I don't see anything wrong with consumers being vocal about their own interests.
Who else is going to do it?
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#DarkSoulsDowngrade and #YOULIED \\ a.k.a You got some splainin' to do, Namco
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I don't see anything wrong with consumers being vocal about their own interests.
Who else is going to do it?
I haven't seen anything from the full game aside from the screenshots in the OP of the downgrade thread. How would I know if that was the retail build or just a really gray rainy area from the preview build?
They released new footage of the game in outside areas and had no mention of their self proclaimed selling points being scrapped at that point. It was impossible to know unless you had access to the full game, and anyone who did was under NDA.
StriKeVillain
Banned
And that's fine. At the very least it gets the community active and organized. Maybe not this time, but possibly in the future, we'll have a little bit more impact.
All I'm saying is doing nothing hurts all of us.
Or just told people about the changes pre-release.
Wishmaster92
Member
Even though i'm not interested in this game, i fully support this movement. The people that bought this deserved what they were promised when Namco showed the video.
theusedversion
Member
Ahhh so close to being a thread backfire. Darn it!
Why can't you people just be happy? There always has to be so much drama around here. Like a previous poster said, I think people are just waiting around to complain about something. Its embarrassing.
Why can't you people just be happy? There always has to be so much drama around here. Like a previous poster said, I think people are just waiting around to complain about something. Its embarrassing.
Metroid-Squadron
Banned
OP, you might want to add this information to the first post:
This is the gameplay trailer currently being used to promote the game on Steam which uses the old (better) lighting and shading model:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ecITYi40tA
But if you're thinking that only the console versions have been downgraded, you might want to look at these images, which are also from the Dark Souls 2 steam page:
This is the gameplay trailer currently being used to promote the game on Steam which uses the old (better) lighting and shading model:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ecITYi40tA
But if you're thinking that only the console versions have been downgraded, you might want to look at these images, which are also from the Dark Souls 2 steam page:
Wow, I completely avoided Dark Souls 2 info until release because although I like the Souls games, I don't care THAT much about them. That being said, I believe I'm about half way thru the game, maybe I don't know but this whole time I wondering why they even put unlit lamps everywhere in the first place.
This actually makes me want to stop playing now until the PC release. Venturing thru these areas would've been way cooler and feel more dangerous had I actually needed a torch.
This actually makes me want to stop playing now until the PC release. Venturing thru these areas would've been way cooler and feel more dangerous had I actually needed a torch.
jacksepticeye
Member
If the PC version doesn't look like the previews then shit will really hit the fan
It sounds like you don't even know what this thread is about. This is about them continually marketing game features that aren't even in the game they're selling this week. Leave.
XANDER CAGE
Member
Wait, really? Hummmm.
FairXchange
Member
So essentially, one of the most vocal protesters of this downgrade can't discern the difference between the pre-launch build and the retail build.
That's why I much rather hear from people playing the game regarding this issue because it keeps unwanted hyperbole from detracting from this exceptional game's launch.
I agree with Xander Cage's points above ^, having sconces in the tutorial that have no purpose is just disappointing but luckily it seems superlative at best when compared to the overall game mechanics, level structure, enemies, exploration, etc that is built into the game.
Stratostar
Member
The game is good. Stop whining about the graphics.
Poetic.Injustice
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CountAntonius
Member
So we can have 20 page threads dedicated to 1080p vs 720p, which will never be news, but when a company straight lies up until release about the graphics, the thread should close?
Who is helped by this?
jacksepticeye
Member
You're missing the point completely. This isn't about how good or bad the game is. It's not even really about how good the visuals are anymore
Namco/FROM promoted their game showing off a brand new engine with great lighting that supposedly played a pivotal role in the combat and the overall mechanics in general only to completely change or remove it from the game.
redwolflim
Neo Member
Actually, Bandai Namco = eastern EA
To be honest, I didn't follow the graphic presentation/hype before, but I would be surprised if PS3/Xbox 360 managed to pull out such details
To be honest, I didn't follow the graphic presentation/hype before, but I would be surprised if PS3/Xbox 360 managed to pull out such details
enoki
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I have never seen the game run at this framerate; including in the same area. (PS3)
Wishmaster92
Member
Holy shit. I hope they have something to say about this.
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
Colonial Marines didn't have a 90% Metacritic.
jacksepticeye
Member
Pretty sure it's just the gif making it look slower
FROM aren't EA or Ubisoft, just getting 3 versions out was a massive undertaking for them. Besides I don't want 5 versions killing off multiplayer. I'm fricking sick of buying MP games that have been released on too many platforms for the player base to carry, so one platform dies off as everyone moves to one system, usually the version I don't have.
It's not as if FROM can't do crossplay between gens as the lighting and changes are too different. And MS won't do crossplay to none Xbox platforms anyway.
360 Version runs fairly well, I don't think that they did to well on the PS3 version
FairXchange
Member
To be honest, forcing people to pick up a torch in every dark region of the game, when torches are on a timer, seems rather heavy handed and potentially intrusive.
Some people have two handed builds, or are archers, a torch mechanic may not work with every kind of player. It's entirely possible that From realized this mechanic was not equal or all players.
One of the hallmarks of internet ragefests is the hyperbole that comes with it, case in point comparing Dark Souls 2 to fucking Colonial Marines. You have to laugh at it, I guess.
theusedversion
Member
It's easy to see that this thread is about a bunch if gamers organizing to throw a large hissy fit on Twitter because the game has different lighting than what they expected. C'mon the game looks fine. I cant believe that something so little could ruin your enjoyment of an IP that you really love. But go right ahead and I wish you luck to achieve whatever your purpose is.
Comfort Jones
Banned
"Changes were made during development due to performance issues".
Pretty sure that is just encoding differences.
Either way, nothing changes even if that is retail footage. They gave no mention that anything had changed and showed footage where you would not be able to tell unless you had access to the full game.
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Deleted member 22576
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Wait, there are no dragons flying across that bridge in the final release?
I... hm...
So we should only criticize bait-and-switch tactics if the game is panned?
CountAntonius
Member
I think at the very least they are doing a piss poor job of properly informing people what they are getting. One preview uses one build another use another, steam uses another. It's all over the place.
jacksepticeye
Member
Whether that's true or not we'll never know. It's not really the point at hand though either
Again, not the point. The quality of the game isn't the point of contention here. Seems a lot of people are just wading into these threads and leaving their 2 cents without fully understanding what people are talking about or are so mad about in the first place
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Deleted member 22576
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At this point this is just more fuel, but I feel any moran would be able to tell that first .gif is sure as shit not the same hardware we've been playing games on since 2006.
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XANDER CAGE
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I already tried to address this in my previous post, but I'll say it again: whether or not the game is still good has nothing to do with this. Nothing. Zip. Nada. Other things being good does not mean it's not worth pointing out things that are less good. Do we have to unconditionally love every episode of our favorite TV show? Do we even have to love every single aspect of our favorite episode?
I don't think you'll find much argument here: Dark Souls 2 is good. However, it has a pretty glaring problem: the removal of a much-touted lighting system that was meant to be a core mechanic of the game. To be honest, I don't even mind that they removed it - what I mind is the total silence on the subject leading up to release, and the fact that the decision to change the lighting was so last minute that FROM left remnants of the system in plain sight. I keep harping on the sconces torches, but seriously: apart from one area of the game, there is no need to ever use a torch, even though they're clearly supposed to be a central feature.
Torches have their own dedicated inventory slot and resource management (time) system, and sconces are everywhere. As I mentioned in a previous post, there is a rare item that can be wasted on a reward of a giant torch in a relatively early area that is useless in the final build because you could see everything just fine anyway. There's zero stress involved in managing torch time because you can easily acquire 50+ minutes of burn time, as there is nothing to use the torches for. All of this remains, yet none of it really does anything.
Dark Souls 2 is good. That doesn't mean we should turn a blind eye to what was obviously a rushed, poor decision.
jacksepticeye
Member
Same. I hate how damn secretive and elusive they've been about the PC version. It took them forever to even announce the date for it
Yet they continued to advertise parts of the game that were not present due to these 'changes'.
That's far more unforgivable than just cutting back for optimization, like you've been implying they did. If you think even a layperson should be able to know that isn't footage of a PS3/360 game, then there's no reason for Namco and From to lie about what the game would look like on those consoles.
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