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Mario Kart 8 |OT| 8 oW
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XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Do you also think combos in the original Street Fighter 2 is cheating?
Me too. The same was true of snaking.
Baleoce
Member
It seems somewhat odd to me that advanced techniques in Mario Kart have always been frowned upon. It's not even that advanced in this case. It's not hard to do, and the gains are not that broken by any means.
I know right..
I know right..
There's this fellow I know that I think you'll get along great with. His name is Spieler Eins...
I think we have the reason why he's being super irrational down below:
Deems wavedashing to be just as much of a cheat if not more so.
Mr. Smiley
Member
Mario Kart 8 |OT2| 8 doH oᴉɹɐW
enoki
Member
Interesting, I've hopped after a boost before to realign myself when I felt like I might not make a corner, and I never noticed that it stretches the boosts out.
I can't say I like it, but I wouldn't call it cheap/cheating. How many techniques developed in games unintentionally? If there's one (personal) problem I have with Mario Kart, it's going into auto-pilot after I've learned the maps. Having some additional input/strategy like this is welcome. It doesn't seem like it's useful in all situations, and it's a good way to leave yourself open to other players. It seems like it takes SOME skill to successfully execute.
I don't mind if it is patched out, though.
I can't say I like it, but I wouldn't call it cheap/cheating. How many techniques developed in games unintentionally? If there's one (personal) problem I have with Mario Kart, it's going into auto-pilot after I've learned the maps. Having some additional input/strategy like this is welcome. It doesn't seem like it's useful in all situations, and it's a good way to leave yourself open to other players. It seems like it takes SOME skill to successfully execute.
I don't mind if it is patched out, though.
Saint Gregory
Member
There seems to be a 50/50 chance of them backfiring on you which is way higher than in MK7. I haven't figured out if there's a formula that decides it or if it's totally random but for now I've been going back to my bomb-sniping days
Did Capcom come out and say it was unintentional? If so, then yes.
She, not he.
Otakumegane
Member
Woah hop snaking eh.
I should try this.
I should try this.
I'm glad that, time and time again, this suggestion falls on deaf ears.
Baleoce
Member
Yes, comboing was originally a bug. And really?
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Oh c'mon. The core racing experience is great, but everything surrounding it is barebones as could be. There's a LOT of room for improvement in plenty of areas of MI8. Likes not act like this was some untouchable masterwork here.
LMAO
spoken like a true scrub
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
I don't consider either of these things to be "cheating," but they are both absolutely "glitch exploitation" which I think it's perfectly reasonable to not like, and rather not do. They aren't in the spec, the game is not balanced around them, exploiting them regularly is basically playing a different game than the developers made, and a different game than you thought you were buying. It's not an "advanced technique" built on mastery of actual mechanics, it's "oh hey the game's broken and I can do this because of it."
Obviously there are degrees of severity here, but I think metagames that build around glitch exploitation are pretty shitty.
Koopa troopa op due to triple greens and reds.
TheCanisDirus
Member
Ugh. Looks like it's being called "Snake Hopping" over on the MK Wiki site. Barf.
GameGuru59
Banned
I figured this out with the first Mario Kart. If you're further behind than second, you should always try to reserve your aggression for the person in first place unless it's absolutely necessary to get into position to attack him. Otherwise you're just letting the first place guy run away with the race (especially without the rubber-banding the CPU gives you).
enoki
Member
Why would you call it cheating, exactly?
Anything that requires any new sort of knowledge about the game outside of the instruction manual and the least amount of practice is cheating, don'tcha know?
It's akin to throwing sand in your opponent's eyes!
Man, I love this. And the whole "learning a new technique in the game = cheating" is amusing.
And then the whole "exploits = cheats" thing... Boy howdy!
Man... just wait 'til they find out about the whole fighting game genre. They're in for some nasty surprises.
Saint Gregory
Member
I really don't think that it was unintentional. The producer of MKDS said snaking was intentional (I don't believe that one though) but MKWii and MK7 both had minor forms of snaking still present (someone correct me on that one if I'm wrong since I never tried it in either).
If it really seems to be ruining the online experience and people really start getting up in arms about it they may considering taking it out in whatever big patch they prepare to take out the inevitable glitches in tracks people find but I'm not sure how they'd fix it without changing how drifting works.
tl;dr version is I doubt the developers were unaware of it.
Yeah because it would actually set a mario kart game apart from the others. We cant have that. Making games interesting and unique is no longer what Nintendo does. Lets just keep this franchise stale as shit and shoot down every possible idea that could actually push it forward. How is this franchise any different than call of duty? Neither of them are progressing at all.
It was an exploit unintended by the developers. Just because it's the only thing that makes the game good doesn't change that.
I don't see why hop snaking isn't considered cheating but killing the first Maneater before entering the boss arena in Demon's Souls is.
Every fighting game ever is shitty then? :x
Not suggesting it's perfect in any way, but stuff like "couldn't have taken more than a year, it's just MKWii HD" is just laughable.
I don't know about you guys, but that new technique is fun as hell to do. I been hopping for fun for years in Mario Kart games, so it's nice to see you at least get something out it this time. Hell, I use Yoshi because I like to imagine he's flutter jumping every time I hop. While it does look stupid when 12 people are doing, it's something that can easily be mastered by hitting time trials for 5 minutes. We're not talking about snaking here.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Its more like MK7 HD, regardless
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Deleted member 125677
Unconfirmed Member
Triple hit before the finishing line
Love it
Love it
Can I just say how much I fucking hate Sweet Sweet Canyon? I'm missing three stars on the Mushroom Cup and I just can't for the life of me finish this race in first place. Something about those dumb bends.
Oh, and the game keeps giving me a coin when there's a red shell coming after me, just as I'm about to cross the finish line. So. Much. Frustration.
Oh, and the game keeps giving me a coin when there's a red shell coming after me, just as I'm about to cross the finish line. So. Much. Frustration.
a little bit, yeah.
honestly the calls for it as an "exploit", "cheat", "snaking" etc are comically overblown. The comparison to advanced fighting game techniques is much more apt.
In regard to Kinsei in particular... he just stated his real problem right above:
I genuinely mean no offense... but it sounds like your problem comes more down to the online scene being extremely competitive, especially with you playing your preferred character. and then hopping just adding further salt into the wound.
the reality is that the removal of the technique (if Nintendo even does that) ultimately won't fix your problem. That the online scene for the game is hyper-competitive with no real "casual" mode unless you happen to get lucky in your matchmaking. Unfortunately I don't know what to tell you. I mean the likelihood of that having happened with this game (despite being "mario" and "kiddie") was already ridiculously high. The same as it will be for Smash Bros. Competitive Nintendo titles hilariously always draw highly competitive players to them. Having played MKDS, MK7, and MKWii I'm not sure how anyone really could have expected this game to not have a hyper-competitive online presence.
It does suck that you're not having fun with the online component. I mean I get it. But the reality is this title was always destined for this level of play online, hopping or not. If you're expecting to get first place online, you better be ready to put in some time and rank up your skills. It is funny how online nintendo games aren't a bunch of 8-11 year old kids stumbling through the games randomly pressing buttons giving you a quick win. And if they do happen to be kids, they are STILL smoking you on every turn (and in this game, likely hopping their entire way down the track).
It is what it is. Fortunately this game gives us private lobbies and hopefully at some point adds a ranked ladder mode to siphon off many of the more hyper-competitive players.
SweetDonuts
Member
I had no idea about this hop thing, interesting.
gonna try it
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Deleted member 325805
Unconfirmed Member
Can you guys check out this eBay listing for me? It's the Mario Kart 8 Wii U bundle for £170 (it's £240 in the shops). I'm just wondering if there are any red flags other than the price? If it's legit I'd buy it right now.
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
You're not wrong about the negatives, I'm fairly disappointed in the whole package honestly, especially with the lack of options, whatever the fuck happened with Battle Mode, no race times, no on-screen map, track design I don't think is particularly challenging for the new tracks, etc., but it's so much better balanced than MKWii, the bikes aren't all out of whack, the level of detail on the characters and tracks to make them all feel so alive doesn't come across as a half-assed job to me at all, and the new replays are so fucking hilarious that I feel it's not really fair to say this is just MKWii HD. For starters I've had more fun in 3 days on this than I did in the 3 weeks I played MKWii before dropping it forever, and that's not just the better hardware doing that.
So I'll agree this doesn't feel like a finished game, it just happens to be the most fun I've had in an undercooked game in years, and we certainly get plenty of those.
Captain Chaos
Member
Just fired this up today. What a great game. Love the F Zero GX inspiration!
Metaternal
Member
Auto-correct? lol
No matter, there's showcasing to be done! I managed to condense almost 2 hours of that craziness into 18 minutes of high points.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqwk_XcALjs
It was the most fun I've had with MK8 so far.
Jeff Vader
Member
You people and your damn heavy carts D<
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
Only the glitch-centric metagames! I dunno, I just like the idea of a game actually being what it was designed to be, not just falling apart in the hands of eager gamers. My criticism here is less for the people who exploit the glitch, but more for the developers that put out broken games in the first place.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
From position to place in the top 2 to coming in 8th in a period of about 2 seconds.
And... connection error. I think that is going to be it for me today.
And... connection error. I think that is going to be it for me today.
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Deleted member 125677
Unconfirmed Member
Aaand com error
It isn't! And it's amusing that people even think to call it "snaking". It's not. Not in the very least.
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Deleted member 325805
Unconfirmed Member
Yeah I noticed that, but he has good feedback overall. My worry is he went legit for awhile to build feedback and has now decided to cash in big on a popular item. It just seems too good to be true, but if it true I wouldn't want to miss out.
brandonh83
Banned
The blue shell of 1st place doom is the only thing I don't like about the game.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Green shell physics can occur in real life!
