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Looks like all digital PSP / PSone games work on Vita now [Not Anymore]
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Baron Von Beans
Member
That seems pretty close to being accurate. For me, it's 2/5 owners. I know one other that posts here, and 3 others that don't.I have a friend who lurks here and 2 others who as far as I know doesn't know what Gaf is.
They both own Vitas.
1/4 owners has a gaf account
This whole debacle sucks indeed, but I wouldn't say Sony lied, because did they ever officially come out and say anything about it? I'm thankful I got the Crash's on one of my Vita's, at least :|
didn't intend it as something to blame Sony
I was hoping it to be something that Sony can use to show the publishers "hey look, gamers out there still want to play the games from previous generations. let's work it out so that people can play their old favorites on the Vita"
DrROBschiz
Member
Well thats something everyone should get behind!
We don't know this btw. They were certainly able to get the agreements for the PS3 and PSP easily enough. I still think they just can't be arsed to get them for Vita. They are, at this point, the biggest and most important platform holder. If they wanted to get these license agreements from third parties I think they can.
I'm still a little bit hopeful that they actually have got them, in preparation to launch PSNow, and just blew their load early.
7DollarHagane
Banned
I don't believe in licensing issues. I think this is just plain incompetence, given with the workarounds for *some* titles and how it's different in different regions.
Since its running PSP games in backwards compatible mode and PS1 games using the emulator, why would it matter? They're not being ported to a new system.
Since its running PSP games in backwards compatible mode and PS1 games using the emulator, why would it matter? They're not being ported to a new system.
DrROBschiz
Member
Well look at the work behind the scenes already from this apparent "leak"
We are seeing some games that previously never worked on Vita now working. (Compatibility fixes are what I heard but still looking at confirmation)
Then the recent Suikoden 2 rumors suggesting that they are looking at bringing more classics into the fold.
Im not sure if this is pointing to anything yet but it suggests that they are trying to tidy up and strengthen the legacy library.
Likely to benefit all of its platforms going forward including PS4
7DollarHagane
Banned
nevermind the PS1 games don't even run an emulator designed for the vita, they're running in backwards compatible mode as well!!
So there's zero excuses for this bullshit.
So there's zero excuses for this bullshit.
themagicalkitsune
Member
See I thought the fact that the Vita had full PSP BC meant that licenses for digital content on PSP would automatically be usable on Vita.
Why do consoles do this specifically? An iPhone 3G app purchase still works on iPhone 5 unless they pull the app out of the store altogether. It's no wonder mobile gaming is taking over when it is simply more convenient to buy digitally on that platform.
And it's shit like this that makes me avoid digital purchases most of the time in the console world. Vita has been my only exception and thank God I didn't make these purchases.
Why do consoles do this specifically? An iPhone 3G app purchase still works on iPhone 5 unless they pull the app out of the store altogether. It's no wonder mobile gaming is taking over when it is simply more convenient to buy digitally on that platform.
And it's shit like this that makes me avoid digital purchases most of the time in the console world. Vita has been my only exception and thank God I didn't make these purchases.
Publisher A: get the lawyers on the phone.
Secretary A: may I ask why sir?
Publisher A: I'll tell you, those smiling son of bitches at sony are making us money without our permission. I don't like it.
Secretary A: but sir, our revenue has just went up. We really could use the money during the transition to next gen. They are indirectly helping us. This is good news.
Publisher A: secretary a I did not ask for your opinion on this matter. I told you I do not like it. Not one bit. No company is going to help us make money. No one. This company has a reputation to keep. We are not going to take hand outs or some money here or there. Its all the money or no money. You understand that now secretary a? Next time you get up on your little imaginary soap box you are fucking fired and you can say ta ta to your benefits package for good.
Secretary A: very well sir.... Lawyers on line 1.
Publisher a: (folds his hands together and looks out the window of the 32nd floor window) good.
Secretary A: may I ask why sir?
Publisher A: I'll tell you, those smiling son of bitches at sony are making us money without our permission. I don't like it.
Secretary A: but sir, our revenue has just went up. We really could use the money during the transition to next gen. They are indirectly helping us. This is good news.
Publisher A: secretary a I did not ask for your opinion on this matter. I told you I do not like it. Not one bit. No company is going to help us make money. No one. This company has a reputation to keep. We are not going to take hand outs or some money here or there. Its all the money or no money. You understand that now secretary a? Next time you get up on your little imaginary soap box you are fucking fired and you can say ta ta to your benefits package for good.
Secretary A: very well sir.... Lawyers on line 1.
Publisher a: (folds his hands together and looks out the window of the 32nd floor window) good.
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
Sony, please fix this so that your amazing handheld has a chance to regain some tiny measure of success before it's forgotten completely. Thank you.
You should be ok. That was actually working before all of this.
People damning Sony here probably need to realize that they don't control the licenses to all of these games. They're not going to say anything on this matter because they probably pissed off some people royally with this accident, assuming that's what it was.
Only people being willfully ignorant ever though these games weren't on the store because of an actual technical issue.
I hope this comes around and bites them in the ass. Sony doesn't want to put the work/time/money into shoring up the availability of their back catalog and hope to sell PSNow to the masses on the back of the comparatively (to PS1) lackluster PS3 library and current PS4 library so grandma and grandpa can play "The Last of Uncharted 4" on their iPad? Good luck with that. When they fail at that like the company has been failing at most things outside videogames and try to come crawling back and give us access to the back library us core gamers have been begging for for years some of won't give a damn anymore and won't give them the time of day.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
People who bought the games should be refunded.
On a scale of nuts to fucking nuts, how mad are you right now about video games?
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Monet and royalties. You make a game and have it monetized without consent.
I bought and already DL'd. I'm sure they will come in the future.
Cthulhu_Steev
Member
Have you tried taking off all your clothes and shouting at people in the street?
The games were never officially announced for Vita or even available for purchase as Vita titles, so there's some iffiness to that argument. You still got access to them on the advertised platforms they worked on (PSP, PS3).
moltonasty
Member
I'm guessing if there's no record of this even being a thing, then sony has no obligation to refund anything. I can just imagine customer service now "sir, that content has never been available for download on the ps vita! And unfortunately we cannot offer refunds on digital purchases. Please feel free to buy a playstation 3 or a Sony psp go to enjoy your purchased titles. Is there anything else I can help you with today?"
yup
none of you bought these games WITH your vitas. you bought them via a ps3 or the webstore(which only says ps3/psp as the compatible systems)
it sucks, and i'm with you on this being a huge bummer, but its your own fault. you gambled and lost
it seemed too good to be true...because it was
When you went to the store to buy the games, they did not list PS Vita as a platform. You had to de-select Vita compatable as a platform in order for them to show up while browsing. There was zero false advertising here.
Oooh, I finally get to submit something to that bad post twitter account!
Oh, cool..
Tho maybe Sony should have a different licensing, where if you are releasing on PSN, you are also making your content available to all compatible products. Price your content accordingly if you are so afraid of getting extra sales for some reason.
The Vita did not exist when most of these content deals were made
CaptainTiptop
Member
Man, that fucking sucks. Glad I've got Burnout Legends on my Vita but I wish I bought and downloaded Fat Princess, Twisted Metal and Burnout Dominator as well now.
What about the games they do own/control the license of?
Are they still accessible?
Can I still get Gran Turismo onto my Vita?
BattleMonkey
Member
Obviously licensing stuff, Sony is not going to leave money on the table out of spite. No doubt they saw a big spike in sales for these titles that have sat stagnant for a long time now on their store.
What this brings up though whose dragging their feet on this? Companies resisting or simply a matter of Sony taking its time in licensing all these games? Can imagine there would be hundreds of contracts that would need revising and that's just not easy to handle
What this brings up though whose dragging their feet on this? Companies resisting or simply a matter of Sony taking its time in licensing all these games? Can imagine there would be hundreds of contracts that would need revising and that's just not easy to handle
This is incorrect, most, if not all of these titles were showing "PS Vita" compatibility on the web store.
Killing_Joke
Member
phew. *hugs Vita with all my psp/ps1 games downloaded*
Still bullshit though. It sucks digital BC is such a hassle to deal with.
Still bullshit though. It sucks digital BC is such a hassle to deal with.
Yeah, I'm aware, and by compatible, I meant compatible products [even in future]. As long as your 10 year old game is selling on a new platform at a price you agree on, why would that be a problem?
Maybe that sort of license could also mean a slightly better % return, to make such a licensing deal more appealing to publishers. I dunno, I'm sure such a flexible deal could exist.
Vita is advertised to be a platform with PSP BC. That could cause people to buy a Vita with the expectation of being able to play all their PSP digital purchases. It's bullshit that we can't when other more successful platforms like iOS let you play your older iPhone purchases on new hardware.
Do you really believe the success of the Vita hangs on a PS1 launch title?
most people don't like licensing stuff into perpetuity. In theory, if Sony were to make 100 more Playstation devices over the next 300 years, that same deal would still apply. Inflation is a real thing over long periods of time.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Lets face reality, if it wasn't for GAF we wouldn't have heard about this so soon. I'm glad I got my stuff.
BattleMonkey
Member
Publishers likely don't like the idea of signing away a game to a company like Sony with a clause that allows them to sell it anywhere they want. They are going to want to approve of any platform the game is offered on. Sometime in the future Sony makes a new phone that suddenly lets you play some obscure PSP game? It doesn't seem like a bad idea as long as they get paid, but you never know.
Certain titles also have their own licensing concerns themselves, like music, or a game based off an IP which has an expiration. Some of these publishers also don't own the IP fully so they can't just sign away the title
But this content is available for download to PSP? That's the impression I got, if so, I got the wrong impression then, and that's more understandable if this content is not available for download at all.
What can be problematic indeed is how DRM on future hardware may change, like how the PS4 and Vita changed their DRM style. That may be a problem for publishers. Maybe on PS5 Sony will go out and allow infinite number of devices which allow concurrent plays of your content. (It won't, but just as an example..)
The latter part does seem to be problematic, but as for the first part, I don't think more revenue without extra work is anything bad, and this would be a separate licensing deal with slightly different clauses, somewhat sweetened from Sony to be able to do this (like 1% extra sharing revenue etc.)
ReBurn
Gold Member
Yeah, I get what you're saying. How dare people expect to be able to use content they paid for when the store said that content was compatible with their device. Nobody should be upset that Sony took away compatibility after the sale. Obviously they just want to hurt Sony and make them look bad.
TheRealTalker
Banned
Grace Chen is laughing from her Ivory castle
Zeyphersan
Banned
For real though. It's on the EU store, isn't it? It got pulled from the NA store, and used copies are not at the price I want them to be
pete_clarf
Member
Holy shit. They really did revert it! I'm glad I downloaded everything, PS1-wise, while I could, but there were some PSP games I was pretty excited to be able to play again once I had the funds.
If anything, they just saved me a bunch of money. A bunch of PSP games + a 64 GB card was going to be pretty pricey!
If anything, they just saved me a bunch of money. A bunch of PSP games + a 64 GB card was going to be pretty pricey!
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
No, re-read my post.
"Some tiny measure" of success. Give us something to cheer about, some excuse to give them money. Give us something to celebrate so we can say "yes, the Vita wasn't a huge success, but we did all we could and achieved some targets towards the end".