LordOcidax
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Angry Joe gets called out by IGNs review editor for misquoting their Titanfall review
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QisTopTier
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I agree going in detail about games he reviews is something only a 14 year old does. He should do a short 3 paragraph review and slap a 9 down without going into detail about the said score
Teletraan1
Banned
I dont get this obsession with holding Youtube personalities to some sort of Journalistic integrity. Joe doesn't have to be professional or classy or anything else, he just has to be who he is. It is the reason people watch this stuff. Because the character/personality resonates with them much more than some snarky/combative to their viewer/readership games journalist. If you don't like him or his demeanor or he didn't call you sir while adjusting his monocle after meeting him or whatever other problem you have with him you are free to avoid his youtube page and his twitter as well.
The people harping on Joe are probably the same stiff shirts that hated Joel McHale on that vgas or whatever that was. This whole industry and everything involved in it is too PR driven and personally I like when someone comes in and just says whatever they want. Fuck being professional.
The people harping on Joe are probably the same stiff shirts that hated Joel McHale on that vgas or whatever that was. This whole industry and everything involved in it is too PR driven and personally I like when someone comes in and just says whatever they want. Fuck being professional.
Johnny Cage In The Shower
Member
Hehe
I didn't post the link deliberately to avoid diverting the thread too far off topic.. Speaking of, there's probably a thread about this in the OT.
But yeah, if you want to cleanse your brain from the garbage of two "game journalist" arguing about .1 game scores and 'Previews vs. Reviews' on Twitter, I highly recommend reading it.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
None of that changes the way he acted on Twitter. Which wasn't anywhere close to being mature.
neither does Respawn
Correction: Chuck Norris wins every internet argument.
That's also the reason why many don't respect him. Sure he can be the angry guy but there's this thing called tact and while neither side showed any, he shouldn't be exempt because he makes his money off YouTube.
Vincent Alexander
Member
Am I reading the correct tweets? I thought he handled it well. The argument devolved a bit between them, but honestly, you can only make the same argument so many times while another disregards your statements before you want to punch your monitor.
Oh snap!
I have no opinion on Angry Joe, as I'm not a huge fan, but I agree youtube personalities like Angry Joe are not exempt from having integrity. It's ridiculous to think otherwise.
Well, it's a good thing Joe did not claim IGN gave the game a 9.0, then. Direct transcript:
"I'm surprised this game is getting such high scores, you know, at major outlets. 'Believe the hype!' '10/10!' '9/10!'"
Even if someone, somehow, thinks this means Joe says IGN gave the game a 9.0 - why doesn't it also mean Joe says IGN gave the game a 10.0? That's not the same as 8.9, either. It's almost as if the person latching onto the 9.0 is implicitly admitting 8.9 is pretty much the same thing as far as game criticism is concerned.
But I digress. The only sensible interpretation is that the exclamations are not to be taken literally and applied to every possible instance of "major outlet" - they are a dramatic way to underline what was said in the first sentence. High scores. IGN, too, gave the game a high score. Whether it was five stars out of five, six leprechauns out of seven, or 8.9 on their silly special snowflake scale, it's a high score.
Now here's a paragraph of my original writing:
Hey! Every major outlet is giving the game high scores! 9.751/10! 11/10! Every outlet! Both of those scores at the same time! Can you please take this literally too and start arguing against it?
Zen_Arcade
Banned
This is the point a lot of people seem to be missing. How Joe acted wasn't wrong because he's supposed to be some kind of journalist and have more professionalism, how he acted was wrong because having a snarky attitude and calling people names isn't the way any adult should be acting. Just because it's persona or schtick someone uses in videos doesn't mean they get to go around being rude to people. He just comes off as extremely immature.
How are calling someone a self important baby, an idiot, asking how they still have their job, and asking if they want a cookie handling the situation well?
True, you can't say that 8.9 is 9.0. But you can say it's 9.
Seems like a pretty pedantic argument, but Stapleton is pretty much correct across the board. Though the 0.1 difference is pretty small, it does actually fall into a different category according to ign's little blurb box that accompanies the score, so I'd say it's fair for stapleton to point out the difference.
The dissing of the preview and operating under the pretense of it being a review is also pretty inconsequential on it's own, but Stapleton is again right that it misrepresents the review.
Basically Joe's misrepresentation is not exactly slanderous, but if taken in earnest which Stapleton is entitled to do, it is indeed misrepresentation. And you could even say defending the integrity of the reviews is part of his job, but then again something something IGN reviews.
Also Joe definitely conciously chose to represent IGN like this. He chose specific quotes to back up his points and rounded up scores, because it's in his interest to talk down games reviewers as mindless hype mongers, as it suits the narrative of his channel, which is what his viewers want to see. That's fine though, but he should understand that he can get called out on that.
The dissing of the preview and operating under the pretense of it being a review is also pretty inconsequential on it's own, but Stapleton is again right that it misrepresents the review.
Basically Joe's misrepresentation is not exactly slanderous, but if taken in earnest which Stapleton is entitled to do, it is indeed misrepresentation. And you could even say defending the integrity of the reviews is part of his job, but then again something something IGN reviews.
Also Joe definitely conciously chose to represent IGN like this. He chose specific quotes to back up his points and rounded up scores, because it's in his interest to talk down games reviewers as mindless hype mongers, as it suits the narrative of his channel, which is what his viewers want to see. That's fine though, but he should understand that he can get called out on that.
Angry Joe aside for a moment, if someone from IGN goes to AJ's twitter to complain about being quoted out of context, why didn't IGN do the same on EA's twitter account? In origin I often see the Titanfall ad with IGN's "Believe the hype" quote.
Ideally sites like IGN are supposed to "flow" with gamer interests so any business party involved is temped to direct that flow towards their shiny new title. Again not accusing IGN of taking money from EA/Microsoft/Respawn but it does look like content was exchanged for coverage.
Ideally sites like IGN are supposed to "flow" with gamer interests so any business party involved is temped to direct that flow towards their shiny new title. Again not accusing IGN of taking money from EA/Microsoft/Respawn but it does look like content was exchanged for coverage.
Vincent Alexander
Member
Because as far as I'm concerned, Joe had made plenty of valid points by the time name calling started (if being called a baby can be considered name calling). And the responses back were all shit. At some point, I think Joe realized fuck it, we're getting nowhere and the name calling began. I would've been frustrated too and lost it much sooner.
Muffdraul
Member
And you can say 8.9 is 90. You can say it's 90,000,000. You can say 8.9 is a chocolate soufflé. Big fucking deal.
Vincent Alexander
Member
In all honesty, I think the worst part is that Stapleton comes off like he was looking for a fight. If he truly gave a shit, he should've written a response to Joe's review on IGN. Or hell, even a personal blog. But twitter? Come on, son.
That "8.9 is a category of score different from 9" talk is straight up ridiculous. Of all the people who read IGN, how many know about the ins and outs of their scoring system?
You can make up all the rules you want, at the end of the day an 8.9 is gonna come across as a 9 for the vast majority of people reading the review, and they're delusional if they think otherwise.
The 100-point scale is broken and was always broken.
Also... it's been a month since Angry Joe posted his review. If that IGN dude had a problem with it, which I can understand even if I disagree, he should've said something right then.
Making a passive agressive comment on twitter so long after the fact is pathetic and childish. I don't particularly like Angry Joe's character, but that other guy is a twat for bringing that up the way he did.
Joe did call him an idiot and he shouldn't have done that either, but to be fair that was after more than an hour of him trying to be reasonable. At some point the man gotta live up to his dumb name I suppose...
You can make up all the rules you want, at the end of the day an 8.9 is gonna come across as a 9 for the vast majority of people reading the review, and they're delusional if they think otherwise.
The 100-point scale is broken and was always broken.
Also... it's been a month since Angry Joe posted his review. If that IGN dude had a problem with it, which I can understand even if I disagree, he should've said something right then.
Making a passive agressive comment on twitter so long after the fact is pathetic and childish. I don't particularly like Angry Joe's character, but that other guy is a twat for bringing that up the way he did.
Joe did call him an idiot and he shouldn't have done that either, but to be fair that was after more than an hour of him trying to be reasonable. At some point the man gotta live up to his dumb name I suppose...
Looking for a fight? No. Calling someone out on a wrongdoing? Yes.
You think this Stapleton guy would seriously write an article about AJ's review, which in no way would benefit IGN in the least bit. If you're going to call someone out, nowadays it's going to be on Twitter so let's stop acting like this is beneath us. Twitter's not going anywhere any time soon.
SuperAndroid17
Member
8.9 good
9.0 Amazing
9.0 Amazing
I'm at 180 hours and am as happy as I was with the first ten. This shit is subjective. Something the cretinous, feature-checklist mentality attempts to conceal, as if feature quality emerges from quantity.
Another aside:
The line about 'the couch and Xbox Live being the ecosystem it's best enjoyed in' is comedy.
Vincent Alexander
Member
No one is saying Twitter is going anywhere. But come on...140 character limit? That seems like a terrible avenue for calling someone out. So if he wasn't looking for a fight, at minimum he chose a shitty place for a good, legitimate argument.
I am not a big fan of such narrow numbering. All it does is encourage exactly what we're seeing now. I am totally with you.
I couldn't agree more. They really are pretty much the same thing. But you can't say that it IS the same thing, that's all I'm arguing.
pants
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The only time I am ever reminded that IGN is still a thing is via awkward box quotes and neoGAF scorn. Well only neoGAF scorn now that I buy digitally mostly.
I dislike Joe but that IGN guy is a right baby.
What in the fuck is this bullshit?
I dislike Joe but that IGN guy is a right baby.
I'm at 180 hours and am as happy as I was with the first ten. This shit is subjective. Something the cretinous, feature-checklist mentality attempts to conceal, as if feature quality emerges from quantity.
Another aside:
The line about 'the couch and Xbox Live being the ecosystem it's best enjoyed in' is comedy.
What in the fuck is this bullshit?
Seems strange anyone would take either side in this.
The argument that follows the IGN dude saying they didn't give it a 9.0 is stupid. But he isn't wrong. They gave it an 8.9.
I can't understand how anyone could side anywhere else on that, regardless of how you feel about IGN as a whole, the 100 pt review scale, or anything else in the world.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
Then ignore him or block him before you have to resort to that. It's not that hard to diffuse the situation, especially on the internet. If someone is being an asshole to you, being an asshole back isn't going to solve anything. It's just going to make both people look like assholes. It's not like anyone even "won" the argument by the end anyway.
IGN PLS.
When you write over the top nonsense be it in reviews, previews, or hands on, you deserve to get called out. That preview set the tone and probably got some people to run out and preorder or even buy a Xbox one. There is a reason IGN and their like are frowned upon, and ridiculed. And its sleezy advertising tactics, aka previews/reviews/hands one.
Most review sites are just plain old third party marketing arms. That's it and that's all. You can't trust them at all. And their writing is awful, trying to rip off "Top Gear" with hyperbole and "color". Only Edge can sometimes, sometimes pull that off.
Rock on Joe.
When you write over the top nonsense be it in reviews, previews, or hands on, you deserve to get called out. That preview set the tone and probably got some people to run out and preorder or even buy a Xbox one. There is a reason IGN and their like are frowned upon, and ridiculed. And its sleezy advertising tactics, aka previews/reviews/hands one.
Most review sites are just plain old third party marketing arms. That's it and that's all. You can't trust them at all. And their writing is awful, trying to rip off "Top Gear" with hyperbole and "color". Only Edge can sometimes, sometimes pull that off.
Rock on Joe.
Vincent Alexander
Member
And yeah, I can agree. Joe should've ignored or at some point moved on.
VibratingDonkey
Member
Imagine, by the time we invent warp speed and arrive after 500 years, it might've blown up a millennium ago. What a bummer that'd be.
EmptySpace
Banned
in real-world mathematics, 8.9=/=9.0
in ign mathematics, all cards are on the table.
seriously, don't take ign scores as if they were made with quantitative, numerical analysis in mind. they're not. it's a number slapped at the end of a review. it isn't driven by anything scientific.
it's the same thing why you'll see more 8.9s than 8.6s. why? most of the time, people who feel like a game that's not quite close to a 9.0 game will give it an 8.9, to quantify that feeling of "not quite there".
frankly, it's stupid. so "not quite there" = 0.1? why not 0.2 or 0.4?
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
Nothing. Nothing happened.
I'm at 180 hours and am as happy as I was with the first ten. This shit is subjective. Something the cretinous, feature-checklist mentality attempts to conceal, as if feature quality emerges from quantity.
Another aside:
The line about 'the couch and Xbox Live being the ecosystem it's best enjoyed in' is comedy.
I thought "have you seen Titanfall" was something Major Nelson or some other MS PR guy said?
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
Jesus Christ. I.........wow...holy shit. I can't believe this is real.
BabyFaceKillah
Member
I'm sure Ryan criticized the game for the lack of content and the doodoo campaign.
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I'm at 180 hours and am as happy as I was with the first ten. This shit is subjective. Something the cretinous, feature-checklist mentality attempts to conceal, as if feature quality emerges from quantity.
Another aside:
The line about 'the couch and Xbox Live being the ecosystem it's best enjoyed in' is comedy.
How does your argument help against anyone who says that he does indeed act like a twat on twitter?
Stapleton is 100% wrong because his whole argument hinges on implying Joe said IGN gave the game 9.0. He's arguing a strawman all the way. Joe immediately pointed out that he plainly did not say such a thing, but Stapleton doesn't seem to understand English - or maybe he does, because he instantly changes subject every time he gets shut down, only to return to the original subject a moment later as if nothing had been said. Now that I read the exchange again, he's actually looking more slimy than stupid.
fvng
Member
I don't know how anyone can listen to that Angry Joe dude for more than 2 minutes. I've seen Angry Joe bash games during Let's Plays that he's clearly having a blast with. I've seen him outright lie about the length of of the sideops missions in Ground Zeroes ("You can finish them all in an hour!") You guys are expecting any sort of accuracy from an aspiring/amateur gaming personality? He's not gonna fact check the most basic shit.
Oh and Joe, it's "Implying" not "Inferring"
Oh and Joe, it's "Implying" not "Inferring"
Fornaximus
Member
Another aside:
The line about 'the couch and Xbox Live being the ecosystem it's best enjoyed in' is comedy.
That nauseating PR was written by the IGN guy who was seen on Twitter begging for work at Microsoft's E3 show, right?
abstract alien
Member
This is what I'm not understanding. It's objectively incorrect, and no amount of ".1 lol" will change that. This whole thing is pretty shallow, and I hate that particular scale for reviews anyway, but 8.9 is not the same thing as 9.0. Even if it was, you should quote what they actually said, not what you "basically feel it is." The childish manner it's being handled in is pretty ridiculous though. I don't really care for IGN, Angry Joe, or most reviewers(the reviews themselves, not the people), but that isn't how you handle things on either side.