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UC4 Game Director Justin Richmond Leaves ND (And famousmortimer leaves GAF #1393)
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One knows not to take a dump on the carpet.
I see it as if the person is like, "yo my bro mike wicks over at gamesrock says super fighter 3 is coming out in october, BUT DONT TELL ANYONE"...while posting it on the front page of gaf >_>
Trained is more like cboat.
He also leaked the insmoniac bretraylaton
OldKingDoran
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i think its just being aware of the influence your posts can have as an insider, especially when certain websites write articles based off neogaf posts and twitter.
Doing some very basic fact checking, not calling someone incompetent when you dont know if thats the reason they left/were fired.
Nicktendo86
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Thanks, appreciate it.
Not really. Cboat has been leaking bullshit as well lately.
Xbox One ass storm at launch? Never happened.
Titanfall resolution? Wrong again.
DarkLordMalik
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He also correctly predicted/leaked the news that Sony will release new Vita model, about the 64 GB card, and about the sort of a re-launch for the PS Vita in early 2014, i think.
dragonbane
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True.
Galactic Barret
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Yeah. I believe page 31 someone said he is just a doctor and he isn't a 'real' insider. Something like that.
Edit: beaten.
That is what really pissed me off about the whole thing.
Thanks, I missed that.
entremet
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Well Col mentioned that he's taking care of his son right now. I doubt responding to stuff like that is high on his priority list.
I can see why he did in hindsight as his personal reputation is on the line.
Yeah. I was more referencing where the advice came from. I seem to remember an article on Kotaku with an unfair, sensationalist headline that caused a bit of a flap recently.
oconnomiyaki
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I think people are missing the point about Mort here. It's not whether he's even right or wrong about stuff, or started a movement; it's about him buying into his own hype. I remember him getting shitty that he wasn't credited on some sites for the DriveClub news as if he was the only way that information got out. It got worse when journalists started quoting him as some kind of insider (and I hope they fucking learned their lesson here too). He started positioning himself as a personality and then needed to keep fuelling that. His desire to be someone was ultimately his undoing. He'll have to reflect long and hard on that. He's basically lost everything that's important to him bar his wife. I think a lot of people could also learn life lessons from this sordid affair.
Hockeymac18
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Yeah, I really don't have any issues with insiders being wrong from time to time (totally understandable). I just don't really care for insiders that have a clear (or unclear) heavy bias or agenda. It's one thing to just straight up disseminate facts and hearsay (which would be preferable). But it gets a little ridiculous when everything one says is pro-one side and anti-the other side (it also doesn't help if that person is generally really off on the anti-side rumors). It's especially damaging when this stuff gets pick up by the mainstream press (which it has and does, especially the negative stuff).
I generally find the positive stuff (for either side) a lot more fun to read, anyway.
If you're gonna be biased, fine: Just stick to what you know, especially if it's more related to one company. And please be a bit realistic and honest with what you're doing. Step back from what you type before you send it out to the internet and think about what kind of effects what you're typing might have on the industry or even individual people. Obviously saying stuff about individuals should be frowned upon (for obvious reasons, i.e. Col). But spreading FUD isn't all that great of a thing to do, either (and can indirectly affect people's livelihood, too).
I know I'm kind of pointing out Thuway specifically here (although I'm not saying it). And I don't mean to really just pick on him. If there was someone doing it on the MS side of things (spreading FUD about Sony (that is mostly untrue) and only spreading positive news about MS), I would be equally annoyed by it.
Thuway: you seem like a nice guy doing good work in this world. I just think you get a little carried away sometimes, and get engulfed by it all. I'm sure you've learned a great deal from this, so I hope you use that going forward.
Salvor.Hardin
Banned
This is a great post. Verbalizes a lot of what I've been wanting and trying to express. Thank you.
Nice summary. But certain people will never let the Sony-were-going-to-have-online-DRM-too idea go. You may need to post it in the Garnett on Games thread eventually.
Your "bullshit" is something that most likely was true or he heard it was true from a friend who he trusted, but was probably changed.
Which is why it was ludicrous that he was banned for it. He stuck his neck out for us and we took a piss on him for it. I wouldn't blame the guy, or other insiders for that matter, if they stopped posting here entirely because the precedent has been set that you can lose your right to be a part of the community over something like being incorrect on the pixel count of a game by like 2 fucking percent based on what you were told/heard.
The ass-storm in particular is a stupid ass thing to be pissed at him for, because if he knew it was bullshit, higher ups did too, and probably decided after the 180 it wasn't worth the pr and canned it.
Whoa, lots of things happened here. :/
First, Col_Rodgers, a lot of terrible shit is happening to you and the last thing you needed was having false rumors spreading about you. I wish only the best for both you and your son. Stories of children having diseases like that literally breaks my heart and all those things Pete said, when compared to your real story, is infuriating. The most frustrating thing in all of this is that you had to come out here yourself to explain your story and clear your name while you clearly have better, most important things to do, that's terrible.
I had respect for Pete since the whole DRM drama, but now it's all gone. That's a pretty well deserved ban for such a low blow. Leaks can stay leaks without going into people's personal lives. What happened here is a pretty good example of how ugly things can go.
Whatever, I think I made my point clear, while it must have been said many times in this gigantic thread already, I wanted to give my two cents because man, while Neogaf can be an awesome forum, sometimes we can be witnesses of some terrible stuff when some insiders thinks it for the greater good to go too far.
Godspeed, Col, you and your son must be strong, I'm pretty sure both of you already are though. My thoughts are with you.
First, Col_Rodgers, a lot of terrible shit is happening to you and the last thing you needed was having false rumors spreading about you. I wish only the best for both you and your son. Stories of children having diseases like that literally breaks my heart and all those things Pete said, when compared to your real story, is infuriating. The most frustrating thing in all of this is that you had to come out here yourself to explain your story and clear your name while you clearly have better, most important things to do, that's terrible.
I had respect for Pete since the whole DRM drama, but now it's all gone. That's a pretty well deserved ban for such a low blow. Leaks can stay leaks without going into people's personal lives. What happened here is a pretty good example of how ugly things can go.
Whatever, I think I made my point clear, while it must have been said many times in this gigantic thread already, I wanted to give my two cents because man, while Neogaf can be an awesome forum, sometimes we can be witnesses of some terrible stuff when some insiders thinks it for the greater good to go too far.
Godspeed, Col, you and your son must be strong, I'm pretty sure both of you already are though. My thoughts are with you.
Imbarkus
As Sartre noted in his contemplation on Hell in No Exit, the true horror is other members.
I know journalists want this. And I know a certain segment of gamers want this. But I'm not sure why developers would want this, if the end result is that their failures or rough periods or career slumps become SEO-supported accepted truths, rising to the top of their individual Google results for the rest of time.
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/211139/Irrational_Games_journalism_and_airing_dirty_laundry.php
At some point it becomes destructive to a company or product.
I think people can overestimate GAF's influence, but it's not nothing, and poisoning the well on here could really hurt a product.
GAF's mods have a responsibility to limiting that kind of thing, and they warned Cboat not to post the rumor, it was his decision, and he's not banned for life or anything.
Sorry, I take no pity on those who leak flimsy evidence based on nothing but, "I know someone who whispered secrets in my ear." As I said earlier, it often times results in nothing but pure FUD and creates shit storms at best or damaging situations like this at worst. Getting some inside scoop is not worth spreading false info and causing damage to those in the industry. But if you choose to light that fire, don't whine once you get burned by it.
SEGAvangelist
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Just got around to seeing this. Loving the truthfacts!
Steverulez
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My issue with CBOAT is that his ban was only 3 days, I dont feel the punishment fit the crime.
To suggest a perm would have been on the opposite side of the scale too far, but considering you have people like Statham getting two week ban for his post about Thuway - one that was clearly in jest and being told "dont fan the flames" (His words on twitter for the ban, not my speculation) seems disproportionate to CBOAT basically doubling down on what we pretty much already knew was factually incorrect.
The basis I believe has been mentioned before of an insider is not: 'they know what they're saying is 100% factually correct', but more that the person is 'in a position to likely know the information they're reporting'
And based on the second bit you can see the difference between someone like CBOAT who is seemingly (speculation) very close to what is going down at MS vs Mortimer who just knows some people and seemingly the fame went to his head.
I dont want to sound like im backseat modding, just discussing the differences.
A trained insider knows how to perform tricks. An untrained insider shits all over your bed.
digoutyoursoul
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What's his twitter ? I like that guy , I'm sure he will get over the ban
Big problem with the "I was right but it changed" defense. It means "insiders" can say anything they like with no consequences.
That is true. In this context it is important to recognize that none of us (or only very few) came to that realization after reading Pete's post. Consequently, most of us probably would not have realized this if they had been in Pete's position and had heard gossip about that story. The digging into people's lives has always been awkward in these threads, but I guess that most have not realized the real-world implications that all this can snowball into.
That Eurogamer thread was awful. God-awful in retrospective.
Everyone shitting on Leadbetter for being a sega fanboy (wtf) because he said something, that ended being truth, that sony-gaf didn't want to hear.
Precisely. You can't just create a landslide and then shrug it off after the damage is done once it turns out that it was wrong all along. "Oh well, it's just the nature of the beast. Sorry!" Give me a break, man.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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But insiders have to deal with this. What's happening in this thread. Big publications like IGN and the lots do the same thing but they don't get this much mud thrown at them. It's not fair. Regardless if an insider is wrong, they get the honor of being wrong. However being ridiculed endlessly over something so small verses other big names that can just do it every day of the week is ridiculous.
Did Sony come out and actually say what the memory allocation was? Is it on the spec sheet of the PS4?
Chobel
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In that thread thuway, verendus, kagari and another guy (approved by bish) said that the DF article is wrong.
Yes and it's a perm
mattiewheels
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I always agreed with what TotalBiscuit said about mort's involvement in the "No DRM" thing. That stunt campaign didn't "do" anything except create a lot of good PR leading into the E3 conference. Mort and those guys were getting a little too self-righteous about how much affect they had on that. If that's one of the reasons GAF doesn't like TB, then I think some people need perspective, he was right to call it out.
Steverulez
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Big sites have editors have plenty of people to look at a rumour and decide if its legit or not and whether they should consider publishing that information or not.
The insiders in this case are just people on a forum. I think when you have something like the post Mort made which ended up getting him in trouble was that really based on who he is and the way he presents himself was that people reading it are likely to consider more than speculation. He went out on a limb and didnt clarify it.
That's kind of irrelevant. He's putting the information he knows out there, and it's on us what we do with that information. For the record though, I don't see how undershooting the vertical resolution by 50 pixels or whatever damages the product at all. Especially given that the beta was out and people could clearly see that there was a discrepancy between what he was saying and what actually was. For all we know they could have been targeting 720p60 throughout the development, and that got misconstrued to him as "it's 720p", before it got bumped during optimization late in development. There's a thousand and one different possible reasons for the discrepancy, and banning him for the information turning up wrong is completely ridiculous. It's like putting a cat down because he meows too much. His function here is to leak things. To ban him for leaking something that ended up being incorrect, and probably because it was changed after the fact is just mind boggling to me. I mean ffs guys this is a classic example of wanting your cake and eating it too. Stuff changes, information may have been relayed incorrectly, someone might have had an agenda, intentional misinformation, etc. happens. It comes with the territory of leaks. Nature of the beast, and you can't have it both ways. Either gaf needs to ban leaks and formally request them not to be made under any circumstances or they shouldn't ban people because they happened to be wrong about something. Period.
For the record (because I know someone's going to bring it up), I consider mort's ban to be fine considering it was seemingly made in response to him seemingly being a shithead after the fact he was proven incorrect, and especially because of how he was proven to be incorrect. If he had just apologized and promised to be less of a condescending asshole about his information ("look at me i'm so special because i know somebody who knows somebody who works on games!", ugh") I would have been fire with letting him off the hook completely.
But that's not what happened at all.
He said it after we knew it was 792p or whatever.
I also believe he said it wouldn't use XBO's party chat system the day we saw video of it working with the new XBO party chat system.
andromeduck
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wow
I just checked up Pete's Twitter, at least the man seems to be acknowledging his mistakes and seems to not be feeling well about it at all.
Funny thing is that the first answer he got toward his apologies was concerning his GAF account, which he obviously doesn't give a fuck about. I wouldn't either after fucking up so badly, tbh.
Funny thing is that the first answer he got toward his apologies was concerning his GAF account, which he obviously doesn't give a fuck about. I wouldn't either after fucking up so badly, tbh.
Neither of those change what I said at all, really. The point's still the same, and in fact I even addressed that sort of scenario in that post.
holy shit did you just make a ytmnd?! it's like seeing a new dodo bird being born *wipes tear away*
Was that song in the movie Drive? Also that was hilarious
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