dragonbane
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Sorry. My bad.
He said he got it from his sources. We will never know of course.
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UC4 Game Director Justin Richmond Leaves ND (And famousmortimer leaves GAF #1393)
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Well do we really owe anything to leakers? Nobody asked them to stick out their neck. And only a handful of times is it some crucial information that's really important for the customer. Risking your job to reveal that titanfall is 720p is not something heroic.
It's pretty crazy. Now his history is being erased and people are taking turns dropping loads on him.
At least it's not as bad as the cboat Titanfall 720p thread. There were armies of soldiers lining up to get him banned and acting like he was some villain for MS news lol. His 10 years of leaks were suddenly GONE to many people in that thread.
dragonbane
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Do you need proof or something? Stop with this buddy shit right now.
Pretty much my feelings on the topic as well
We should also all be a little bit more humble about ourselves since almost nobody protested Pete's original post in which he, without malicious intent, threw Col under the bus.
It doesn't matter whether his information was correct or incorrect. It was irrelevant to us and potentially damaging to somebody's career. That was the actual fuck-up, and apparently it was a fuck-up that many of us would have made had we been in Pete's position. Otherwise, more of us would have protested the original post, but nobody (or only few) did. On the contrary, I liked the post and thought it was a rational rebuttal of all the doom-and-gloom hyperbole. I didn't realize from reading the post that disclosing such kind of information is not ok in general. And I guess that many of us dancing on the grave of Pete's account didn't realize that as well.
Genuine jerk.
TheOctodad
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I don't even know who's right, nor do I really care, but these posts of yours are displaying a really bad attitude.
If you wanna see a bad attitude, check morts last posts.
Iacobellis
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Pete did tell me a few things back in July after I was able to give him a code for the Killzone beta. He told me at the time not to reveal any of it, but since we know most of it now and he's gone, I guess I could share. He messed up yesterday, but that doesn't mean he should be chastised to no end and then be debated over whether he truly 'leaked' anything or not. I can safely say he did. The VR tidbit was from August.
Graphics Horse
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Ah, that'll explain it.
...and he's gone. I'll retract my question as it's now moot.
Which is why I said earlier that this should be a time of introspection and not trying to cast all bad evils on the carcass that is famousmortimer so the village will be spared.
I also didn't think there was anything wrong with that wall of text because I saw it from the perspective of shutting down the conspiracy theories. Now with the knowledge of Col Rodger's post I feel super dumb and heartless.
jim-jam bongs
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Nothing to apologise for, I just wanted to be clear. At the end of the day, it's just vidya. I do think that the quality of discussion suffers when it's all tabloid rumour-mongering, though.
You really should inform yourself then, because he leaked stuff that was not heard on any interviews or rumored in any website. There's no doubt that he messed up this time, but he has been leaking legit stuff for a while. And it's not "guesswork"
AyaisMUsikWhore
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Ehhh no. I don't see it that way. IGN and all other publications that ran with the story on Amy did it all without siting any sources nor having any type of solid evidence to back it up. There are more cases like that where they have never been held responsible or accountable for making false accusation that potentially could damage others careers. Since they are bigger and work off a structure that allows them to make these mistakes without consequence, they can get away with it. It's not like people will unsubscribe and leave them barren. Obviously there's more to that..
But in this case, since he is one person, he has to take all the blame. He has to get ridiculed to no end. He will have to live with this for the rest of whatever professional career he's reaching for and it's simply not fair. Maybe he did do it to himself by going off on a limb a little too far without double checking for accuracy but is that something that he should only be accused of when the industry as a whole does this? I just don't think it's right for people to act like he has nothing to say anymore when he messed up once, doesn't deserve any credit for the stuff he has done (despite how small in volume it may have been), and to degrade him further just because he simply wasn't on their (biased) side. It's ridiculous... Simply put.
I felt this ban hammer coming. He was sailing pretty close to the wind there. Maybe I should have warned him. Doubt he would have listened.
Iacobellis
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Pete hit the nail on the head with Morpheus, though. Remember how we all expected it to show up at TGS or CES?
Seems like Last of Us HD-er is gonna be one of Sony's worst kept secrets right along the PS3 slim =p.
Borderlands 2 runs on UE3 too, no?
It's always the way, mate. It's unfortunately human nature to try to get your shots in when a man is down.
Huh? A 'mid 14 release'? Mid '15 maybe.
Oh no I didn't mean to discount any of that, just thinking outloud about how weird it is of Bethesda to throw any sort of money at bringing Dishonored to Vita so late when the system doesn't even support the engine the game runs on. Some producer must have been hitting the reefer pretty hard when he greenlighted that one, lol.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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On this, I don't think it was entirely about that. As always, everything is over blown with no clarification. It creates rumors and a huge article from like for example IGN to create fear without giving room for more information or any type of clarification. The same thing with Nintendo, the same thing with MS. To make it seem like it was purely only about Sony is kind of reaching. At the end of the day, whatever is going on at Sony is going on at Sony. Everyone wants to assume things before they get facts and that's how the issue starts.
Iacobellis
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I'm talking about where it was revealed. I mentioned GDC in the DM because that was the event Pete continued to peg at.
Yep, meaning that they're either going to have to port it to another engine or spend a lot of time porting down the engine to the Vita due to the lack of proper documentation from epic. Though they may have contacted the tech wizards over at Netherrealm as to where to how to get a proper foot forward, which would ease the pains significantly as they've already got their (super duper insanely modified crazy 60FPS) version of the engine running on Vita.
Morpheus is neither based on Sony's HMDs (one for video), nor shipping this year.
I'm also quite confident UC4 is not this year, but yeah, we'll see for that one.
I seriously doubt GT is either, but who knows.
EDIT: I don't want to make it sound like I don't think Mort was legit, I have no doubt he was. I spoke to him about Sony VR a year ago actually.
....Holy shit, what are you doing? Don't do this, please don't do this.
Iacobellis
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Do what? Prove the naysayers that Pete was credible when it came to leaks? I'm not trying to correct the mistakes he made yesterday, but you honestly can't say he was bad at what he did. CBoaT was far worse when it came to Sony. Remember, Pete was the only one denying the October release of the PS4.
DarkLordMalik
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No one expected Amy and Richmond's departure, so i am quite sure that the game won't ever see a 2014 release, late 2015 is more likely.
Jinfash
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That SSDHD2 bit... be still my fickle heart.
Even before that we knew The Order was going to be too close to holidays for Sony to publish a second AAA cover based third person shooter.
Let he who is without sin cast the next stone. That means me obviously lol.
Seriously stop being history revising jerks. If he did good, don't take that away. If he did bad, don't brush it under the rug.
Iacobellis
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We still got Resogun. The SSHD name was being thrown around due to it coming from the same developers.
digoutyoursoul
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I like them too but,,,ah Nevermind
Ha ha! That would be funny. Unfortunately I don't know enough about the dude to slag him off. Also I don't want to get banned myself so... the cycle has to end somewhere...
AyaisMUsikWhore
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Nah we are better than that. The issue with any insider info is that it's usually either second hand or third hand. I've been passed tidbits from time to time, and sometimes they've been right and sometimes they've been wrong. Often it's best to stay in the shadows with it and keep to yourself, because you run the risk that Pete ran into: the game of broken telephone blows up in your face. He said she said becomes personal and it isn't cool. I will say that Pete obviously had more direct info than someone like thuway ever did, but even people with near spotless decade long records mess up too, as with cboat. John Harker, ShockingAlberto, Matt, Gopher, Demon - these folks are still around because they are very careful with what they say. Something tells me people are going to be a little bit more tight lipped around here and maybe that's for the better until e3 rolls around
dragonbane
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Hey buddy, you are already banned, but since I spend 10 minutes searching for this I might as well post it too:
Jinfash
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Steverulez
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Hey buddy, you are already banned, but since I spend 10 minutes searching for this I might as well post it too:
This post is actually disappointing to me because it proves he did have insider information and was reliable (certainly at the beginning) I also remember he said a Batman game was coming to Vita before Arkham Origins/Blackgate were announced and that turned out to be true as well.
But he has changed with the hype he got, fame went to his head and I think Thuway is certainly going the same way. It seems he will perhaps tone it down a bit.
This sort of thing makes Thuway even less reliable though I said earlier he reads like Sony PR, that just looks likes hes being used by Sony to hype them up without knowing what he is actually hyping.
Chobel
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About thuway and the 6GB ram for game in PS4, it was also backed by kagari.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=73254796&postcount=2517
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EDITff-topic, what happened to nib?
kagari said:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=73254796&postcount=2517
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ff-topic, what happened to nib?
SEGAvangelist
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Too much thread shitting is my guess. He derailed quite a few with list wars.
dragonbane
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Yeah. I assume plans either changed, source was wrong or they heard from one specific studio that may already be targeting 6 GB, as Sony should be able to get the OS footprint down by 2016 and maybe told them in advance.
I think it's hard to avoid, especially on such a big forum as NeoGAF with so many people posting at the same time. At this point, Pete was known as a "GAF insider" and I guess people just assume most of the stuff he says is true. He had a good track record after all. I believed him. I had some questions about the $100 million budget from Stig's IP but it seemed "possible". Still not sure if that is true or not now.
I guess this thread has showed us the damage incorrect insider information can cause to people. Threads move so fast and information gets spread so fast, we don't think about the potential damage it might cause when something isn't true. People are quick to jump their guns and throw insults around, quick to blame without knowing the full story. I can't imagine how someone like Col must feel when he reads a NeoGAF thread where people discuss his incompetence and stuff because of information that isn't correct.
I was talking with some colleagues about the layoffs the other day, and I remember talking about Drive Club as well. Just figured the creative director left/was fired because of the many delays and the fact the game didn't look that good at first. When you then read the full story on here, it made me think how quickly I assumed I knew the full story when I was just basing most of my opinion on insider information. Feels bad.
Ah, no, I'm not talking about office politics. What I'm saying is that some developers are all for breaking PR cycles and eliminating this gross corporate culture of silence that surrounds what they're working on. I'm talking about the products. Plenty of people who work in the video game industry would be thrilled if they could talk more openly about what they've done, what they're doing, and what their work is like. They're just stifled by corporations and NDAs, which is why sometimes they leak things to "insiders" or websites like Kotaku, which in my biased opinion is the best way to go, because we have both a wide network of sources that we can use to corroborate information and our own legal team. (Imagine if Sony's lawyers threatened a GAF insider to give up his/her sources. What would happen?)
As for more gossipy stories, Leigh raises some interesting questions in that piece, and there are no easy answers. I believe that it's important for reporters to dig up the stories that answer big, pressing questions in the world of gaming - like "why did LucasArts fall apart?" or "how did Aliens: Colonial Marines turn out so horrible?" - but when a story just comes down to office politics and creative people butting heads, things can get rather messy, and there are legitimate questions about whether some office drama really needs to be made public.
People who have no experience or education in journalism vs. people who do? I don't know that there's such thing as a "trained insider." I like that there are people here who leak information (though it often seems like the insiders here enjoy pretending they know more than they actually do) because I'm all for uncovering secrets and making the video game industry more open, no matter who's doing it. But there's a lot of misinformation, too. Usually that's not a big deal. Sometimes, as in this case, it is.
When someone has cachet and a wide audience - whether that's a GAF insider being parroted here and on gaming sites like DualShockers, or a moderator on the front page of Reddit, or a writer for the New York Times - they also have a certain level of responsibility. If they don't understand that, or if they abuse their power, the results can be pretty scary.
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