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[Rootbeer]

As a non xbox owner, I've had to weather my share of Xbox timed exclusives. Skyrim comes to mind. So frustrating to be playing the PC version in all its glory and have to wait 30 days (minimum) for the new DLCs.

I don't like the practice. But at least I'm on the "right" side of the coin for this round. About time!

 

[EGM1966]

Not really, just trying to understand this whole "money hat" concept.

Is Titanfall considered a money hat? What about Bloodborne?

First understand money hat is a vague term from a meme. Mostly it's intended for games that were simply paid for (in some fashion) not to be on other platforms.

For example the MS CoD deals is a straight up moneyhat - MS have a deal where content that will always be developed for all platforms is artificially delayed on Playsyation.

Bloodboure is at least part funded (and developed) by Sony and they will publish it as a platform exclusive. Not a moneyhat and the game purely exists down to MS funding. Fair exclusive.

TitanFall is tricky as it's probably both from the available evidence. MS would appear to have part funded (minority amount by the looks of it) in return for timed exclusivity for 12 (or did they say 13?) months. MS probably then did moneyhat for the weirdly announced "lifetime" of the title deal that seemed to catch Respawn unawares - so TF probably is a partial moneyhat when all is said and done.

Basically if the game is being funded or fairly supported then I think most people comfortably accept it will be either exclusive or timed exclusive - when it's obviously some form of contractual deal to artificially limit a games appearance on another platform people get (rightly in my view) annoyed.

Another potential example is recent PvZ garden Warfare. Despite the claim about developer size I doubt an EA backed game on an engine designed for multi-console deployment really could have launched day/date is be very surprised if it wasn't kept off Playstation artificially.

 

[Toxi]

People are overreacting to this. It's not like the game will be crippled if you don't play it on ps4. Address the issue if it goes further than this - like half the content missing or something.

When does it become too much? Mass Effect 3 removed a lore-important party member as Day 1 DLC. I have no doubt we'll see (Or have already seen) something similar for making some content exclusive.

 

[T.O.P]

Sorry but friends still have the priority, so X1 it is in the end

 

[Man]

I usually don't care about DLC exclusives like map-packs, skins, weapons and such.

But after having played the Alpha and knowing that I would loose out on a Strike (three-person raid instance)? That would sting me. That content is heart to the Destiny experience imo.

 

[BigDug13]

My particular issue with this is that people spending the same money at the same time are not getting the same game. More like the Fifa legends Ultimate team on XB1 situation which is also rubbish.

That's a valid point about spending the same money. But it's getting to the point where it's not just "console exclusive" stuff that's doing that. Now with specific editions of games being released to specific retailers with exclusive content, it's nearly impossible to get "the entire game and all content that was generated for it" anymore.

I have no doubt that Destiny will see other exclusive content locked to specific retailers or whatever as well. Chances are that none of it, including this bit of PS4 content, is anything game breaking or even worthy of such panic.

It's all poor practices, but in the case of exclusive day one content, how often has that been any content of significant importance?

I don't think this particular exclusive content will amount to very much game. Much like exclusive content in an AC game, it's probably less than an hour of extra stuff that barely adds anything to the overall package that everyone will get to enjoy.

(But I still dislike the practice across the board. From timed exclusive games to timed exclusive content to retailer-specific content. I dislike all of it. )

 

[unempLLOYD]

When's Last Of Us exclusive strike mission in Destiny?

I would love this. "It's a Bloater!" -Drinklage

 

[Kane1345]

I'm getting the PS4 version but this is stupid if true. Exclusive timed DLC has to die.

 

[Rurunaki]

When does it become too much? Mass Effect 3 removed a lore-important party member as Day 1 DLC. I have no doubt we'll see (Or have already seen) something similar for making some content exclusive.

That's too much. However, this issue with Destiny is not. A complete party member than can change the story outcome does not equal additional skin or weapon.

 

[EGOMON]

At this point i am expecting Destiny to did 60% of its total sales on PS4 alone

 

[zomgbbqftw]

Absolutely unbothered by this. MS created the exclusive DLC game and now they must suffer the consequences of losing or not picking the winner. Sony have so far picked ACIV, Destiny and Watch_Doge for exclusive content deals. MS picked FIFA UT, COD and Titanfall. IMO Sony did better business and probably spent significantly less money.

The solution - buy a PS4 and get a critical mass of gamers on one console so that it becomes too expensive for MS to get exclusive DLC and worthless for Sony to bother with it. That's the only way exclusive DLC stops this generation. When it becomes worth less than the money spent on acquiring it.

 

[Guerrilla]

So we got nothing from the devs yet, correct? Won't believe this until we get confirmation.

1-year exclusive dlc seems weird. Lifetime or a month seems more realistic. Can't be that much more expensive to have lifetime exclusive dlc vs 1 year excl. dlc and lifetime sounds a whole lot better.

Still, don't really like the direction sony is taking with all the recent moneyhatting :/ MS seems to have dialed this down a bit while sony is going full force with this. We are probably seeing Shawn Laydens influence already...

 

[BigDug13]

So we got nothing from the devs yet, correct? Won't believe this until we get confirmation.

1-year exclusive dlc seems weird. Lifetime or a month seems more realistic. Can't be that much more expensive to have lifetime exclusive dlc vs 1 year excl. dlc and lifetime sounds a whole lot better.

Still, don't really like the direction sony is taking with all the recent moneyhatting :/ MS seems to have dialed this down a bit while sony is going full force with this. We are probably seeing Shawn Laydens influence already...

I just think MS targeted more expensive exclusive DLC to get like CoD.

 

[matty2Dfraud]

If I don't get Destiny it isn't because of the exclusive content. I just didn't think much of the Alpha. To keep it short:

- Poorly designed main quest. Boss encounters specifically.
- FOV that made me feel like I was playing with binoculars on.
- Lazy spawn system that routinely spawns mobs right on top of you.
- Horrible, unabalanced multiplayer (pvp as they call it). Who has a shotgun? Everyone!


If I do end up getting Destiny it will be for the Xbox One. I can live without one quest, a map for a horrible multiplayer mode, and weapons/equipment that will be replaced within hours of starting the game anyway.

 

[Chobel]

So we got nothing from the devs yet, correct? Won't believe this until we get confirmation.

1-year exclusive dlc seems weird. Lifetime or a month seems more realistic. Can't be that much more expensive to have lifetime exclusive dlc vs 1 year excl. dlc and lifetime sounds a whole lot better.

Still, don't really like the direction sony is taking with all the recent moneyhatting :/ MS seems to have dialed this down a bit while sony is going full force with this. We are probably seeing Shawn Laydens influence already...

MS didn't dial down anything (Evolve, DA:I, The Division, FIFA...).

 

[Nightengale]

while sony is going full force with this. We are probably seeing Shawn Laydens influence already...

LOL WHAT.

These kind of business deals aren't materialised in a week.

 

[samurai1226]

WTF Bungie? If this is true i guess the whole "we dont have enough ressources for a pc version atm" is bs too.

 

[Face it Tiger..]

MS didn't dial down anything (Evolve, DA:I, The Division, FIFA...).

I believe Guetilla wasn't really paying attn watching the xbox conference.

 

[viveks86]

First understand money hat is a vague term from a meme. Mostly it's intended for games that were simply paid for (in some fashion) not to be on other platforms.

For example the MS CoD deals is a straight up moneyhat - MS have a deal where content that will always be developed for all platforms is artificially delayed on Playsyation.

Bloodboure is at least part funded (and developed) by Sony and they will publish it as a platform exclusive. Not a moneyhat and the game purely exists down to MS funding. Fair exclusive.

TitanFall is tricky as it's probably both from the available evidence. MS would appear to have part funded (minority amount by the looks of it) in return for timed exclusivity for 12 (or did they say 13?) months. MS probably then did moneyhat for the weirdly announced "lifetime" of the title deal that seemed to catch Respawn unawares - so TF probably is a partial moneyhat when all is said and done.

Basically if the game is being funded or fairly supported then I think most people comfortably accept it will be either exclusive or timed exclusive - when it's obviously some form of contractual deal to artificially limit a games appearance on another platform people get (rightly in my view) annoyed.

Another potential example is recent PvZ garden Warfare. Despite the claim about developer size I doubt an EA backed game on an engine designed for multi-console deployment really could have launched day/date is be very surprised if it wasn't kept off Playstation artificially.

Disagree with all these examples (except Bloodborne perhaps). Money hatting is a derogatory term that implies bribery. Money hatting is illegal and gives the competition an unfair advantage. If Sony paid Bungie to deliberately screw up the Xbox version (or vice versa), that can be called moneyhatting. If Sony bribed reviewers to give their version of Destiny better scores, that's moneyhatting. "Buying timed or lifetime exclusivity rights" is neither illegal nor unfair. It's standard competitive business practice in many industries. What MS did for Titanfall, PvZ and CoD are perfectly within the boundaries of fair transactions/partnerships. But what I've learnt on gaming forums is that people use it randomly for things that rub them the wrong way.

All this talk about "shady back room dealings" are good pulp fiction for the masses. Throw in some villains, conspiracies and corporate espionage and we have a great movie script on our hands.

 

[Guerrilla]

MS didn't dial down anything (Evolve, DA:I, The Division, FIFA...).

Well sorry, did'nt even have these on my radar as having exclusive content. So I retract my statement, ms indeed didn't dial down anything

LOL WHAT.

These kind of business deals aren't materialised in a week.

Yeah well it's been over 1,5 months now I think something like no mans sky's first on ps or grim fandago first on ps could be done in a month and in time for e3. In case of ceo changes some stuff is usually pushed through pretty fast so the new guy can proove himself as beeing worthy.

 

[J-Rzez]

Solid score for Sony if they have this. Destiny is a great MMOFPS experience, no matter what all the "betrayed" people say. I'd assume quite a few of these people will buy it anyways. Interesting on the crying foul on Sony stuff though, guess it was cool before and even during the "Titanfall" stuff.

Now xbox only gamers now and last gen especially are going to be on the other side of the fence and see why it sucked so hard last gen. Unfortunately, this anchored down, and it's only going to get worse with these "content exclusives" let alone full-on exclusives.

Interesting how this went though, MS wooing Respawn and Insomniac while Sony went at Bungie.

 

[astroturfing]

laughable.

i hope the DLC sucks so i won't have to touch that tainted shit when/if i get it on PS4.

 

[Dart]

Here's my two-cents, even though I'm a "Junior" member on this site...

While I understand that there is an obvious financial benefit to both SONY (since exclusive content could very well drive software and console sales) and Bungie (plus Activision-Blizzard), I can't help but be slightly nauseous at the idea that this is what the industry has amounted to.

If Destiny were an "exclusive" title, I would understand "exclusive" content and early access... But this is a clear-cut preference, period. Regardless of personal opinion, the fact that Activision-Blizzard decided on Destiny getting early-access on PS4/PS3 over the other platform bothers me, if only because it reeks of backroom deals between First- and Third-Party. And while some would argue that this has been a "thing" for some time, I would argue that this particular form has been rearing its ugly head all-of-a-sudden.

We've gone beyond the Third-Party exclusive... Now we're getting the Third-Party "here's what your platform paid for" more-often than not. And in the case of Destiny, while it is releasing on both PS4 and XBOX One, there is a clear advantage in-terms of content that PS4 users are allowed. Now, I'm a PC player, and this doesn't necessarily affect me in a negative light (since the game doesn't have a PC release planned; I don't think it's hitting PC at all). But why is this ok in the console-focused industry? I mean, I understand that the PS4 is "better" than the XBOX One in terms of specifications... But why even bother with the XBOX One-release, if the PS4-release is technically "better" from both a performance basis, and a content-basis to-boot?

(Except Destiny is 30 fps on both PS4 and XBOX One, which screams two things: That parity is still an important factor, even though the two versions DO NOT INTERACT with each other in any-sense; and that there's obviously a performance issue somewhere, which is not an "artistic" decision; 30 fps in an FPS, regardless of design, makes no sense when Call of Duty, annual franchise crowned, is always striving for, and basically hitting, 60 fps period)

My point is this: Console-Manufacturers and Third-Party Publishers/Developers have a lot to explain in terms of how this industry works...And as a PC gamer, I'm thoroughly confused as to how anyone thinks this is a benefit to users, since all I see is a Third-Party going by console-sales rather than market-potential.

Well it benefits PlayStation Users, that's for sure. Also COD & Destiny are two very distinct games. Even if it is possible to reach 60fps on Destiny (which I'm sure it is, on PS4/PC anyway) Bungie already stated that the main reason behind this has to do with Destiny being a cross-platform game & wanting the "same experience" on all platforms. Kind of ironic because now it turns out that the PlayStation consoles get a 1 year timed-exclusive DLC. That said I'm sure this exclusive DLC is not much to deter from the overall experience of the game.

 

[cjp]

As a non xbox owner, I've had to weather my share of Xbox timed exclusives. Skyrim comes to mind. So frustrating to be playing the PC version in all its glory and have to wait 30 days (minimum) for the new DLCs.

I don't like the practice. But at least I'm on the "right" side of the coin for this round. About time!

Agreed.

Microsoft would have done the exact same thing if they had the chance.

 

[zomgbbqftw]

All this talk about "shady back room dealings" are good pulp fiction for the masses. Throw in some villains, conspiracies and corporate espionage and we have a great movie script on our hands.

I can see it now:

Jack Tretton sends an anonymous letter to Bobby Kotick made up of cuttings of magazine and newspaper letters. "Meet me in the car park at midnight, come alone". During the meeting Jack doesn't show his face but offers three briefcases full of money to Bobby for exclusivity of some content to his platform, Jack doesn't specify which platform just yet so Bobby stays interested, it is assumed that the next Xbox will beat the next PlayStation so revealing that he is buying exclusive content for PS4 wouldn't help just yet. Bobby, interested in the cash asks "for which game?". "Destiny.", Jack replies.

Bobby, still interested in the cash proceeds with a little caution, he is wary that the anonymous buyer could be from PlayStation and that the developers have a special relationship with Xbox fans, but interested in the cash they shake on a deal. Bobby, to his great horror, discovers that he has just signed away 12 months of exclusivity on certain content to Sony, the makers of the PS4. He can't take it back though, the cash has been accepted and they have shaken on it. Bobby is a man of his word, but he does curse the anonymous stranger and prays for the forgiveness of Xbox fans around the world.

 

[Mr Moose]

Could be worse, the game could be timed exclusive (I'm looking at you, EA).

 

[Yu Narukami]

Could be worse, the game could be timed exclusive (I'm looking at you, EA).

It could be much worse. Remember Star Ocean 4?

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

Nothing wrong with true game exclusives IMO, gives incentive to buy a platform, timed and DLC exclusives are bullshit though.

Sony finally getting with the times with the big heavy hitters eh lol. I was pissed when Fallout and GTA dlc wasn't on ps3 for a long time. Guess its time for me to enjoy some content first.

In the case of GTAIV's DLC MS had the exclusivity on them because they loaned $50M to T2 which was used to make the DLCs in the first place. If it wasn't for MS's loan they might not have been made due to the dire straits T2 was in at the time financially. Didn't end up working out too well in the long run since they performed under expectations and Rockstar isn't going to invest that much resources into DLC or exclusivity like that again.

Ok so how about Plants vs Zombies Garden Warfare. If you're ok with that being timed exclusive, can you then become upset that this stuff is timed exclusive?

You should either disagree with all of it or agree with all of it.

I used to hate on Sony getting timed exclusive on GTA series back in the day too. It's all BS.

Doing this from memory and it's been a rather long time now...

Sony had console exclusivity to GTA back then because they gave support for the IP that wasn't viewed as important enough to get a big push behind back when the deal was made and were basically the only option at the time as the Dreamcast and that was discontinued months before GTA III's release though IIRC it was written off as an option early in production after DMA learned of the PS2's capabilities and likely having little to no faith in Sega, Nintendo was Nintendo and Microsoft was unproven to take further risks with what was already a big risk with GTA III. Also probably helped on Sony's end that the people in charge of Rockstar are rather pro-Sony, especially Dan Houser.

After GTA III and then Vice City's huge success Rockstar (and IIRC T2) worked on backing out of the deal which lead to the III/VC double pack as an attempted loophole which then in turn lead to Sony and T2 settling with San Andreas being timed exclusive on PS2. It's the only GTA that was really timed exclusive as the other two were originally flat out exclusive before the contract was broken. The XBox probably wouldn't have even gotten them if it weren't for it being a stripped down PC.

EDIT: Oh the "Stories" games on PSP (and later PS2 ports) might also have been a part of that deal.

 

[Canis lupus]

1 year, but cheap enough not to lock it for eternity.

1-2 month timed exclusivities are bearable but who's gonna wait an entire year.

 

[HariKari]

WTF Bungie? If this is true i guess the whole "we dont have enough ressources for a pc version atm" is bs too.

I'm thinking of a game that was exclusive for X1 that was kind of a big deal here....

Can you help me out? I think it had robots in it.

This is all fair play. Sony is just buying up smaller little exclusives like DLC because they want to differentiate PS4 vs XB1. You know, like Microsoft moneyhatting Titanfall.

I'm not sure why MS fans feel the need to hound Bungie at every turn now because they're no longer a first party.

 

[LastChance2Frag]

Not so bothered about the armour/guns/1 map DLC but having a dungeon locked away for a year is a quite a long time, if it has any sort of story will that even be relavent by the time xbox users get to play it/ what level will it be? achievement's/loot that is only attainable in that strike.

Not knowing how many Strikes will be available in the Day 1 version of the game but seeing how strikes will be like MMO dungeons that are pretty repayable/grindy it could actually be quite a sizeable chunk of gameplay missing.

Will be playing on Xbox either way to start may double dip for remote play if I really like it, but I wonder whether there will be retail exclusives like borderlands had with the creature dome on top of the Playstation partnership...

 

[Forsythia]

A year is ridiculous. It won't stop me from playing the game on Xbox One, but I surely won't be paying €60,- for it.

 

[bidguy]

this does devalue the game on 360/xb1

wont be picking this up at launch anymore. probably used or when it hits 40.

 

[d9b]

Ms is getting a taste of their own bitter medicine, but still, the whole year is a bit excessive.

 

[T.O.P]

This is all fair play. Sony is just buying up smaller little exclusives like DLC because they want to differentiate PS4 vs XB1. You know, like Microsoft moneyhatting Titanfall.

MS helped getting the game founded since other wouldn't do it

It's really not the same thing, at all

 

[Kayant]

Not really, just trying to understand this whole "money hat" concept.

Is Titanfall considered a money hat? What about Bloodborne?

Yh to Titanfall No to Bloodborne.

Bloodborne from the start is funded and published by Sony. It's a collaboration with Sony Japan and Sony where the ones that went to From Software to get the game made.

TF initially wasn't a moneyhat because thanks to MS funding at some point in development the project was able to be completed which got them 13 months exclusivity which was later extended to being a full MS platform exclusive around E3. Even by MS's terms it will be considered a moneyhat third-party exclusive being that they are not publishing it.

OT - I wish the days of timed content are coming to an end. Majority of the time they are pointless

Spoiler

Probably not

 

[benny_a]

MS helped getting the game founded since other wouldn't do it

It's really not the same thing, at all

Maybe he is talking about the part where the deal was about a timed exclusive and then later after E3 due to the hype and then surprise of the studio head it was a full exclusive.

 

[Jburton]

Could not care less, I have benefitted from these deals and lost out to them.

The was no ground swell to oppose it last gen when Sony owners got fucked, indeed it was a bonus point on many lists trotted out here.

Some you win and some you lose, some features in FIFA both this year coming and last will never come to PS4 and will only be on Xbox ....... I did not see no big hoopla abou that one.

Some you win and some you lose.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

1 year.....ouch. Sony certainly picked an amazing game to do this.

Chalk me down as someone who doesn't like this practice but I don't expect it to stop.

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

See this is why I like Sony. They actually form partnerships to get DLC instead of money hatting like Microsoft does.

Seriously? Who says shit like this.

 

[Unreal Champ]

Yep. Console bundle, exclusive DLC, early beta/alpha access. I'm sure there'll be PS advertisements that will similarly show this around mid-late August. It's gonna give it a significant boost.

You really think Sony didn't pay moneyhats for this? You are a silly little naive person if you truly think that.

Good thing I'm skipping this game anyway. After playing the beta, the little interest I had is gone.

Seriously? Who says shit like this.

Fanboys, partucularly the rabid fanboys.

 

[T.O.P]

See this is why I like Sony. They actually form partnerships to get DLC instead of money hatting like Microsoft does.

lolol

 

[jet1911]

The only "important" exclusive thing in all of those seems to be the strike mission. The weapons and armor will all be obsolete rather quickly.

 

[n0tail]

Excellent news. Very glad to hear it, was expecting three months, but this is even better. Glad I chose the PS4.

 

[T.O.P]

Excellent news. Very glad to hear it, was expecting three months, but this is even better. Glad I chose the PS4.

this i do not understand, the more other people wait to get something, the more you are happy?


the fuck is happening

 

[Bgamer90]

Some you win and some you lose, some features in FIFA both this year coming and last will never come to PS4 and will only be on Xbox ....... I did not see no big hoopla abou that one.

Some you win and some you lose.

I don't think many here on GAF care for sports games so that may be why.

Anyway, I don't like these deals either but this is how the industry is now. Third party games are just as big as (or bigger than) the first party exclusives. Sony/MS will continue on paying money for content in these games.

 

[Caayn]

A year? It's practically a permanent exclusive at that point.

See this is why I like Sony. They actually form partnerships to get DLC instead of money hatting like Microsoft does.

Excellent news. Very glad to hear it, was expecting three months, but this is even better. Glad I chose the PS4.

Please tell me that I did not just read what I think read...

Sorry but friends still have the priority, so X1 it is in the end

Same for me. Exclusive content is a horrible business practice for the consumer, it gives the consumer nothing it only blocks parts of a community from accessing the full game due their system of choice.

 

[Dunlop]

this i do not understand, the more other people wait to get something, the more you are happy?


the fuck is happening

.

Lame and I will be getting the ps4 version

 

[Jburton]

this i do not understand, the more other people wait to get something, the more you are happy?


the fuck is happening

Please, the amount of gloating done over things like TF going from timed to full exclusive was deafening.

Let's not play the victim card here when MS have been the main drivers of this model since last gen, wasn't MS's massive spending power lauded around here by many Xbox owners?


Something goes against the grain and a shit fit occurs, laughable

 

[Bgamer90]

Please, the amount of gloating done over things like TF going from timed to full exclusive was deafening.

Let's not play the victim card here when MS have been the main drivers of this model since last gen, wasn't MS's massive spending power lauded around here by many Xbox owners?


Something goes against the grain and a shit fit occurs, laughable

What's to say he didn't feel the same about Titanfall going from a timed to a full/true exclusive?