, Straley, and Druckmann in this thread over baseless rumors and speculation. Such a travesty
Yep, sad.
I'm OK with this Druckmann is the man at Naughty Dog, he should be who guides where they go creatvely withe their IPs. He made the Last Of Us, he has my confidence. Henning was behind UC3, and from the past comments ive read on Gaf everyone thinks that games forgetable, at best. I surprised at the outrage actually.
A decent amount of people moved on to forming Big Red Button who have been working on the new Sonic game for Wii U for the past three years I think.
AuthenticM
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Yeah I know it's fake, but the subject of the conversation was still interesting.
Aquamarine
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Whenever we're dealing with anything from 4chan we always have to assume it's fake until proven otherwise, even if it sounds believable.
There are way too many talented trolls on that site to even consider anything from it "accurate."
I just gave you examples of Sony pushing new IP, I'd hardly consider Sucker Punch or Guerilla not leading with new IP to be an issue the studios are litterally now able to have twice the ouput over previous generations.
dragonbane
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Scary thought. His next potential sci-fi game is a much better use of his time and more exciting than another Uncharted.
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