Lol that would be hilarious if they actually did it to initiate him into the Playstation executive family. After the show when he went backstage they were probably whipping him with Playstation towels and making him go through the paddle line.
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Shuhei Yoshida: Powers part of Sony E3 conference was "a mistake"
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Lol that would be hilarious if they actually did it to initiate him into the Playstation executive family. After the show when he went backstage they were probably whipping him with Playstation towels and making him go through the paddle line.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Sony conferences should never be 90 mins, they should do 45 to 60 at most, sony never has enough stuff to cover a whole 2 hours and they arent more important then the other 2 big players, people forget but everyone was bored through most of last year's conference aswell until the trailers for KH3 and FF15 showed up which had no payoff for this year btw
RedHotChimiChanga
Banned
I bet it wasn't planned for Bendis to talk all that time. The dude talked like he was at the Oscars thanking everyone.
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
That isn't really Sony's fault tho. Whoever leaked Bloodbourne basically killed their biggest surprise (from the looks of what was actually shown); it was impossible for them to have a bigger surprise than that and it got out of the bag well in advance. The way Sony scheduled it in the conference was sort of admitting to the fact.
It's actually the fact they were kinda flubbing that was most amusing to me. Don't know why, but I love watching people fail at video games, they make for the best LPs especially when they have a sense of humor about it.
Unless it's a fighting game. It's not as enjoyable then.
I kind of forget how Layden even got into this conversation now lol.
GoofsterStud
Member
They should of announced it at comicon
Megatron
Member
Now you're just splitting hairs. Either way Sony would be spending a lot of time talking about something that we will never be able to play.
zackmorris
Member
Thread title implies that the whole thing was a mistake and that's not what he is saying at all.
You can have whatever opinion on Shawn Layden you want but not only is the ps vita tv not his baby, but it was something heavily requested to be brought internationally. Calm your britches, its a second ps4 for your bedroom/non portable vita. Not the spawn of Satan.
theSlacker
Member
I didn't even hate the Powers thing, at least it was something. The bad part was that entire middle segment with the new ceo talking that also included Powers.
If they just showed nothing during it and cut the show down it would have been better. They could have also shown other gameplay that they had. It doesn't mater if it was leaked, the Bloodborne stuff would have been great. Same with more of The Order 1886. Guilty Gear Xrd is only coming out on PS consoles and that didn't get anything. Was MK too much fighting game for everyone?
God damn man, I would rather nether of the two pictured. Ubisoft things are just creepy in a different way that can be enjoyed ironically. Bendis' problem had nothing to do with his looks, just that it had nothing to do with games and went on too long. I would much rather an actual dev doing a (short) talk about their game that is being shown then to ever see another non gamplay spot on a Ubisoft conference.
If they just showed nothing during it and cut the show down it would have been better. They could have also shown other gameplay that they had. It doesn't mater if it was leaked, the Bloodborne stuff would have been great. Same with more of The Order 1886. Guilty Gear Xrd is only coming out on PS consoles and that didn't get anything. Was MK too much fighting game for everyone?
Never put a creepy reclusive writer/developer/producer/whatever in an E3 show again. I directly relate games to developers. If they seem like the kind of person I would want to know, I'll try their game. If they seem like creepy man-children (of which there are many) I'm instantly turned off. I think Ubisoft has the right idea in hiring actors to show their games. They are aware that lead developers and producers rarely make good salesmen.
This:
Vs This:
So that was mistake #1. Mistake #2 was giving any amount of time to non-gaming content. Save that for another show another time.
God damn man, I would rather nether of the two pictured. Ubisoft things are just creepy in a different way that can be enjoyed ironically. Bendis' problem had nothing to do with his looks, just that it had nothing to do with games and went on too long. I would much rather an actual dev doing a (short) talk about their game that is being shown then to ever see another non gamplay spot on a Ubisoft conference.
Saint of Killers
Member
1.21Gigawatts
Banned
At least the camera man was good this year.
I don't think the fact that they had the Powers part was a mistake. How they presented it was a mistake.
It was way too long, probably longer than any of the game showings and they didn't show anything apart from 2 or 3 artworks.
So too long and not presented in an appealing way...
I mean, some people will always bitch about the multimedia parts of these conferences from now on. Since the Xbox reveal thats the cool thing to do. But actually these thing are part of E3 and I don't think Sony and Microsoft should leave it out. Just present it better.
Microsoft got shit for their Xbox reveal because they basically talked about nothing else, of course gamers will get mad.
Sony talked about games for over 90 mins, they can have their 5-10 mins of TV, multimedia, but present it in a good way, not in a boring way.
Edit: Laydens bit was also boring. But I heard there should have been another big game announced in his part that got pulled shortly before the conference. (probably wrong, I don't even remember where I heard that)
You should talk so much without actually showing something. While watching his part I actually hoped he would announce the rumored Ps2 emulation, that would have saved his segment.
I don't think the fact that they had the Powers part was a mistake. How they presented it was a mistake.
It was way too long, probably longer than any of the game showings and they didn't show anything apart from 2 or 3 artworks.
So too long and not presented in an appealing way...
I mean, some people will always bitch about the multimedia parts of these conferences from now on. Since the Xbox reveal thats the cool thing to do. But actually these thing are part of E3 and I don't think Sony and Microsoft should leave it out. Just present it better.
Microsoft got shit for their Xbox reveal because they basically talked about nothing else, of course gamers will get mad.
Sony talked about games for over 90 mins, they can have their 5-10 mins of TV, multimedia, but present it in a good way, not in a boring way.
Edit: Laydens bit was also boring. But I heard there should have been another big game announced in his part that got pulled shortly before the conference. (probably wrong, I don't even remember where I heard that)
You should talk so much without actually showing something. While watching his part I actually hoped he would announce the rumored Ps2 emulation, that would have saved his segment.
REMEMBER CITADEL
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The Powers, Layden and (to some extent) letters segments were all mistakes.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Did you imagine a Nintendo conference or something?
Nightengale
Member
Shuhei said a few things.
Vita was given less focus on-stage, but more off-stage. Nick Accordino was promoting BigFest and Freedom Wars, a producer from San Diego was promoting Guns Up and XDev Europe was promoting Murasaki Baby. In hindsight, he kinda acknowledged at Podcast Beyond that it should have been done better.
Secondly, he said that he had a 'long list' of stuff that he could had shown, but once they scheduled everything into 90 minutes ( on paper ), he hinted that some potential announcements got removed from E3 and pushed up to other events.
Do Yoshida think that Powers was the only mistake?
I didn't even see that part and imo the Sony conference was the worst one of the big three.
Almost no gameplay and the Bloodborn revealing with no gameplay when it was already leaked weeks before was the peak.
All of this without counting the totally unjustified absence of Vita.
And what about the declaration about first party support for Vita? That was not an error too? Well at least he in part admitted it specifying that Vita will keep getting first party games, even if less.
I didn't even see that part and imo the Sony conference was the worst one of the big three.
Almost no gameplay and the Bloodborn revealing with no gameplay when it was already leaked weeks before was the peak.
All of this without counting the totally unjustified absence of Vita.
And what about the declaration about first party support for Vita? That was not an error too? Well at least he in part admitted it specifying that Vita will keep getting first party games, even if less.
I amma give Sony some E3 advice. Consumers tune in to E3 to *hold on to ur butts* to see games *gasp*. Nobody wants gimmicky motion control demos, stats about your success, TV content CURATED FOR GAMERS, powers, nor wonderbook. So stop wasting E3 time on such things Sony. Jeez, u have been doing this for 20 years now.
Melchiah
Member
And Microsoft had more gameplay in theirs? Many of their announcements were CGI trailers.
For you, maybe.
They had the best one, imho.
Nightengale
Member
Hmm?
Gameplay:
Order 1886
Entwined
LBP3
FC4
Devolver Digital games
No Man's Sky
MKX
Batman AK
In-engine + Gameplay bits
inFamous : FL
BF Hardline
Magicka 2
Abzu
TLoU : Remastered
GTAV
In-engine trailer or CGi
Destiny
Bloodborne
Dead Island
MGSV
Uncharted 4
How was it an error? He was stating it honestly and it's still true that Vita will get less exclusive first-party games compared to now, but there will still be Vita games, and digital games will continue to be multiplatform.
Melchiah
Member
I loved the part about Powers, maybe because I'm so much into comics now, but it was cool to see Bendis up there!
It could have been presented better, but yeah I liked it as well, given that I've read the Powers series through two times.
Nightengale
Member
Consumers tune into E3 for games.
Sony holds a press conference for the press and consumers by extension.
Sony talks on-stage the stuff that they want to be most prominent in their brand messaging. Stats, media services, are all part of that.
mysteriousmage09
Member
Yep, that was a major sleep inducing moment. At this point, i'm fully expecting Gamescom to be better than E3.
Shennanigans. The XBone had to be rebranded as a games machine. They left gaping holes in the future of the XBone such as no hint of VR, no cloud, no Kinect killer apps and not a hint of DX12.
I know people are gushing over Microsofts presentation, but the truth of the matter is that it was little more than a glorified montage and doesn't show the consumer or the industry any vision for the road ahead with the XBone.
Splashing trailers like that was simply a marketing decision to duck the hard stuff this year and let people spin it into a "games first, games only" showing from MS to distance themselves from what they tried to do with the machine. That shouldn't be emulated, it should be abhorred. I guess some people like watching softball, though.
Nightengale
Member
I don't know about you, but I've always thought that Sony's Gamescom > Sony's E3. Every year.
There's less megatons, but the pacing feels more fluid, and for those who doesn't care so much about AAA, the kind of games that Sony tends to announce there are normally the ones that I prefer.
Eg. rain, Tearaway, Puppeteer, Rime, Helldivers, Murasaki Baby, LBP2.
Imo it was a little better, more games focused with some big surprises.
Imo the MS conference was more interesting in general(and i neither have a MS console nor i want to buy one) and more games focused
I'm not a big company boss but imo if negative things should be done(and imo it's not the case) they should be done without clamor if possible.
His declaration:
a)damaged Sony reputation, next time that a Sony platform will be in difficulty people will remember what they did to Vita and will have less faith on the platform.
b)damaged Vita, i guess the aim of Sony is to sell it, saying that there will be less first party games doesn't help right?
Acheteedo
Member
I think gamers are really starting to lack any kind of patience with E3 press conferences, if the conference strays from what they personally want they start crying. Personally, the segment bored me, but why should that be a major problem when there was so much other stuff that was interesting to me?
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Why did you choose to write this? What does it achieve?
When it came to the half way mark and they said one last game I thought, well that was nice, Sony managed to keep it short and to the point for once...
...then it continued for another hour!
Please note it was about 3am local time so my mood wasn't exactly the greatest so Sony was basically facing an uphill battle to impress me.
...then it continued for another hour!
Please note it was about 3am local time so my mood wasn't exactly the greatest so Sony was basically facing an uphill battle to impress me.
Nightengale
Member
You're entitled to your opinion. That's fair. But saying 'almost no gameplay' is nonsense. And all of MS's big surprises had no gameplay too, so not sure why you're suddenly wanting to play double standards with Bloodborne.
I'm not a company guy. Why should I give a shit about that?
Sure, if I was Shu's boss, I'd be pissed. But I'm a consumer and I appreciate honesty. Sony's aim is to sell it, but that's their problem. My problem is that I want the corporations to be honest with me, and I can appreciate Shu's honesty, even if I'm unhappy that Vita will get less focus moving forward.
Melchiah
Member
Like I pointed out earlier on the thread, Sony's 1h 45min conference had about 1h 14min of game presentations. Powers and Shawn Layden took about 20min of that. If that isn't game-focused I don't know what is.
As for suprises... Bloodborne (despite of the leaks, it was a surprise for many, and just plain amazing for the rest), Suda 51's Let It Die, LBP3 reveal & gameplay, Grim Fandango, Abzu, No Man's Sky timed exclusivity, Uncharted 4 reveal, and Arkham Knight & FC4 gameplay.
Yup, same here. I liked the concept despite not knowing about the comic, but it didn't deserve that much time. Oh well, it still managed to sell me on the show (thankfully it's free for PS+ members), so I can say it served its purpose.
lukeskymac
Member
This alone is only comparable to Zelda U's own reveal. So I'm going to say no. Nothing MS announced comes close. If only they actually showed something Halo 5...
Yeah, it's good to see them actually come out this soon after E3 and basically call themselves out.
None of this makes any sense. You buy games based on how you perceive a bunch of developers in a 3 minutes talk on stage?
Games usually made by hundreds and sometimes thousands of people?
That's like refusing to watch The Godfather because you hate on the set decorator.
we.are.the.armada
Member
Yeah that whole TV shit was straight out of microsoft 2013 or something. Felt so boring and inappropriate.
Agreed, they have a bad habit of always running 2 hours when they don't have enough engaging content for that.
Scully Scully Scoo
Member
The whole conference was a mistake, initially was going to buy ps4 this year but now seriously thinking about getting x1
TouchMyBox
Member
Are we going to talk about how bored we were by the Powers part of Sony's conference for longer than we were actually bored by the Powers part of Sony's conference?
Chuck Norris
Banned
I timed how long the Powers bit was, was roughly 2 minutes. It really wasn't that bad, original series are pretty cool on Netflix, it's good to see Sony and MS looking at this revenue source
The bad thing about the Sony conference was that Shawn Layden just didn't present well. He actually had a lot of gaming content that he discussed, but it all just washed over me in a sea of boredom until he went off stage. I'm sure the guy does his job well but he is not necessarily a stage presence, especially for that long
The bad thing about the Sony conference was that Shawn Layden just didn't present well. He actually had a lot of gaming content that he discussed, but it all just washed over me in a sea of boredom until he went off stage. I'm sure the guy does his job well but he is not necessarily a stage presence, especially for that long
Mass Effect
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Nothing against Powers, but you don't put something like that at E3. Save that for Comic-con.
But I think this and Layden relfects on a larger point; that Sony needs to get out of the "old" way of doing E3 conferences. Too much talking, too much PR, too much content unrelated to gaming. There's no sense of consistency or flow with their conferences.
I think they need to start looking at what Nintendo and Microsoft did this year. Nintendo's direct was charming and entertaining, and of course had the content as well. Microsoft's conference was wonderfully paced with nothing but "games, games GAMES." Was it the most mind-blowing content ever? No, but at least it was interesting to watch from start to finish. Very little talking, no "suits" rambling on stage. Something Sony should definitely copy.
But I think this and Layden relfects on a larger point; that Sony needs to get out of the "old" way of doing E3 conferences. Too much talking, too much PR, too much content unrelated to gaming. There's no sense of consistency or flow with their conferences.
I think they need to start looking at what Nintendo and Microsoft did this year. Nintendo's direct was charming and entertaining, and of course had the content as well. Microsoft's conference was wonderfully paced with nothing but "games, games GAMES." Was it the most mind-blowing content ever? No, but at least it was interesting to watch from start to finish. Very little talking, no "suits" rambling on stage. Something Sony should definitely copy.
lukeskymac
Member
When you put it that way, it does sound stupid.
Yep
Let's not fool ourselves. The Powers presentation is just a rallying point for factional fanboys to lord over Sony at E3 because their particular presentation was nothing but games focused.
That sounds great on paper until you come to the realization that there was no Cloud, DX12, Secret Sauce or actual 3rd party megaton at MSes conference which was pretty much all the things that particular faction talked about for the past year.
So, yes, Powers was a low point in Sony's presentation and there's no denying that. However, for the life of me, I can't see why people want to talk more about Powers than all the big '?' marks that MS dodged with theirs.
That sounds great on paper until you come to the realization that there was no Cloud, DX12, Secret Sauce or actual 3rd party megaton at MSes conference which was pretty much all the things that particular faction talked about for the past year.
So, yes, Powers was a low point in Sony's presentation and there's no denying that. However, for the life of me, I can't see why people want to talk more about Powers than all the big '?' marks that MS dodged with theirs.
Oh please. It was a way to lead into more game unveils. I bet you thought the million and one lights around the auditorium when Ori and The Blind Forest was being unveiled was captivating huh?
BeatResetsTheWorld
Banned
Is this Sony's "Please understand"?