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Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 7: How Can My Smash Brother Be This Cut
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FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
Ike looks incredible! Loving the art in this game.
SaintMadeOfPlaster
Member
I'm hoping for a Lucina costume swap for Marth, but not her as a playable character. They literally couldn't do anything to distinguish her move set.
I don't think she'll be in the game at all, though.
I've seen some posts talk about how some characters have moves not seen in their own games. Why is it not possible for Lucina to get her own unique move set?
Megidolaon
Member
Ike being all buffed up at least gives him a distinct look from Marth and Chrom. Maybe that's why they made Marth so pretty looking as well. it's Intelligent Systems fault for making all their leads blue haired. Maybe now they've learned their lesson for next time and give the lead pink hair.
I still hope there's an alt for Ike for his Path of Radiance look. But meh, Steroid Ike is growing on me.
I still hope there's an alt for Ike for his Path of Radiance look. But meh, Steroid Ike is growing on me.
Still going strong. More than 48 characters, believe!
I want to know where you got all those colored background character panels from.
It makes these things look a lot better than the sterile blue to white gradient used in the vanilla icons.
ToonamiGAF bros are the best. They know what's up.
*hi5*
Hi-res 'cause no one posted it yet
I seriously love the art style and color palette of Smash 4.
Kor of Memory
Member
This is the silliest logic to use, especially regarding smash bros.
Who else wasn't relevant during the time of Brawl's release?
Shiek
Pit
Ice Climbers
R.O.B.
Capt. Falcon
Ness
Lucas
G&W
Since when is current relevance a factor? Smash has always been about celebrating the history and entire archive of Nintendo (& Friends).
Correction, Monday two moves, Tuesday sleeping, Wednesday another two moves, Thursday his nose, Friday pointing out the cape has changed.
I want to know where you got all those colored background character panels from.
It makes these things look a lot better than the sterile blue to white gradient used in the vanilla icons.
The Roster Maker thread on Smashboards, they're scattered throughout the thread and you have to manually add them to the program:
http://smashboards.com/threads/the-super-smash-bros-roster-maker-version-8-0-available.336761/
OmegaSmash
Member
If i recall correctly, while Lucina and Marth share the same moveset in game( because they share the same model except the head) her fighting style in the story itself is supposed to be the same as Chrom ( I believe this was noted the first time you fight in Arena Ferox, with the Chrom vs "Masked Marth" cutscene)
When relivence is of extreme note, or of no note at all.
K rool ain't relevant to jackshit and he probobly isn't getting it because of it.
Fire emblem is even more relevant now outside of the japan and probobly will be getting a 3rd rep.
Rosalina is popular and relevant, unlike waluigi and toad
People caring about you is a good way to get in and not get in smash. Extremes and such.
It isn't the only fact, its just one though.
I was like 'yeah I will just check out the Smash site to see the image before going to wo-HOLY FUCK SAKURAI'.
18 days before e3 where they will NEED to display all the characters at the tournament, not counting weekends, that means we still have 11 pics of the day.
I hope that we will see new characters every friday(so 2 more) till e3 and every other at the event (and probably that being Jigglypuff, Captain Falcon, Ness, Marth and new comers)
18 days before e3 where they will NEED to display all the characters at the tournament, not counting weekends, that means we still have 11 pics of the day.
I hope that we will see new characters every friday(so 2 more) till e3 and every other at the event (and probably that being Jigglypuff, Captain Falcon, Ness, Marth and new comers)
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Alright! 18 more days!
We should do this again in the next thread.
Yeah but this is Smash and none of that matters
You say that as though it's a positive thing. Let's completely disregard how the character should work and put him in even though he's not even the protagonist or all even all that important to the plot compared to other characters from the same game.
If they're not going to stay at least somewhat true to the character what's the point? Ike already isn't completely true to his games though I guess he's closer to his RD version now, but he's still missing a long range attack since Ragnell can actually do that. Lucina has nothing distinguishing about her, make "Masked Marth" an alt of Marth and be done with it. Chrom at least has some sort of chance of being unique.
Megidolaon
Member
I wonder if this means that Radiant Dawn will be included in other ways. Like music tracks, trophies, stages, assist trophies or stickers (if they still exist). They already had the best track fom Radiant Dawn in Brawl. So the most I would hope for would be a Soren assist trophy.
BassForever
Member
So we're going with the Ike is Cut thread title for the next OT ya?
Man, Sakurai knows how to extend my pain. Crossing my fingers for Ness/Lucas next.
Ike does look awesome, but I would've preferred an Awakening character
I don't imagine Ness being revealed until after the game is out
Kor of Memory
Member
I would just say that judging from all previous Smash games, current relevance doesn't seem to be very high on the qualifications for new fighters. Even Smash64 had Ness.
I'll concede that a select few characters are brought in simply because they're asked for so much. In fact, that's pretty much the entire story with the 3rd party characters. However, most of the Nintendo cast is based around character importance to Nintendo at some point in time of their history.
You say K. Rool isn't getting in because he hasn't been around in years. I say he's got a solid shot because he was the final boss of 6 different DK games (more if you count the GB/GBA ports), not to mention a playable appearance in King of Swing and Mario Sluggers.
Ridley will take Ike's sword and literally cut him
Beelzebufo
Banned
Actually, this fits the pattern of "Fire Emblem veterans are revealed randomly"
At the time of SSB64, Mother 3 was in development for N64. HAL had a hand in that development, so even if it wasn't relevant on a global scale, it was still relevant to both Japan and Sakurai (who probably interacted with developers for it regularly).
OK, I'm caught up, and after reading about 10 pages of posts... well...
Many of your opinions are bad and you should feel bad!
Like, please tell me everyone who MENTIONED the word clone was joking. Also, I know it's a knee-jerk reaction, but how does IKE being in DISCONFIRM chrom? sigh.
you are a pixelated god among men. Let me know if you feel like doing Hyrule warriors versions of link or impa I'd love link!
Many of your opinions are bad and you should feel bad!
Like, please tell me everyone who MENTIONED the word clone was joking. Also, I know it's a knee-jerk reaction, but how does IKE being in DISCONFIRM chrom? sigh.
All of em so far.
you are a pixelated god among men. Let me know if you feel like doing Hyrule warriors versions of link or impa
I'd love link!Alright! 18 more days!
So close but yet so far.
Rychu Supadude
Neo Member
And the more important pattern of "Fire Emblem reveals always cause everyone to jump to a wide variety of unfounded conclusions"... no wait, Sakurai's got nothing to do with that
OR DOES HE?
Once again, why is it not possible for Sakurai to have made unique moves based on what she is seen doing in Awakening?
Why is it that characters from non-fighting games can have moves made for them but supposedly Lucina can't?
Megidolaon
Member
Perhaps Ike's announcement portends some forthcoming news on Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem for E3? /unfounded speculation and wishul thinking
shouamabane
Member
Alright! 18 more days!
I'm curious to see what Nintendo does. They haven't done anything like Smash Invitational in a long long time.
How does this argument justify that though? Captain Falcon is never seen fighting in basically any way, aside from like one punch he throws in the anime which was clearly based on Smash's rendition of him.
Lucina is seen fighting, the first thing she tries to do is to pass herself off as Marth and then after she drops it they say she fights exactly like Chrom. Why in gods earth would you want a character like that? She has basically no original qualities and isn't even the protagonist of the game. People calling for her to replace Marth are nuts, but now she's supposed to replace one of the few characters from her game that actually matter to the plot and have possibility of being unique? Only thing she'd got going for her is that she can also wield lances, which Chrom can also do and is the main lord of Awakening.
So why not invent a completely new moveset for her? Why bother honestly? Like I said before she's not important to the game like Chrom is, she could easily be an alt for Marth if people are so desperate for her to be in the game, and anything "unique" would just not be staying true to the character which is just even worse.
So the *ONLY* reveal pattern for veterans I can find is that it's strictly based off the character model being "Ready" to show the public.
So, they pick a handful of veterans for the initial reveal, and work on them FIRST (Mario, Link, Pikachu, Kirby, Pit, Samus, Bowser), and update the brawl models to show off. Then, all the releases are just based on their own priority / how much work was needed to update them. The last few veterans we got all had SIGNIFICANT character model changes. The ones we got sooner were pretty similar to their brawl models, just updated.
Ike looks entirely different, Yoshi looks very different, ZSS looks very different, and they were all revealed close to the end. Sheik is similar, but her reveal came late because he wanted to explain ZSS and Sheik being different characters and not transformations.
Anyone not revealed yet, we have to assume 1 of 3 things:
IN THAT ORDER. I'm really hoping Ice Climbers aren't cut, and i'm really hoping it's not just 'ice climber', and that you can only play as 1 at a time. Maybe they're getting visual overhauls, prettier coats! Maybe ALL retro (no new games in 20+ years) characters are unlockable this time, which is why we haven't seen them.
So, they pick a handful of veterans for the initial reveal, and work on them FIRST (Mario, Link, Pikachu, Kirby, Pit, Samus, Bowser), and update the brawl models to show off. Then, all the releases are just based on their own priority / how much work was needed to update them. The last few veterans we got all had SIGNIFICANT character model changes. The ones we got sooner were pretty similar to their brawl models, just updated.
Ike looks entirely different, Yoshi looks very different, ZSS looks very different, and they were all revealed close to the end. Sheik is similar, but her reveal came late because he wanted to explain ZSS and Sheik being different characters and not transformations.
Anyone not revealed yet, we have to assume 1 of 3 things:
- Their character model was changed significantly, so they're taking a while to show off
- They're an unlockable character
- They're cut
IN THAT ORDER. I'm really hoping Ice Climbers aren't cut, and i'm really hoping it's not just 'ice climber', and that you can only play as 1 at a time. Maybe they're getting visual overhauls, prettier coats! Maybe ALL retro (no new games in 20+ years) characters are unlockable this time, which is why we haven't seen them.
Beelzebufo
Banned
Nah, Marth's never really led to anything, I wouldn't expect it. If this leads to anything, the most I could see is a Chrom reveal at E3, but I think he'll be hidden. Either that or we're getting the full starting roster + Pacman at E3, and Ike would have been one veteran reveal too many so they got him out of the way now.
But that won't happen because that's way too early to reveal the starting roster for a game coming out in October.
Anyway, so Marth is graceful and Ike is super beefy. If Chrom gets in, how do people think he'll play to differentiate himself? Well he just be some sort of an intermediate (stronger than Marth but faster and flashier than Ike), or do you think they'll go for something completely different?
That's a good point about character models Georly, it explains Yoshi. I'm sure we'll get Ice Climbers at E3, they probably got some changes.
balladofwindfishes
Member
People thinking (and hoping!) that Ike would be cut were crazy.
I still think only Squirtle, Ivysaur and Snake will be cut, everyone else is back, including Mewtwo.
I still think only Squirtle, Ivysaur and Snake will be cut, everyone else is back, including Mewtwo.
It's not sakurai's fault that they decide to make a huge portion of fire emblem protagonists have blue hair.
Beelzebufo
Banned
As I said in the other thread, the fun fact here is that Senri Kita, who was responsible for a lot of SF Ryu art for Capcom, is the one who drew Ike's character design.
Princess_Eevee9
Neo Member
For staters you have Shulk and Pac-Man on there which anyway puts it as ridiculous. I seeno King Rool/Dixie (unless I'm seeing wrong), no retro-character from the Wii Era (Quote or Curly Brace), and no fun picks at all like Okami or Viewtiful Joe (since you're using 3rd Party characters not owned by Nintendo.) Overall this is generic and rather boring.
Chrom/Lucina to replace Ike Climbers confirmed.
Beelzebufo
Banned
You're going to be disappointed with the final roster of the game.
I hope not... although that would explain why they haven't been shown yet
balladofwindfishes
Member
We need a red headed Fire Emblem rep to off set the blue hair.
Too bad there's no red headed Fire Emblem rep who could make his triumphant return to Smash Bros.
Too bad there's no red headed Fire Emblem rep who could make his triumphant return to Smash Bros.
I want Roy back
I hope not... although that would explain why they haven't been shown yet
IKE Climbers? Lol. If sakurai added Ike climbers, my world would explode.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I really want to see Roy coming back but I don't think he will. He got killed by Ike so Ike can get in Brawl instead.
Princess_Eevee9
Neo Member
You're going to be disappointed with the final roster of the game.
I hope not... although that would explain why they haven't been shown yet
When they revealed the game I insta-started saving money. When Rosalina got announced I said they could add whoever they wanted for I got the character I wanted. Wii Fit Trainer and Rosalina being announced made my hype through the roof. Why should I be disappointed when I got what I wanted and tolerate or can beat up the rest I don't like?
BassForever
Member
You better start adjusting who you expect in Smash 4 or you're gonna be very disappointed
Beelzebufo
Banned
Yeah, I'm hoping they make it in, but it's looking pretty unlikely at this point... Maybe it's because of 3DS limitations? Or having 4 FE character would be a lot I guess.
Well you called two characters that are going to be in the game ridiculous additions. If you're fine with them being in there regardless, I guess you'll be fine.