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#DarkSoulsDowngrade and #YOULIED \\ a.k.a You got some splainin' to do, Namco
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FairXchange
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This represents my experience perfectly. I've stated numerous times I was on a blackout in the lead up to launch. The game I'm playing now is just incredible, I was worried about the director change-up and the questions about difficulty, but so far DS2 has been so good.
StriKeVillain
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No, we'll just vote EA worst company of the year annually and then run to throw money into their coffers the next week.
Answers? The response will be "we couldn't fit everything we wanted in the game because of time/hardware limitations". And that's probably really what went on. So many games change from their initial reveal. It happens. Games change. People are acting like this is some huge conspiracy.
I don't see how negative word of mouth/press about the game couldn't impact Namco's sales a little bit. Not saying it would but I think that's the idea.
You are not understanding. They ADVERTISED features heavily in that 'demo'. As in, they enticed people to buy their product after saying "Hey, this feature is in the game and it is an important feature because x". They did that from reveal, all the way up until release. With those same features as selling points. Then said features were absent from the game.
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Deleted member 22576
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No, I'm understanding perfectly.
I don't think it's very common hide footage of the final game until launch. Not when the final version looks so different when compared to earlier footage.
Can you blame them? It's not like they showed people that the game would be downgraded like Ubisoft did with Watch_Dogs. They should have had a trailer released a month or two ago to show people that things had changed.
The problem isn't that the game changed, it's that they never told anyone.
Well I can't speak for everyone but I bought the game without looking at any pre-release media, and I'm sure a lot of other people didn't need enticing too. Besides, isn't it standard to assume that anything shown before release is pre-release code and there's no guarantee that the retail product will look the same?
Besides, neither Demon Souls nor Dark Souls looked amazing. The improved framerate and gameplay in this game is already a god send.
Also, I just looked at one of the preview videos posted in the thread, the constant flickering of the shadows cast from a torch during combat would have been terribly distracting.
TheCongressman1
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Apparently people don't know how to read, or won't accept the facts, but it isn't just a simple change that happened throughout development. There are massive downgrades that were never hinted at, and were only seen after people bought the game.
Not everyone watches Vatti, and that's putting aside the guy's TGS video in the other thread which wasn't the downgraded version. And I'm assuming, going by the title of this topic, that this is a twitter campaign or at least looking for some answers. Apparently everyone complaining is 'crazy'.
StriKeVillain
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Whoever creates the OT for Watch Dogs should just use this post in place of any fancy graphics or text.
john_trent11
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Hydranockz
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Rich coming from the guy who ignores completely any disclaimer on promotional material
Metroid-Squadron
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SMH @ the apologists in this thread.
A turd could come instead of disk in their game boxes and yet they'd still love them.
There was no such disclaimer in any of their gameplay demonstrations.
TRY AGAIN.
A turd could come instead of disk in their game boxes and yet they'd still love them.
Rich coming from the guy who ignores completely any disclaimer on promotional material
There was no such disclaimer in any of their gameplay demonstrations.
TRY AGAIN.
You obviously don't remember Twilight Princess.
Stillmatic
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I think the final game still looks great, much better than the previous 2. I guess what they were demoing early on was actually the PC version, and passing it off as console gameplay, which is definitely shady.
It's funny because even the screenshots on the back of the box seem to be from the older build, or so I've heard.
Such deception.
Also the beta had better lighting than the retail version and I actually played that on my PS3 so something clearly went wrong between then and now. Which is kinda okay. What is NOT okay is deceiving your customers with the end product. The torch mechanic is practically useless in this game now with the lighting engine tanked.
It's really astonishing how people are treating From/Namco compared to Ubisoft. It's a very similar situation in my eyes. Dark Souls 2 might even be worse, considering that no one knew about the downgrade until the very last second while Watch Dogs won't be released for quite a while.
TimeEffect
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What about #YOULIEDLIKEABITCH
Intheflorsh
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Different situation. DS2 was, if I recall correctly, developed on PCs and adapted for consoles. They're promising better visuals.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/da...es-increased-texture-resolution/1100-6418146/
Metalingus5150
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Didn't they take out gameplay elements too regarding sorceries? Where you could charge them up?
People were saying some gameplay elements in the beta aren't in the actual release as well.
People were saying some gameplay elements in the beta aren't in the actual release as well.
Well the only thing that was really shown was the reveal gameplay, and after that a bunch of trailers. No piece of media I have ever read asked what was running the game. Most people just assumed it was ps/360. It's a lie if you've never said anything.
People take stuff out of beta versions all the time. That's why they're betas.
CountAntonius
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This video was posted January 30th and actually does look like the final build. can anyone confirm?
dark souls 2 combat preview
dark souls 2 combat preview
Zuhzuhzombie!!
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So was it a downgrade or were they just showing the PC version all this time?
This is one of the major points. It's simply not the same kind of game they were selling.
Vincent Alexander
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Word. I'm in full support of this campaign.
StriKeVillain
Banned
It's a damn shame. Any GAFer ripping into Ubisoft for their actions with Watch Dogs and then shrugging their shoulders when it comes to FROM/Namco should be embarrassed.
You really have no idea what this situation is about, it seems.
Also, this is NOT a little downgrade.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=104017500&postcount=2371
TimeEffect
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It wasn't a little, though.
but it was ok when ubi does it with watch dogs right??? thats what everyone in the watch dogs downgrade thread were doing.
Lambda Pie
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really? i could've sworn a twitter campaign called #DarkSoulsDowngrade isn't exactly the most positive and inviting of things.
Well false advertising isn't a positive thing either.
Did you also have no problem with the Colonial Marines thing?
TheCongressman1
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So we should invite getting lied to? It's one thing to have a downgrade, and completely another thing to hide it all the way until release.
Ehhh the game lighting system is still different than DS1 and improved in some situations and while it has been downgraded probably cause those were demos of smaller areas and not representative of the final game with the whole world it probably wasn't performing up to standards in the end. There are still dips of framerate and higher textures and the lighting system would probably add more strain to the game in the end. A problem would be the PC version getting dumbed down to look like the console counterparts when we know the PC can do way more than what those consoles can.
SatelliteOfLove
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To make matters worse, alot of it is A) may affect gameplay due to graphics being USED as gameplay in Souls alot (shadows 'n such), and B) people being on blackouts with that close reveal.
So it's not a downgrade?
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