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[Coulomb_Barrier]

Notch makes CliffyB look a tad silly looking at those exchanges. And not just in the immediately obvious way of being wittier with his ripostes.

Saying he is motivated by principles and not capitalism kills any argument Cliffy is trying to make about his actions.

 

[FLEABttn]

Saying he is motivated by principles and not capitalism kills any argument Cliffy is trying to make about his actions.

Until you realize he ported his game to Android. And 360.

 

[Boken]

Until you realize he ported his game to Android. And 360.

and dont forget the microsoft temp-exclusivity agreement

oh yeah, notch really doesnt care about cash.

 

[Wickerbasket]

and dont forget the microsoft temp-exclusivity agreement

oh yeah, notch really doesnt care about cash.

Maybe he was a 360 fan. I mean, who didn't love the 360?

 

[Aaron]

Maybe he was a 360 fan. I mean, who didn't love the 360?

He certainly loved the check Microsoft cut him.

 

[zhorkat]

Like the controller, Valve would allow it to be used without any Steam integration if anyone wanted to.

Isn't Valve's Steamworks VR API only usable by game developers if the game is using Steamworks? I'm not absolutely certain on that, but if true that suggests the possibility that a consumer VR headset made by Valve might be restricted to Steam games.

 

[call_kotaku]

I guess it's best to discuss Notch's point instead of his character, since we all pretty much know what kind of person he is.

He canned a project that had next to no work done on it to stir up drama, but that doesn't really lend or detract from the idea of Facebook as a "bad" corporation.

 

[atr0cious]

I guess it's best to discuss Notch's point instead of his character, since we all pretty much know what kind of person he is.

He canned a project that had next to no work done on it to stir up drama, but that doesn't really lend or detract from the idea of Facebook as a "bad" corporation.

He has problem with them because they aren't all about games. It has nothing to do with being a "bad" corporation. MSFT is the worst of the worst, and notch had an exclusive with them. This is literally him mad it's Facebook, land of the casuals, that he has a problem with. That's why he's being called out for acting like a child.

 

[Boken]

if he really hates casuals, then who are all the people playing minecraft?

 

[Dire]

.... The guys from Oculus cashed out big and they totally deserve so, you're an idiot if you refuse that offer. ....

I'm not the biggest fan of Zuck but one thing you have to give him credit for is vision. Facebook had multiple opportunities to sell out, including a billion dollar offer from Yahoo at a time when competition in social sites was really heating up, and he passed on all of them until he himself ended up on top of a public company valued at tens of billions. I'm sure there were countless people also calling him an idiot for passing up on those offers, but he believed in his product and was immensely rewarded for that instead of just becoming some footnote in the history social media as Luckey will now likely become for VR.

 

[Zaptruder]

I'm not the biggest fan of Zuck but one thing you have to give him credit for is vision. Facebook had multiple opportunities to sell out, including a billion dollar offer from Yahoo at a time when competition in social sites was really heating up, and he passed on all of them until he himself ended up on top of a public company valued at tens of billions. I'm sure there were countless people also calling him an idiot for passing up on those offers, but he believed in his product and was immensely rewarded for that instead of just becoming some footnote in the history social media as Luckey will now likely become for VR.

To be fair to Luckey - these two had very very different trajectories as far as company ownership goes.

Zuck pretty much owned the shit wholesale for a long time, even as it was valued in the billions. He had the freedom to wait for it to become the biggest.

Luckey on the other hand brought in outside investors almost immediately in order to get the more expensive process of researching and developing VR headsets started as fast as possible.

By the time he brought int the venture caps - he wasn't even the majority owner anymore - and when Facebook came in - while his voice was important; it was only important for cheerleading for the quickest and most expedient path of making VR the next big thing; had he decided to dissent from that position (the one that he's always had - and the one that he's sold the other primary shareholders and investors on) - then the rest of the owners would've told him to get fucked and done it anyway.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

Amazing! Holy heck these guys are so unprofessional I love it!

You do know they are joking, right?

Saying he is motivated by principles and not capitalism kills any argument Cliffy is trying to make about his actions.

... how?

Even if his MS and Droid deals did not exist, how is he the bigger person by merely saying he does it for TEH ART?

 

[Miguel81]

Man, CliffyB represents his audience well. A whole generation of fucking trolls can thank this guy.

 

[Truespeed]

To add to the already brilliant back and forths between Notch and Cliffy B, here is the best one yet.

 

[Miguel81]

Is Cliffy's wife just another "notch" on his belt?

 

[Paches]

Biases. Not just you but many others. You had a choice between trusting an anonymous source, a sourced response from a company spokesperson or even not believing either one. You picked the anonymous source. Why?

Where did I pick the anonymous source to be more credible than a corporation? In fact I never mentioned the NYT story at all.

Stop creating scenarios that don't exist.

 

[SaberEdge]

You could be right, but if I were an investor, I'm not taking a 2 billion dollar gamble on a hunch.

At this point you have to ask yourself if developers will cede to such a demand. My suspicion is that some will, but most will not.

And who knows? Maybe Candy Crush and Farmville is all you need. But I don't think it becomes the hardware of choice with such restrictive use conditions.

Very often success in business comes down to having the foresight to see the potential in something long before it has been realized.

If you think Facebook is going to lock down the Rift to only support casual games like Candy Crush and Farmville, I'm sorry, but you are too naive to be taken seriously.

 

[Graphics Horse]

If you blur names and avatars, it's like 13-year olds fighting lol.

Just the names will do tbh.

 

[kodecraft]

Just the names will do tbh.

Haha, this.

 

[plainr_]

Just saw a promo on HBO for Oculus; Apparently they had some interactive GoT exhibit at SXSW

Guess this thing is really taking off

Yes it is.

 

[NomarTyme]

I ain't sad about this purchase anymore. Looking forward to see where Facebook take Oculus Rift.

 

[Gaffercake]

I know very little about this Oculus thing, and don't really fancy working my way through a 100 page thread, so can someone care to explain why it's so bad that that Facebook has acquired it?

 

[SaberEdge]

I know very little about this Oculus thing, and don't really fancy working my way through a 100 page thread, so can someone care to explain why it's so bad that that Facebook has acquired it?

It really isn't. I haven't seen a single credible argument put forward as to why this automatically has to be a bad thing. There are good reasons, though, to believe it will be a good thing. The extra resources the Facebook deal provides will allow them to bring a superior product to market. We're talking about a custom OLED panel with higher resolution and increased pixel density with smaller inter-pixel spaces, 90+Hz, reduced latency in the whole chain, more accurate positional tracking, etc.

They just hired Michael Abrash who was a Valve engineer whose blog I have been following for quite some time. He is, along with John Carmack, easily one of the world's foremost experts in VR.

Oculus is very quickly building the VR dream team and they are going to push VR forward in incredible ways.

 

[Guevara]

I know very little about this Oculus thing, and don't really fancy working my way through a 100 page thread, so can someone care to explain why it's so bad that that Facebook has acquired it?

Facebook makes almost all of their money from advertising, especially targeted ads. How do you expect Facebook to recoup their $2B investment? They certainly aren't a hardware company.

 

[atr0cious]

To add to the already brilliant back and forths between Notch and Cliffy B, here is the best one yet.

The best part about this is Cliffy not acknowledging Notch's underage wife burn.

 

[nomis]

The best part about this is Cliffy not acknowledging Notch's underage wife burn.

His what?

 

[SaberEdge]

Facebook makes almost all of their money from advertising, especially targeted ads. How do you expect Facebook to recoup their $2B investment? They certainly aren't a hardware company.

This is a long term investment. How do I expect them to recoup their investment? Well, by establishing the Oculus Rift as the premier VR gaming device on PC first of all. Once VR gets into enough homes and the price on the hardware goes down over time they will seek to expand into things like virtual tourism, education and social networking.

When they eventually build a VR social network--and we are talking about years from now--they will likely use ads to generate revenue. And what's wrong with that? They would be providing a product that millions of people would be choosing to use and finding great value in. It's not like a business just runs on air. And nobody is holding a gun to anybody's head. People use the products and services that they enjoy.

Gaming will continue to exist as one of the dominant uses of VR. But I'm sure even gamers will enjoy many of the other types of experiences VR will bring.

 

[PFD]

Well. I'd rather facebook than valve honestly. The latter would shove some steam bullshit into it whereas the former has left whatsapp and instagram alone as far as integration goes.

More likely scenario is OR would just get lost within Valve's flat structure and relegated to a hobby

 

[Spring-Loaded]

quoting this

 

[Estocolmo]

"Oculus VR Employees Are Getting Death Threats Following The $2 Billion Facebook Deal"

http://www.businessinsider.com/oculus-facebook-response-2014-3#ixzz2xSL6jlSr

 

[Boken]

Valve + Volvo suffered harassment after Diretide was absent in Dota2 also.

some people (gamers) can be pretty crazy and self entitled.

 

[Guevara]

"Oculus VR Employees Are Getting Death Threats Following The $2 Billion Facebook Deal"

http://www.businessinsider.com/oculus-facebook-response-2014-3#ixzz2xSL6jlSr

Despite the excitement, Iribe, founder Palmer Luckey, and vice president of product Nate Mitchell didn’t foresee the magnitude of the negative reaction to the announcement. “We assumed that the reaction would be negative, especially from our core community,” Mitchell told us. “Beyond our core community, we expected it would be positive. I don’t think we expected it to be so negative.​

Knew the fans and VR enthusiasts would hate it but did it anyway.

 

[Des0lar]

Despite the excitement, Iribe, founder Palmer Luckey, and vice president of product Nate Mitchell didn’t foresee the magnitude of the negative reaction to the announcement. “We assumed that the reaction would be negative, especially from our core community,” Mitchell told us. “Beyond our core community, we expected it would be positive. I don’t think we expected it to be so negative.​

Knew the fans and VR enthusiasts would hate it but did it anyway.

Because they know better than to listen to Reddit complainers

 

[SkeptiMism]

Despite the excitement, Iribe, founder Palmer Luckey, and vice president of product Nate Mitchell didn’t foresee the magnitude of the negative reaction to the announcement. “We assumed that the reaction would be negative, especially from our core community,” Mitchell told us. “Beyond our core community, we expected it would be positive. I don’t think we expected it to be so negative.​

Knew the fans and VR enthusiasts would hate it but did it anyway.

So what? Of course they knew there would be a backlash but there is a backlash to a lot of things if the value of the change can't be expressed immediately.

And that they knew there would be a backlash doesn't justify death threats.

 

[Stet]

Despite the excitement, Iribe, founder Palmer Luckey, and vice president of product Nate Mitchell didn’t foresee the magnitude of the negative reaction to the announcement. “We assumed that the reaction would be negative, especially from our core community,” Mitchell told us. “Beyond our core community, we expected it would be positive. I don’t think we expected it to be so negative.​

Knew the fans and VR enthusiasts would hate it but did it anyway.

Good for them. Fans of most things have a weird love-hate relationship where they don't want to see them get too popular.

 

[More_Badass]

Knew the fans and VR enthusiasts would hate it but did it anyway.

This is kind of ambiguous. Is your post positive or negative?

So what if fans or enthusiasts would hate it? They're just being short sighted, ridiculous knee jerk reactions, not looking at the bigger picture. Oculus made the best possible decision for the future of the company and the future of VR tech in general

 

[kehs]

gamers in alternate reality send death threats to people making a better alternate reality

 

[KHarvey16]

Knew the fans and VR enthusiasts would hate it but did it anyway.

The fact they correctly predicted the reaction and did with it exactly what it deserved gives me confidence in their ability to make good decisions.

 

[Faith]

We expected a negative reaction from people in the short term, we did not expect to be getting so many death threats and harassing phone calls that extended to our families.
We know we will prove ourselves with actions and not words, but that kind of shit is unwarranted, especially since it is impacting people who have nothing to do with Oculus.

http://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/comm...nt_expect_such_a_negative_reaction_to/cgf2htj

What the actual fuck?

 

[flyinpiranha]

Ha, saw this on reddit, pretty hilarious (I'm not against the acquisition personally as I've stated many times in this thread)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1-Ip4bzAdo

(sorry if it's been posted already)

 

[Wiktor]

Like the controller, Valve would allow it to be used without any Steam integration if anyone wanted to.

Realistically Valve doesn't have money and resources to make VR big though.

 

[Faith]

Ha, saw this on reddit, pretty hilarious (I'm not against the acquisition personally as I've stated many times in this thread)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1-Ip4bzAdo

(sorry if it's been posted already)

Pathetic.

 

[Sami+]

What the actual fuck?

The most disgusting part is that I'm not surprised. This happens all too often.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

What the actual fuck?

Holy shit at the comments going "sorry about the death threats, but you brought this on yourselves".

Retarded.

He didn't advocate death threats, he just said that it's the logical result considering certain factors that we've seen do this shit before.

Am I going to send death threats? No. Am I going to defend a company that shits on my good will for money? Nope. Personally, people really need to stop defending companies in general.

Who ARE these people?

 

[epmode]

The most disgusting part is that I'm not surprised. This happens all too often.

I would not be surprised if literally every public figure in videogames gets death threats from time to time. People can be pretty awful.

 

[MMaRsu]

I like it!

 

[notoccupanther]

As a mate of mine pointed out ... Does it, or does it not go against all that Kickstarter stands for that Mr Oculus took a shed load of dosh from good willing Kickstarter contributors and then shat on them all as he jumped into bed for 2BN with Facelbook?

RIDOCULUS

 

[Betta Lines]

As a mate of mine pointed out ... Does it, or does it not go against all that Kickstarter stands for that Mr Oculus took a shed load of dosh from good willing Kickstarter contributors and then shat on them all as he jumped into bed for 2BN with Facelbook?

RIDOCULUS

No. Kickstarter kickstarted it, now it's big business. It's a success story.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

As a mate of mine pointed out ... Does it, or does it not go against all that Kickstarter stands for that Mr Oculus took a shed load of dosh from good willing Kickstarter contributors and then shat on them all as he jumped into bed for 2BN with Facelbook?

RIDOCULUS

Lemme ask you this: did you really expect OR to be successful at all with the $2m that it got from KS?

 

[Valtýr]

As a mate of mine pointed out ... Does it, or does it not go against all that Kickstarter stands for that Mr Oculus took a shed load of dosh from good willing Kickstarter contributors and then shat on them all as he jumped into bed for 2BN with Facelbook?

RIDOCULUS

The Kickstarter was designed to allow it to get up and going. What happens after that has nothing to do with the Kickstarter.