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[Sparrowhawk]

Interesting. That's not really what I meant, but it could indicate that a different signal type is reaching your TV (and being processed differently, etc).

If you're looking for differences in image clarity, you're not going to find much by looking at static images. Interlaced signals are usually put through a slight blurry "flicker filter"; this is to cut down on high-frequency details that could cause flicker if the signal is displayed back on a natively interlaced display. Aside from this difference in filtering, for scenes that aren't in motion, an interlaced image and a progressive image should look identical. If you aren't moving around and doing things, you might be able to spot that the interlaced image is a bit softer (depending on what you're sensitive to), but they won't likely look much different.
You're going to want to compare cases with significant on-screen movement.

The best test would be if you could find a spot where a character is locked into a glitchy twitchy movement where they jump back and forth between two locations/orientations between frames; interlaced signals have a horrible time with that sort of thing, even in 60fps games, and your TV would likely look very different in a progressive case versus an interlaced case.

Seriously though, see if your TV can just tell you what kind of signal it's receiving. Sometimes the remote will have some sort of "info" button or something that will bring up the signal characteristics for the current input.

You were right about my remote, haha. I changed the settings and it's displaying properly. 480i when I disable 480p, and 480p when enabled, both in 4:3.

I read the following on an A/V forum...

"Another reason you might be seeing a difference here is problems with the basic white/black level settings on your TV given what's coming from the player. Some players do funny things at 480i and not at 480p and some are screwy the other way around. Typically this shows up as a change of black levels (the image gets lighter or darker when you switch from 480i to 480p unless you remember to make compensating adjustments on your TV) or as a loss of the mysterious "Blacker than Black" data in the signal.."

I have no clue. It's not really that important to me. Also, the start screen for JSRF has a lot of action going on and I've pretty much pressed my face up to my TV looking for significant differences but don't see any. My eyes might not be as trained as a lot of videophiles, however.

 

[hooijdonk17]

How would you go about doing that? Not sure if it's allowed on the forum, but if you could let me know, please PM me. I'm not sure how much I'm missing out on, but I'd like to play in 480p if possible.
It's really depressing that I got the 1.6, but I only paid $120 for it and it was factory sealed...

It's quite easy actually, read my post here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=112825444&postcount=1091

 

[The Real Napsta]

It's quite easy actually, read my post here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=112825444&postcount=1091

What is NTSC-M?

 

[HTupolev]

You were right about my remote, haha. I changed the settings and it's displaying properly. 480i when I disable 480p, and 480p when enabled, both in 4:3.

Be careful. I'm not sure what all extra information gets sent on YPbPr Component, but it's not necessarily the case that your TV knows what the aspect ratio of the signal is. The video signal isn't separated into discrete pixels, there isn't a strict "horizontal resolution" to the signal, and so it doesn't intrinsically have an aspect ratio. It's sometimes up to the viewer to know what the aspect ratio of the content is and adjust their TV accordingly.

What is NTSC-M?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadcast_television_systems#ITU_standards

NTSC-M is the extremely common 60Hz/30fps (though since the 50's the color standard generally actually uses 59.94Hz/29.97fps) 525 lines (it's generally referred to as 480i if we're talking about the actual picture signal) with NTSC color encoding. If you're in the USA, it's the format used for broadcast TV from 1941 until a few years ago.

 

[Fox Mulder]

Found Jurassic park operation genesis in a pawn shop, was priced at $100 though.

is this game even good? I see the ps2 version isn't that much cheaper on eBay.

 

[DracoBlade]

Craigslist. $5 each all cib.

 

[hooijdonk17]

Arx Fatalis and Call of Cthulhu are the stars of the show there, enjoy them!

 

[Borman]

Been posting some prototype stuff on my channel again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kt_2KJCmb-Q

 

[Sparrowhawk]

Been posting some prototype stuff on my channel again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kt_2KJCmb-Q

That actually looks pretty damn good for a prototype.

 

[hooijdonk17]

Been posting some prototype stuff on my channel again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kt_2KJCmb-Q

I'm almost certain that game went on to become Forza Motorsport. The lighting and reflections are unmistakable. The geometry and track detail is pretty on par as well.

 

[Borman]

I'm almost certain that game went on to become Forza Motorsport. The lighting and reflections are unmistakable. The geometry and track detail is pretty on par as well.

It didn't. A lot of the team went on to make Juiced. There is a demo of the game on a Xbox Magazine disk, although the video is from the full version, which was essentially complete (runs on a retail Xbox even, no debugging functions).

 

[DracoBlade]

Arx Fatalis and Call of Cthulhu are the stars of the show there, enjoy them!

Call of Cthulhu is amazing! I was hooked from the first few minutes, excellent atmosphere and genuine creep factor!

 

[Teknoman]

I've always wondered if that was good. Now I know.

Still searching for Godzilla Destroy All Monsters Melee.

 

[goldenpp72]

Did the Godzilla games only become expensive due to the movie or something? I found melee for 7 bucks at a store but the other game is going for obscene amounts, really weird..

Anyways, about 2 months ago I think I posted here asking for advice on games I should pick up for the original xbox against the list I already had, and I picked up quite a bit. I'm not hoping to pick up much more but if anyone has any final suggestions please feel free to help me out, just looking to complete my list of worthwhile games (Also mind you that I don't play many racers or sports games)

007: Agent Under Fire
007: Everything or Nothing
007: Nightfire
007: From Russia with Love
XIII
Advent Rising
Baldurs Gate: Dark Alliance
Baldurs Gate: Dark Alliance II
Beyond Good & Evil
Black
Blinx: The Time Sweeper
Blinx 2: Masters of Time & Space
Blood Omen 2
Breakdown
Brute Force
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Chaos Bleeds
Burnout
Burnout 2: Point of Impact
Burnout 3: Takedown
Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth
Capcom Fighting Evolution
Capcom Vs. SNK 2 EO
Castlevania: Curse of Darkness
Cel Damage
Chronicles of Riddick: Escape From Butcher Bay
Conker Live & Reloaded
Crash Bandicoot: The Wratch of Cortex
Crash Bandicoot: Twinsanity
Crash Tag Team Racing
Crash Nitro Kart
Crazy Taxi 3: High Roller
Crimsons Skies: High Road to Revenge
Dance Dance Revolution Ultramix
Dance Dance Revolution Ultramix 2
Dance Dance Revolution Ultramix 3
Dance Dance Revolution Ultramix 4
Dead or Alive: Ultimate
Dead or Alive 3
Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball
Deathrow
Destroy All Humans!
Destroy All Humans! 2
Dino Crisis 3
Doom 3
Doom 3: Resurrection of Evil
Dues Ex: Invisible War
The Elders Scrolls III: Morrowind
The Elders Scrolls III: Morrowind GOTY Edition
Enclave
Enter the Matrix
Fable
Fatal Frame
Fatal Frame II
Freedom Fighters
Full Spectrum Warrior
Full Spectrum Warrior: Ten Hammers
Fuzion Frenzy
Genma Onimusha
Godzilla: Destroy All Monsters Melee
Godzilla: Save the Earth
Grabbed by the Ghoulies
Grand Theft Auto III
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
Guilty Gear X2: The Midnight Carnival #Reloaded
Gunvalkyrie
Half Life 2
Halo
Halo 2
The House of the Dead III
The Incredible Hulk: Ultimate Destruction
Hunter: The Reckoning
Hunter: The Reckoning Redeemer
Indiana Jones and the Emperor's Tomb
I-Ninja
Jade Empire
Jet Set Radio Future
The King of Fighters: Neowave
Kung Fu Chaos
Legacy of Kain: Defiance
The Legend of Spyro: A New Beginning
Max Payne
Max Payne 2: The Fall of Max Payne
MechAssault
MechAssault 2: Lone Wolf
Mega Man Anniversary Collection
Metal Arms: Glitch in the System
Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance
Metal Slug 3
Metal Slug 4 & 5
Midtown Madness 3
Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance
Mortal Kombat: Deception
Mortal Kombat: Armageddon
Mortal Kombat: Shaolin Monks
Ninja Gaiden
Ninja Gaiden Black
Oddworld Munch's Oddysee
Oddworld Stranger's Wrath
Otogi: Myth of Demons
Otogi 2: Immortal Warriors
Outlaw Golf
Outlaw Golf: 9 Holes of X-Mas
Outlaw Golf: Holiday Golf
Outlaw Golf: 9 More Holes of X-Mas
Outlaw Golf 2
Outlaw Tennis
Outlaw Volleyball
Outlaw Volleyball: Red Hot
Outrun 2
Outrun 2: Coast 2 Coast
Painkiller: Hell Wars
Panzer Dragoon Orta
Pariah
Phantasy Star Online: Episode I & II
Phantom Dust
Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time
Prince of Persia: Warrior Within
Prince of Persia: The Two Thrones
Project Gotham Racing
Project Gotham Racing 2
Project Snowblind
Psi-Ops: The Mindgate Conspiracy
Psychonauts
The Punisher
Quantum Redshift
Rayman Arena
Rayman 3: Hoodlum Havoc
Samurai Shodown V
Second Sight
Sega GT Online
Sega Soccer Slam
Serious Sam
Serious Sam II
Shadow the Hedgehog
Shenmue II
The Simpsons Hit & Run
The Simpsons Road Rage
Sonic Heroes
Sonic Mega Collection Plus
Sonic Riders
Sphinx: and the Cursed Mummy
Splinter Cell
Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow
Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory
Splinter Cell: Double Agent
Turok: Evolution
Voodoo Vince
Return to Castle Wolfenstein: Tides of War
Silent Hill 2
Silent Hill 4
Silent Scope Complete
Soul Calibur II
Spikeout: Battlestreet
Spyhunter
Spyhunter 2
Spyro: A Hero's Tail
Star Wars Battlefront
Star Wars Battlefront II
Star Wars Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast
Star Wars Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords
Star Wars: Republic Commando
Star Wars Starfighter
Star Wars: Jedi Starfighter
State of Emergency
Steel Battalion
Steel Battalion: Line of Contact
Street Fighter Anniversary Collection
Stubbs the Zombie: In Rebel Without a Pulse
Sudeki
Super Monkey Ball Deluxe
SVC Chaos - SNK Vs Capcom
Syberia
Tak 2: The Staff of Dreams
Tak: The Great Juju Challenge
Ty the Tasmanian Tiger
Ty the Tasmanian Tiger 2: Bush Rescue
Ty the Tasmanian Tiger 3: Night of the Quinkan
Tenchu: Return from Darkness
Tetris Worlds
Timesplitters 2
Timesplitters Future Perfect
Toejam & Earl III: Mission to Earth
Tony Hawk 2x
Tony Hawk 3
Tony Hawk 4
Unreal II: The Awakening
Unreal Championship
Unreal Championship 2: The Liandri Conflict
Ultra Bust-a-Move
Vexx
The Warriors
Whacked!
Worms 3D
Worms Forts Under Siege
Worms 4: Mayhem
X-Men Legends
X-Men Legends 2
Xyanide
Yager

 

[Teknoman]

Apparently so. I think Unleashed for Wii has always been pricey, along with anything released after Melee.

 

[Borman]

I made an X!

 

[DracoBlade]

I made an X!

beautiful!


Also has anyone here played Hunter: The Reckoning, saw it recently and have no clue what it is, any good?

 

[sixteen-bit]

beautiful!


Also has anyone here played Hunter: The Reckoning, saw it recently and have no clue what it is, any good?

I played the demo ages ago hoping for a Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance clone but it didn't do anything for me. If you want a nice multiplayer Gauntlet-like clone try the BGA games instead.

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

Also has anyone here played Hunter: The Reckoning, saw it recently and have no clue what it is, any good?

It's decent fun if you have friends. If you don't, it's not too enjoyable. I thought it was one of the better Gauntlet-style games from that era.

 

[DeFiBkIlLeR]

Christ,,,just set up my 2001 launch Xbox to my new 42' Panasonic screen via the RGB Scart connector....and it looks utterly terrible scaled up to 1920x1080p.

I really don't think I could sit there and play a single game on it now, such is the smeary blurry mess I'd have to look at...(

How I miss CRT.

 

[CREMSteve]

Christ,,,just set up my 2001 launch Xbox to my new 42' Panasonic screen via the RGB Scart connector....and it looks utterly terrible scaled up to 1920x1080p.

I really don't think I could sit there and play a single game on it now, such is the smeary blurry mess I'd have to look at...(

How I miss CRT.

I was thinking about doing this with mine, been feeling an urge to play Psi-Ops lately.

 

[HTupolev]

Unless you're extremely limited by space, you can find a decent CRT for dirt cheap these days.

 

[sixteen-bit]

or buy the HD cables, which will result in a huge improvement for Xbox titles that support 480p, 720p, and 1080i

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

Yeah, with the official HD box, everything on that system seems to look fantastic in terms of video quality.

 

[HTupolev]

Yeah, with the official HD box, everything on that system seems to look fantastic in terms of video quality.

I don't have the "box" thing, but I have component cables for my oXbox, and I've hooked it up to our HD LCD. Some games look alright, lots of games look awful. Even if the upscaling wasn't problematic, for a lot of oXbox games a screen with good static contrast is important to the aesthetics, which means a plasma is going to be very helpful if you're not going with a CRT.

 

[Ieu]

Forgive my ignorance but is there any reason why the Xbox One couldn't run original Xbox games outside of software?

The OG Xbox has a x86 while the Xbox One has a x64 processor - to me this seems like the OS could just make a virtual machine and tell the game it's really a Pentium III, no?

 

[Borman]

Forgive my ignorance but is there any reason why the Xbox One couldn't run original Xbox games outside of software?

The OG Xbox has a x86 while the Xbox One has a x64 processor - to me this seems like the OS could just make a virtual machine and tell the game it's really a Pentium III, no?

It all comes down to money, as parts would still have to be emulated. The custom nVidia chips aren't that easy to handle, but it would be easier than it was on the 360.

 

[DracoBlade]

I played the demo ages ago hoping for a Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance clone but it didn't do anything for me. If you want a nice multiplayer Gauntlet-like clone try the BGA games instead.

Lucky I got those then lol

It's decent fun if you have friends. If you don't, it's not too enjoyable. I thought it was one of the better Gauntlet-style games from that era.

I do like me some Gauntlet but I probably would be playing this solo the majority of the time. Guess it was a good decision to pass on it.

 

[Teknoman]

I made an X!

I'm surprised you dont have an X-man or Professor X tag or something by now,

 

[Timu]

I had no idea that Amped 2 was in 720p...and there's more 720p-1080i games than I thought!

 

[hooijdonk17]

Christ,,,just set up my 2001 launch Xbox to my new 42' Panasonic screen via the RGB Scart connector....and it looks utterly terrible scaled up to 1920x1080p.

I really don't think I could sit there and play a single game on it now, such is the smeary blurry mess I'd have to look at...(

How I miss CRT.

Try component cables for 480p, it becomes bearable.

Also, Plasma tends to do a much better job of sub-HD resolutions than LCD or (especially) LED imo..

 

[hooijdonk17]

Forgive my ignorance but is there any reason why the Xbox One couldn't run original Xbox games outside of software?

The OG Xbox has a x86 while the Xbox One has a x64 processor - to me this seems like the OS could just make a virtual machine and tell the game it's really a Pentium III, no?

The GPU used in XBOX is probably not completely feature compatible with the Xbone GPU. It wasn't completely off the shelf, nVidia custom-built it for Microsoft and retain the rights to the architecture.

 

[Borman]

I'm surprised you dont have an X-man or Professor X tag or something by now,

You would think hah. The bottom 3 are actually beta development kits, which were clocked down due to stability problems.

I had no idea that Amped 2 was in 720p...and there's more 720p-1080i games than I thought!

Yep

 

[Fox Mulder]

Forgive my ignorance but is there any reason why the Xbox One couldn't run original Xbox games outside of software?

The OG Xbox has a x86 while the Xbox One has a x64 processor - to me this seems like the OS could just make a virtual machine and tell the game it's really a Pentium III, no?

the HD remake makes this kind of BC extinct on consoles.

 

[DracoBlade]

I'm still baffled but ecstatic that Phantom Dust is being revived!

 

[SegaShack]

I made an X!

Where did you get the parts for the Xbox casing?

 

[Filaipus]

Guys, I think we should try to get people to vote on backward compatibility on the new feedback website of xbox.

I made a badly written thread, you can vote or add comments
http://xbox.uservoice.com/forums/25.../6032159-original-xbox-backward-compatibility

 

[baphomet]

Where did you get the parts for the Xbox casing?

That's not an aftermarket case.

 

[SegaShack]

That's not an aftermarket case.

Which edition are these?

 

[hooijdonk17]

Which edition are these?

Crystal, I believe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_(console)_special_limited_editions

 

[sixteen-bit]

It says "Development Kit" right there.

 

[Borman]

They are development kits. The top two are "Final" development kits which started shipping in August 2001, while the bottom 3 are "Beta/Preview" development kits, which have earlier parts and had to be downclocked due to stability issues.

 

[DracoBlade]

Lol I noticed that Phantom Dust is exponentially rising in price after the X1 announcement. Also very few listings in general. Glad I picked it up months ago!

 

[stn]

Just a few questions...

1. Do you still need Pro Action Replay to softmod the console? I have it but I'm not sure if game saves are still made available online?

2. How many backups can I store on the HDD?

3. Will softmodding delete my current game saves?

Thanks! My interest piqued with this because I'd REALLY like to be able to preserve my disc drive (I already had the laser replaced many years ago because my original drive couldn't read GTA: San Andreas properly). Backing up a few of my titles would be perfect. Also, what kind of stuff can the Media Connect do? Thanks.

 

[Timu]

Lol I noticed that Phantom Dust is exponentially rising in price after the X1 announcement. Also very few listings in general. Glad I picked it up months ago!

Same on amazon.=O

 

[Borman]

Just a few questions...

1. Do you still need Pro Action Replay to softmod the console? I have it but I'm not sure if game saves are still made available online?

2. How many backups can I store on the HDD?

3. Will softmodding delete my current game saves?

Thanks! My interest piqued with this because I'd REALLY like to be able to preserve my disc drive (I already had the laser replaced many years ago because my original drive couldn't read GTA: San Andreas properly). Backing up a few of my titles would be perfect. Also, what kind of stuff can the Media Connect do? Thanks.

No, and you never really did. You just need a way of getting the saves from your PC to your Xbox. Some people use (small) USB sticks. You could make an adapter for your PC for a standard memory card. Your choice really.

On the stock one? Depends on the size. Could be just one, or it could be 3-4 (or more) if they are the smaller games.

Nope, doesn't delete your saves. Just follow the instructions and do it right.

 

[Fox Mulder]

Lol I noticed that Phantom Dust is exponentially rising in price after the X1 announcement. Also very few listings in general. Glad I picked it up months ago!

I looked at it earlier, the BIN listings got cleared out, only like 5 US version on eBay right now. I recently found a better copy at goodwill with blinx, halo 2, and a code masters indycar game for $1 each.

I've noticed that a few times with certain games. Shenmue 2 was scarce for a bit and I could only find like 2 versions of Outrun for the genesis on eBay when I really wanted it.

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

Well, I did it again. I played through Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 with every character back in 2001 when it hit the PS2. That took a while. Well, after buying the Xbox version earlier this year, I ended up doing that again. Which is to say, I played through the game 24 times. I think that means I still like it.

 

[Lorul2]

Fellow lovers of the Original Xbox; Microsoft is taking suggestions from fans on what to do next with the Xbox One.

So many people have replied to this thread if we can just get them and you to vote for this:

http://xbox.uservoice.com/forums/251650-console-accessories/suggestions/6032159-original-xbox-backward-compatibility

maybe we can start playing our old favorites again. Please keep this thread on the first few pages of GAF; and vote for original Xbox emulation on the Xbox One.

OP please pout Vote for the link above in your first post!

Thanks ALL!

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

It'll be shitty anyway.

If you want to play Xbox, buy an Xbox.