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Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 6: Final Destination confirmed for not fun
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Red Arremer
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Did you guys notice that in the Grenizard CG trailer, they showed Pokeball pokemon only? Almost all there were confirmed as pokeballs, except for: Darkrai, Smugleaf, Chespin, Togepi, one other one I can't make out.
I'll post a screenie of it in just a moment (unless someone's quicker than me).
I'll post a screenie of it in just a moment (unless someone's quicker than me).
InvincibleAgent
Member
I didn't play much of Other M. The heels, meh. They're fine. She does look very nice!
Super Stardust
Member
I'm a Delphox fan myself, but Greninja looks awesome. At least Fennekin is a Pokeball poke.
theprodigy
Member
forget the background, FD needs Melee edges back
Kremlins were in the Smash Run trailer.
But K Rool won't be because they can't even be bothered to include him in the actual Donkey Kong games.
Dat Elite Four stage.
Also, this;
Absolutely flawless.
I thought for sure Mewtwo, then suddenly NOPE
SkullHydra
Member
Man, I'm not even getting past this hype! It's still going!
Neko Godot
Member
I'd have to think Sakurai has enough awareness to not continuously tease Ridley like that if he's just going to be a stage hazard. The whole situation surrounding that character is rather odd.
Lord_Byron28
Member
Also during the charizard/Greninja reveal trailer they show tons of pokemon appearing out of pokeballs most of which are pokemon confirmed to be in and a lot of them were ones that were previously pokeball pokemon.
I saw Togepi, Latias, Deoxys, Oshawott, Snivy, Zoroark, Swirlix, Gardevoir, Giratina, Kyogre, Inkay, Spewpa, Chespin, Suicune, Lugia and Snorlax. All of these pokeball pokemon appeared next to all of the already confirmed pokemon so I bet these are the rest of the Pokeball Pokemon which is pretty good and even distribution of different generations of pokemon.
He shouldn't be listed under the Wario series at all. He hasn't even had a cameo in a single Wario game.
Red Arremer
Member
REVEAL CALENDAR
EVENTS
June 11 2013: E3 Direct:
Smash 4 site opens, initial characters: Mario, Link, Kirby, Donkey Kong, Fox, Pit, Samus, Pikachu and Bowser as veterans and Villager, Mega Man and Wii Fit Trainer as newcomers. Stages: Battlefield, Boxing Ring, Wily's Fortress, Skyloft, Super Mario 3D Land., Wii Fit Training Room, Gerudo Valley, Arena Ferox, Nintendogs, Spirit Train, Smashville, Smash Run tease.
April 8 2014: Smash Bros. Direct: (only reveals that haven't been shown prior)
General: Release info (3DS Summer 2014, Wii U Winter 2014), transformations for characters have been removed, customizable moves for single/local games and online games with friends, online player conduct (with temp bans),
Characters: Yoshi, Sheik, Zero Suit Samus, Charizard, Greninja
Alt costumes: Male Wii Fit Trainer (confirmation), Wireframe Mac.
New mode Smash Run (only for 3DS): 4-player mode, Adventure Mode-esque gameplay to collect powerups (e.g. higher attack power, etc.) from defeated enemies, then a 4-player royale of the powered up players against each other. Enemy spawns also are random each playthrough. Similar to City Trial in Kirby Air Ride.
Enemies within this mode: Goomba, Stalfos, T-A-C, Kihunter, Reaper, Mettaur, Poppant (from Subspace Emissary), Tiki Buzz, Kritter (green and blue variants), Roturret (SSE), Bulborb, Chandelure, Mimicutie, Kamek, Hammer Bro. [will go through this bit to pick up the not named enemies as well, help is appreciated]
Online: 2 online ladders vs randoms ("For Fun" and "For Glory") with different rules for each, online play with friends has customizable rules, solo mode scores compared online (it shows how many people you beat)
Stages generally: Final Destination, stages that are on both versions (e.g. Battle Field) will have different looks, Final Destination is customizable with looks and music. Every stage has 2 tracks on the 3DS version, and a My Music menu ala Brawl in the Wii U version. Several boss characters in stages.
3DS Stages: Find Mii (proper confirmation with view of the stage), Balloon Fight, Jungle Japes (from Melee)
Wii U Stages: Palutena's Temple (proper confirmation), Halberd (from Brawl), Yellow Devil as a stage hazard confirmed
Items: Barrel, Beam Sword, Smart Bomb, POW Block, Fire Bar, Back Shield, Bombchu, Rocket Belt,
Regular Trophies: Tiki, Fi, King Kihunter, Pseudo-Palutena
Assist Trophies: Samurai Goroh, Devil, Knuckle Joe, Saki Amamiya, Lyn, Dr. Wright, Midna, Dark Samus, Chain Chomp, Elec Man, Color TV-Game 15
Pokeballs: Master Ball version of the Pokeball only makes rare Pokemon appear, Arceus, Meowth, Electrode, Eevee, Staryu, Metagross, Fennekin, Meloetta, Gogoat, Entei, Deoxys, Kyurem, Victini, Keldeo, Xerneas (full confirmation).
Music: For Skyloft: Ballad of the Goddess (Arrangement and Original), Main Theme (Arrangement), Ocarina of Time Medley (Arrangement), Saria's Song (Arrangement).
DAILY PICS
2013:
June 12: Smash Ball item.
July 12: Pikmin & Olimar, Garden of Hope Wii U stage.
Jul 23: Kid Icarus 3DS stage.
August 6: Pilot Wings/Wuhu Island Wii U stage.
Aug 7: Luigi.
Aug 16: X-Bomb item.
Aug 20: Pyrosphere Wii U stage.
September 10: Mario Galaxy Wii U stage (tease).
Sep 12: Peach.
Sep 26: Toon Link.
October 1: Sonic and Windy Hill Wii U stage.
Oct 18: Xerneas (likely to be a Pokeball).
Oct 31: Male Wii Fit Trainer (Status currently unknown - alt costume?).
November 4: Hocotate Spaceship item.
Nov 7: Marth.
Nov 11: Capsule item.
Nov 15: Mario Galaxy stage full confirmation.
Nov 26: Ray Gun item.
December 3: Find Mii 3DS stage.
Dec 6: Assist Trophy returns. Skull Kid as AT.
Dec 9: Steel Diver item.
Dec 11: Animal Crossing 3DS stage (tease).
Dec 13: Nintendog as AT.
Dec 18: Rosalina & Luma. Trailer confirms Fire Flower, Green Shell, Pokeball items.
Dec 24: Rainbow Road 3DS stage.
Dec 25: Stafy as AT.
Dec 26: Zelda.
2014:
January 6: Trophy item. Saria trophy.
Jan 10: King Dedede.
Jan 15: Ashley as AT.
Jan 20: Smash Run teaser #2.
Jan 23: Viridi as stage hazard on Kid Icarus 3DS stage.
Jan 24: Alfonzo replaces Toon Link on the Spirit Tracks 3DS stage when TL is played.
Jan 28: Beetle item.
Jan 29: Kid Icarus-related Wii U stage.
Jan 31: Lucario.
February 5: Palkia in Pokéball.
Feb 7: Mother Brain as AT.
Feb 12: Homerun Bat item.
Feb 13/14: Little Mac. Boxing Ring stage in 3DS version, with Punch Out!! version. Sandbag item possibly confirmed (not shown in-game).
Feb 18: Fairy in a bottle item.
Feb 21: Diddy Kong.
Feb 25: Confirmation Boxing Ring stage has 2 versions (Smash. Bros and Punch-Out!!).
Feb 27: Waluigi as AT.
Feb 28: Dedenne in Pokeball.
March 3: Kotake and Koume as stage hazard on Gerudo Valley.
Mar 4: Bumper item.
Mar 7: Tortimer Island 3DS stage (full reveal).
Mar 10: Little Mac from Captain Rainbow trophy.
Mar 11: Lumiose City 3DS stage.
Mar 13: Proximity Mine item.
Mar 15: Tomodachi Collection 3DS stage.
Mar 17: Smashball item in-game.
Mar 18: Super Mario 3D Land stage overview.
Mar 21: Phosphora trophy.
Mar 24: Cuccoo item (or AT).
Mar 26: Ore Club item.
Mar 27: Andross as AT.
April 2: Gust Bellows item.
Apr 4: Isabelle as AT.
Apr 7: Metroid as AT.
Apr 8: Crate item (with 3 visual variants).
Post-Direct screenshots: Bellossom as Pokeball, Bunny Hood item.
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Feel free to point out anything I might have missed from the Direct (particularly items or Smash Run enemies).
EVENTS
June 11 2013: E3 Direct:
Smash 4 site opens, initial characters: Mario, Link, Kirby, Donkey Kong, Fox, Pit, Samus, Pikachu and Bowser as veterans and Villager, Mega Man and Wii Fit Trainer as newcomers. Stages: Battlefield, Boxing Ring, Wily's Fortress, Skyloft, Super Mario 3D Land., Wii Fit Training Room, Gerudo Valley, Arena Ferox, Nintendogs, Spirit Train, Smashville, Smash Run tease.
April 8 2014: Smash Bros. Direct: (only reveals that haven't been shown prior)
General: Release info (3DS Summer 2014, Wii U Winter 2014), transformations for characters have been removed, customizable moves for single/local games and online games with friends, online player conduct (with temp bans),
Characters: Yoshi, Sheik, Zero Suit Samus, Charizard, Greninja
Alt costumes: Male Wii Fit Trainer (confirmation), Wireframe Mac.
New mode Smash Run (only for 3DS): 4-player mode, Adventure Mode-esque gameplay to collect powerups (e.g. higher attack power, etc.) from defeated enemies, then a 4-player royale of the powered up players against each other. Enemy spawns also are random each playthrough. Similar to City Trial in Kirby Air Ride.
Enemies within this mode: Goomba, Stalfos, T-A-C, Kihunter, Reaper, Mettaur, Poppant (from Subspace Emissary), Tiki Buzz, Kritter (green and blue variants), Roturret (SSE), Bulborb, Chandelure, Mimicutie, Kamek, Hammer Bro. [will go through this bit to pick up the not named enemies as well, help is appreciated]
Online: 2 online ladders vs randoms ("For Fun" and "For Glory") with different rules for each, online play with friends has customizable rules, solo mode scores compared online (it shows how many people you beat)
Stages generally: Final Destination, stages that are on both versions (e.g. Battle Field) will have different looks, Final Destination is customizable with looks and music. Every stage has 2 tracks on the 3DS version, and a My Music menu ala Brawl in the Wii U version. Several boss characters in stages.
3DS Stages: Find Mii (proper confirmation with view of the stage), Balloon Fight, Jungle Japes (from Melee)
Wii U Stages: Palutena's Temple (proper confirmation), Halberd (from Brawl), Yellow Devil as a stage hazard confirmed
Items: Barrel, Beam Sword, Smart Bomb, POW Block, Fire Bar, Back Shield, Bombchu, Rocket Belt,
Regular Trophies: Tiki, Fi, King Kihunter, Pseudo-Palutena
Assist Trophies: Samurai Goroh, Devil, Knuckle Joe, Saki Amamiya, Lyn, Dr. Wright, Midna, Dark Samus, Chain Chomp, Elec Man, Color TV-Game 15
Pokeballs: Master Ball version of the Pokeball only makes rare Pokemon appear, Arceus, Meowth, Electrode, Eevee, Staryu, Metagross, Fennekin, Meloetta, Gogoat, Entei, Deoxys, Kyurem, Victini, Keldeo, Xerneas (full confirmation).
Music: For Skyloft: Ballad of the Goddess (Arrangement and Original), Main Theme (Arrangement), Ocarina of Time Medley (Arrangement), Saria's Song (Arrangement).
DAILY PICS
2013:
June 12: Smash Ball item.
July 12: Pikmin & Olimar, Garden of Hope Wii U stage.
Jul 23: Kid Icarus 3DS stage.
August 6: Pilot Wings/Wuhu Island Wii U stage.
Aug 7: Luigi.
Aug 16: X-Bomb item.
Aug 20: Pyrosphere Wii U stage.
September 10: Mario Galaxy Wii U stage (tease).
Sep 12: Peach.
Sep 26: Toon Link.
October 1: Sonic and Windy Hill Wii U stage.
Oct 18: Xerneas (likely to be a Pokeball).
Oct 31: Male Wii Fit Trainer (Status currently unknown - alt costume?).
November 4: Hocotate Spaceship item.
Nov 7: Marth.
Nov 11: Capsule item.
Nov 15: Mario Galaxy stage full confirmation.
Nov 26: Ray Gun item.
December 3: Find Mii 3DS stage.
Dec 6: Assist Trophy returns. Skull Kid as AT.
Dec 9: Steel Diver item.
Dec 11: Animal Crossing 3DS stage (tease).
Dec 13: Nintendog as AT.
Dec 18: Rosalina & Luma. Trailer confirms Fire Flower, Green Shell, Pokeball items.
Dec 24: Rainbow Road 3DS stage.
Dec 25: Stafy as AT.
Dec 26: Zelda.
2014:
January 6: Trophy item. Saria trophy.
Jan 10: King Dedede.
Jan 15: Ashley as AT.
Jan 20: Smash Run teaser #2.
Jan 23: Viridi as stage hazard on Kid Icarus 3DS stage.
Jan 24: Alfonzo replaces Toon Link on the Spirit Tracks 3DS stage when TL is played.
Jan 28: Beetle item.
Jan 29: Kid Icarus-related Wii U stage.
Jan 31: Lucario.
February 5: Palkia in Pokéball.
Feb 7: Mother Brain as AT.
Feb 12: Homerun Bat item.
Feb 13/14: Little Mac. Boxing Ring stage in 3DS version, with Punch Out!! version. Sandbag item possibly confirmed (not shown in-game).
Feb 18: Fairy in a bottle item.
Feb 21: Diddy Kong.
Feb 25: Confirmation Boxing Ring stage has 2 versions (Smash. Bros and Punch-Out!!).
Feb 27: Waluigi as AT.
Feb 28: Dedenne in Pokeball.
March 3: Kotake and Koume as stage hazard on Gerudo Valley.
Mar 4: Bumper item.
Mar 7: Tortimer Island 3DS stage (full reveal).
Mar 10: Little Mac from Captain Rainbow trophy.
Mar 11: Lumiose City 3DS stage.
Mar 13: Proximity Mine item.
Mar 15: Tomodachi Collection 3DS stage.
Mar 17: Smashball item in-game.
Mar 18: Super Mario 3D Land stage overview.
Mar 21: Phosphora trophy.
Mar 24: Cuccoo item (or AT).
Mar 26: Ore Club item.
Mar 27: Andross as AT.
April 2: Gust Bellows item.
Apr 4: Isabelle as AT.
Apr 7: Metroid as AT.
Apr 8: Crate item (with 3 visual variants).
Post-Direct screenshots: Bellossom as Pokeball, Bunny Hood item.
-----
Feel free to point out anything I might have missed from the Direct (particularly items or Smash Run enemies).
Brainfreeze
Member
So, with moveset customization added, do we even need Falco/Wolf? Honest question. I'm not huge on competitive smash, but it seems like they could just be recreated with Fox anyway, or mixed and matched to make an ideal character.
StreetsAhead
Member
The other was Inkay.
Also, regarding the bolded:
You can see Snorlax in the pic Serebii posted to Twitter, but he left it off the Pokeball page for some reason. He's gone to sleep, but I'll get him to fix it.
EDIT: Got him to add Snorlax.
Hyperactivity
Banned
backs away
RMS Gigantic
Member
Can someone make a gif of the Color TV Game 15 sequence? That's going to be, by far, my favorite assist trophy, unless Sakurai tops himself with an even more obscure Nintendo history reference, such as the animals from Nintendo's World War II propaganda board game.
Other M Ridley on Pyrosphere, Super Metroid Ridley playable.
Red Arremer
Member
Go away.
Wolf has 0 A-moves in common with Fox, and his special moves differ so significantly from Fox's that they might as well be considered entirely unique moves.
It seems that custom moves are special only.
And even if they extended to all moves, people like those characters for more than their moves; this isn't just about gameplay.
theprodigy
Member
I doubt customization can go that far, nor will it be used much competitively.
Your first mistake is thinking that Wolf is a clone
Neko Godot
Member
SenorArdilla
Member
And it's the same Sakurai who explicitly said that Samus would no longer be able to turn into ZSS and that transformations are out. Then he shows ZSS.
Then again, these are probably the same people who thought Ness was cut from the game because "UP UNTIL NOW" happened.
The Xtortionist
Member
Hurts so bad, mang. Those Melee stream numbers at EVO...
Oh well. Assuming the netcode holds up and For Glory is stock and without a silly time limit (like 2 minutes or something), I can deal with FD-only. The ability to actually matchmake 1v1 with no items is crazy as fuck for this company.
Riposte
Member
Just so people know, For Glory mode doesn't look to be stock-based. There were no stocks shown and they explicitly said you could set stocks during friend play, which makes it sound like it isn't available for matchmaking.
I think the online features sound terrible. It's hardly better than Brawl and in some ways a step back. When compared to popular online games, it lacks basic stuff like playlists, lobbies, and stage select. It might not even have team battle, but I'll wait and see on that one.
The game will probably be heavily ripped for it after hype wears off and it is just a normal videogame in people's hands (which is what happened with Brawl).
This sounds a little too much like some BS hitching onto the first leak. They couldn't be bothered to name which Pokemon or the fact Pokemon Trainer isn't in it?
I think the online features sound terrible. It's hardly better than Brawl and in some ways a step back. When compared to popular online games, it lacks basic stuff like playlists, lobbies, and stage select. It might not even have team battle, but I'll wait and see on that one.
The game will probably be heavily ripped for it after hype wears off and it is just a normal videogame in people's hands (which is what happened with Brawl).
This sounds a little too much like some BS hitching onto the first leak. They couldn't be bothered to name which Pokemon or the fact Pokemon Trainer isn't in it?
Red Arremer
Member
User 73706
Banned
My dream roster would take some of the dupes (Fox and Falco, Lucas and Ness) and just make them alt-skins. I'd rather newcomers (or Mewtwo) take up those slots if need be.
The "How to Play" theme from Brawl, which was remixed from Melee I think.
My takeaways:
Tears
-pokemon trainer, RIP. One of the most unique characters they could have cut. Fuck you, samurai.
-moar pokeymans. I love the series and Greninja looks awesome, but Smash is supposed to be a tribute to videogames and nintendo franchises. They removed the single character that actually represented the gameplay of pokemon, and put in someone with a generic moveset. They need to just get it over with and come out with pokken fighters, and stop cramming non-avatar pokemon into Smash.
-The new Romano Rumor makes me think that that may be the extent of the new characters (given that there are a lot). I don't give a shit about the vast majority of them.
-No Wonder Red (see above)
-No Takamaru (see above)
Positives
+ Chorus guy from rhythm heaven would blow my fucking mind and make all of my above complaints moot.
Tears
-pokemon trainer, RIP. One of the most unique characters they could have cut. Fuck you, samurai.
-moar pokeymans. I love the series and Greninja looks awesome, but Smash is supposed to be a tribute to videogames and nintendo franchises. They removed the single character that actually represented the gameplay of pokemon, and put in someone with a generic moveset. They need to just get it over with and come out with pokken fighters, and stop cramming non-avatar pokemon into Smash.
-The new Romano Rumor makes me think that that may be the extent of the new characters (given that there are a lot). I don't give a shit about the vast majority of them.
-No Wonder Red (see above)
-No Takamaru (see above)
Positives
+ Chorus guy from rhythm heaven would blow my fucking mind and make all of my above complaints moot.
"I'm literally blind"
Well it looks like grenades are not the only thing Sheik is getting from Snake >.>
Hopefully Sheik gets a few more tricks. imo she was getting kinda dull.
the thing is that they know that. They develop the game and they are not stupid. It doesnt make sense at all to pick battlefield and turn it into final destination in "for glory" mode. Something is wrong here... i am lost, really.
theprodigy
Member
....you're dealing with Nintendo fans
Some of these clones take almost no time/effort compared to "full" characters, and as such, Lucas didn't really take... say, Ridley's or Waluigi's place. And what moveset changes they have ultimately make them really different to use compared to the "original" character. I never oppose clones, clones mean MORE characters overall, and not they making it instead of other characters.
PaperFlame
Member
This was literally the best thing in the direct.
I wouldn't rule out Ridley just yet. There is still a chance, that Sakurai builds up the most epic troll in history since Metal Gear Soild 2. Because if you listen to his wording, he is technical right, there will be other boss characters on other stages ... like Bowser, Ganondorf, Donkey Kong or possible Ridley as player characters. Sakurai clearly knows, that many people really want Ridley into the game. It would be really cruel and not very funny to be just an asshole to them over this long time without an actual punchline. And as the Direct shows, he is this time listing really to the fans.
But i actually don't really care for Ridley much and happy that Little Mac made it and Mario looks freaking badass. My only problems is Final Destination only, since i think that Battlefield is a much more balanced and fun setup, and not having Stock-Matches as the the default for Random-Matches. Just make it Stock with a Time-Limit. The rest sounds fantastic... even if it's hard to wait for the WiiU-Version ... but the 3DS Version will cheer me up until Winter 2014 =)
Seems pretty likely. You should be able to set up a lobby with specific things. Like at least items vs no item, a stage rotation, stock and time settings. At least these things.
Mr. Smiley
Member
This is the where the game grabbed me by the balls.
Brainfreeze
Member
Didn't say that, but given how different mario's fireballs were, I feel like they're close enough that it's possible. If character's had to be cut this could be a way to attempt and compensate for it, at least.
Just and idea. We've yet to see any clones so until they're revealed I'm not counting anything out.