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[dark10x]

This is so disingenous. No, it doesn't run sub-30 most of the time, nor does it run at "20 fps." It runs at 30 fps with occasional slowdown when things get intense, just like the saturn version (for example, the saturn version slows down when the rockets explode in toon land).

I'd much rather play a game with more content and a save system than a system that runs at a marginally crisper resolution.

You are incorrect.

The Saturn version runs at 60 fps with minimal slowdown. Where did you get the idea that it ran at less than 60?

The 3DO version actually DOES run under 30 fps a good amount of the time. It slows down CONSTANTLY.

It was one of the first games I bought when I picked up a 3DO a couple years back and was surprised at how choppy it was. Both the Saturn and PSX versions are 60 fps.

I own all three.

 

[Krejlooc]

You are incorrect.

The Saturn version runs at 60 fps with minimal slowdown. Where did you get the idea that it ran at less than 60?

From playing it. Also from your own statement - you just said it has "minimal" slowdown.

The 3DO version actually DOES run under 30 fps a good amount of the time. It slows down CONSTANTLY.

No, it slows down OCCASIONALLY.

It was one of the first games I bought when I picked up a 3DO a couple years back and was surprised at how choppy it was. Both the Saturn and PSX versions are 60 fps.

I own all three.

Neato. I own 4 copies of Gex.

 

[dark10x]

From playing it. Also from your own statement - you just said it has "minimal" slowdown.

No, it slows down OCCASIONALLY.

Neato. I own 4 copies of Gex.

I just played the first level on Saturn. No slowdown.

On 3DO, lots of slowdown. Near constant (in the sense that almost every time you collect items, break blocks, or perform any action that results in additional sprites, it slows down)

I own 4 as well (JP and US versions of the Saturn version). Not the PC version, though.

What are you arguing here? The 3DO version runs at half the frame-rate and often slows down to 20 fps. It was HUGELY disappointing. The only 60 fps side-scroller I've found on 3DO thus far is Soccer Kid, unfortunately. The fact that everything is interlaced makes it all much worse too.

 

[Krejlooc]

I just played the first level on Saturn. No slowdown.

On 3DO, lots of slowdown. Near constant.

I own 4 as well (JP and US versions of the Saturn version). Not the PC version, though.

What are you arguing here? The 3DO version runs at half the frame-rate and often slows down to 20 fps.

I'm arguing that it doesn't slow down to the degree you're claiming, obviously.

 

[dark10x]

I'm arguing that it doesn't slow down to the degree you're claiming, obviously.

That's difficult to argue then as I perceive the slowdown unacceptable in a side-scroller that is already 30 fps. 30 fps in a side scroller from that era is just awful so to slow down as often as it does really makes a bad impression on me.

If you find it to be acceptable, that's fine I guess.

To come from the SNES or Genesis where nearly every game was 60 fps made the jump pretty jarring.

 

[andymcc]

People actually play and enjoy Gex?

Holy shit.

 

[oneida]

People actually play and enjoy Gex?

Holy shit.

my first Saturn game!

 

[Morrigan Stark]

People actually play and enjoy Gex?

Holy shit.

Hahaha. And argue about its different versions too. Only on NeoGAF.

(This isn't meant to be a disparaging comment, btw, but I do find it amusing.)

 

[dark10x]

Hahaha. And argue about its different versions too. Only on NeoGAF.

(This isn't meant to be a disparaging comment, btw, but I do find it amusing.)

It's an interesting talking point for me, actually, as it was one of the very few attempts at a classic 2D platformer on 3DO. It highlights some of the deficiencies in its hardware design. 3DO worked in a very different way compared to most of its contemporaries which could allow for some unique stuff but it was not well suited for 2D games.

GEX was basically the system's "mascot platformer" making it surprising to me that it could only operate at 30 fps with slowdown.

 

[sixteen-bit]

my first Saturn game!

Gex came with my 3DO and thus was my first game for the system too but u don't see me talking about it, lol

 

[Krejlooc]

People actually play and enjoy Gex?

Holy shit.

If you're talking about the 3D ones, maybe I could understand. But the original? What's wrong with it? It's a pretty standard fair 2D platformer, not amazing but certainly not bad. I liked the way the difficulty ramped and I thought it had great level design near the end, and, for the time, really good graphics.

I blame the game starting with that boring cemetery world for your negative opinion. Around toon land is when it starts getting good.

 

[andymcc]

Can we compare the differences between Skeleton Warriors on Playstation and Sega Saturn next

 

[sixteen-bit]

I need to know if I'm having the definitve Johnny Bazookatone experience on my 3DO or if I should cop the Saturn release.

 

[Krejlooc]

Can we compare the differences between Skeleton Warriors on Playstation and Sega Saturn next

IIRC the PSX version is missing a bunch of the foreground layer effects.

 

[oneida]

Gex came with my 3DO and thus was my first game for the system too but u don't see me talking about it, lol

for me? RYAAW you shouldn't have

 

[Friend of Sonic]

I need to know if I'm having the definitve Johnny Bazookatone experience on my 3DO or if I should cop the Saturn release.

Bwahahahhaha

I wanted to come in her to ask for a silly comparison of a 3DO and Saturn game, but that's as silly as you could get I think. Well done

 

[Timu]

2 people on Amazon are selling Panzer Dragoon Saga for 360 bucks and it includes all 4 discs, the case and manual...

That's the cheapest I've seen for that game recently.

 

[Sixfortyfive]

2 people on Amazon are selling Panzer Dragoon Saga for 360 bucks and it includes all 4 discs, the case and manual...

That's the cheapest I've seen for that game recently.

I sold my copy on eBay this week for $290.

 

[Timu]

I sold my copy on eBay this week for $290.

...I would had loved to buy that.=O

What got me into the series was playing Panzer Dragoon Orta 1st and then beating it to unlocking the original Panzer Dragoon and I played that too so I might as well get the rest to complete the series.

 

[Zabi]

I sold my copy on eBay this week for $290.

Yikes. My copy that came with inserts and all was gotten for $150 years ago. Sega Saturn games sure do jump up in value.

 

[Green Card]

...I would had loved to buy that.=O

What got me into the series was playing Panzer Dragoon Orta 1st and then beating it to unlocking the original Panzer Dragoon and I played that too so I might as well get the rest to complete the series.

Oh right that is why I never bought Panzer Dragoon. Oh well I wasnt going to turn it down for $15. Now I have it for Saturn and Xbox.

 

[GurgleBot20]

Finally joined the Saturn club today with a model two purchase with Virtua Fighter 2. It has problems outputting video with the rf cable it came with, but that only happens in in game menus, but not during actual gameplay. I'm pretty sure it's just my TV being janky with rf since it doesn't happen on the other TV I tested it with.

Also, Virtua Fighter 2 is another reminder that I have no idea what I'm doing whenever I play fighting games.

 

[Teknoman]

Finally joined the Saturn club today with a model two purchase with Virtua Fighter 2. It has problems outputting video with the rf cable it came with, but that only happens in in game menus, but not during actual gameplay. I'm pretty sure it's just my TV being janky with rf since it doesn't happen on the other TV I tested it with.

Also, Virtua Fighter 2 is another reminder that I have no idea what I'm doing whenever I play fighting games.

Get some normal composite cables asap. Virtua Fighter really isnt a good gauge for fighting game skill You have to really be on point, no matter the knowledge level in VF games imo. Not really the easiest 3D fighter to learn.

 

[Tain]

I really fucked up by selling PDS in 2010 :/

 

[GurgleBot20]

Get some normal composite cables asap. Virtua Fighter really isnt a good gauge for fighting game skill You have to really be on point, no matter the knowledge level in VF games imo. Not really the easiest 3D fighter to learn.

Yeah, that's probably going to be my first purchase, plus some more games.

Speaking of which, what games are considered both really cheap yet still pretty fun? I do have a list of games I want to buy but a lot of them tend to fall into the 25-50$ range or even worse.

 

[IrishNinja]

jesus christ...yeah i was looking up stuff for a friend & saw all 4 discs of PDS (no case or manual) and shit went for around $300...what the fuck

i wanna say mine was like $230 CIB just earlier this year, off a forum post - same dude who did $150 for Snatcher, Shining Force CD & one of the PSX FF collections. i keep saying it, but branch out to some retro forums, you guys - there's deals to be had still. let these resellers, insta-collectors & other shmucks pay the stupid mark-up prices.

 

[Seik]

jesus christ...yeah i was looking up stuff for a friend & saw all 4 discs of PDS (no case or manual) and shit went for around $300...what the fuck

i wanna say mine was like $230 CIB just earlier this year, off a forum post - same dude who did $150 for Snatcher, Shining Force CD & one of the PSX FF collections. i keep saying it, but branch out to some retro forums, you guys - there's deals to be had still. let these resellers, insta-collectors & other shmucks pay the stupid mark-up prices.

Yeah, forums are the best, I built a big part of my collection thanks to folks on GAF that were selling here at decent prices.

Wow at PDS too, I'm glad I got mine a few years ago for $190 complete with all the stuff (on Ebay!), only the first disc have a very few scratches, everything else is mint. Prices are going insane!

 

[IrishNinja]

they really are. Burning Rangers stays outside of my comfort zone, Shining Force III (the one that got away) is slowly creeping up too. sucks.

 

[Timu]

I will make it my mission to buy Panzer Dragoon Saga, Shining Force III, Dragon Force and Burning Rangers...I just don't know when, lol.

 

[Seik]

they really are. Burning Rangers stays outside of my comfort zone, Shining Force III (the one that got away) is slowly creeping up too. sucks.

Yeah, though Burning Rangers price didn't change all that much since a year and a half from what I can see.

Paid mine for the big price, something around $180, at least it is MINT as FUCK!

 

[IrishNinja]

wait, for real? i thought BR's jump was in the last year or so, i had it pegged around the -same $75-80 pricepoint in my mind as SF III, and recall watching it climb into the $100's...damn

still never forget those 2 copies that snuck by last xmas or so for $20 each, some dudes really lucked out!

 

[Seik]

Well, I got mine in...Febuary 2013 IIRC, to give you an idea.

What the hell, $20 each?!

 

[IrishNinja]

swear to god, ebay dumps records after like 90 days i wanna say, but i know someone brought em to my attention in this very thread! it was in december but not like christmas day or anything, and not even like crazy BIN's...as i recall it was just nobody else really bid em up or something. might've been slightly more than $20 something but wasn't by much, shit was mind blowing to see (and kinda gave you hope that amazing deals could still be had on ebay once in a while haha)

 

[dark10x]

I need to know if I'm having the definitve Johnny Bazookatone experience on my 3DO or if I should cop the Saturn release.

You joke but I actually know this one as well.

It's better on Saturn. The 3do version runs with an unlocked frame-rate meaning that it hits 60 fps when nothing is happening and drops straight to 30 (or lower) as soon as any action begins. It feels wildly inconsistent as a result.

Interestingly, if you run it on an emulator with over-clocking enabled you can hit 60 fps most of the time. It's just on a real 3do that it struggles.

It's 60 fps on Saturn and PSX, however. No idea how it runs on PC.

Any other esoteric comparisons you'd like? ;-)

 

[andymcc]

Any other esoteric comparisons you'd like? ;-)

you're a sick man who does sick things.

 

[Rich!]

Hey guys, if anyone is interested, I just found an unused universal modchip for the Saturn in my PC motherboard box.

I'll sell it for £15 inc shipping. UK only, but I may be able to ship to the US.

Got no use for it.

 

[Laws00]

One day I have have you Magical Knight Ray Earth and Clock Work Knight 2.....one day

 

[Jamix012]

You joke but I actually know this one as well.

It's better on Saturn. The 3do version runs with an unlocked frame-rate meaning that it hits 60 fps when nothing is happening and drops straight to 30 (or lower) as soon as any action begins. It feels wildly inconsistent as a result.

Interestingly, if you run it on an emulator with over-clocking enabled you can hit 60 fps most of the time. It's just on a real 3do that it struggles.

It's 60 fps on Saturn and PSX, however. No idea how it runs on PC.

Any other esoteric comparisons you'd like? ;-)

Oh, how about D, Theme Park, Super Wing Commander, Wing Commander III or Return Fire (I guess the last three I mentioned weren't on the Saturn though)?

...I actually genuinely like to play the best version of games even if the differences are minimal.

 

[andymcc]

One day I have have you Magical Knight Ray Earth and Clock Work Knight 2.....one day

is this rare?

 

[Khaz]

Hey guys, if anyone is interested, I just found an unused universal modchip for the Saturn in my PC motherboard box.

I'll sell it for £15 inc shipping. UK only, but I may be able to ship to the US.

Got no use for it.

Shipping to France? ribbons included I suppose. I'm interested.

 

[Rich!]

Shipping to France? ribbons included I suppose. I'm interested.

Yep. And sure.

It's the V3 with both ribbon cables.

 

[Laws00]

is this rare?

It nots rare I just can't find whole copies that i'd be satisfied with paying.

Honestly I don't see myself personally paying over 30 bucks for the game while I see people trying to sell the just the loose cd of it for 30+ when i've seen it as low as $15.

But this is the age we live in retro is in and prices UP

 

[sixteen-bit]

is this rare?

I dunno if it's rare, but the NA version is kinda pricey for what the game is.

 

[FaintDeftone]

Finally joined the Saturn club today with a model two purchase with Virtua Fighter 2. It has problems outputting video with the rf cable it came with, but that only happens in in game menus, but not during actual gameplay. I'm pretty sure it's just my TV being janky with rf since it doesn't happen on the other TV I tested it with.

Also, Virtua Fighter 2 is another reminder that I have no idea what I'm doing whenever I play fighting games.

Like Teknoman said, the Saturn REALLY needs an composite cable. I was running mine off of an RF switch for the longest time and it was awful. Luckily, both Amazon and eBay sells composite and s-video cables at reasonable prices. I picked one up for around $8 with shipping a few years back.

I have found recently that Saturn games are very hard to come by in second hand shops. Folks price-gouge the hell out of Saturn games online. I've been trying to hunt down a copy of Die Hard Arcade for a few years now and most online auctions sell disc only.

 

[sixteen-bit]

Like Teknoman said, the Saturn REALLY needs an composite cable. I was running mine off of an RF switch for the longest time and it was awful. Luckily, both Amazon and eBay sells composite and s-video cables at reasonable prices. I picked one up for around $8 with shipping a few years back.

Not that it concerns me (#TeamRGB) but about those $9 Saturn combo Composite / S-video cables... does it just output composite video through the S-video connection as well? I've heard about other 3rd party combo cables doing that with SNES.

I remember about a year ago the proper 1st party Saturn S-Video cables were selling for $60-$70+, lol.

 

[FaintDeftone]

Not that it concerns me (#TeamRGB) but about those $9 Saturn combo Composite / S-video cables... does it just output composite video through the S-video connection as well? I've heard about other 3rd party combo cables doing that with SNES.

I remember about a year ago the proper 1st party Saturn S-Video cables were selling for $60-$70+, lol.

Sadly, they do not. At least the one I purchased didn't.

 

[Khaz]

Yep. And sure.

It's the V3 with both ribbon cables.

That's cool, I guess we'll do that via PM now.

 

[Sixfortyfive]

Not that it concerns me (#TeamRGB) but about those $9 Saturn combo Composite / S-video cables... does it just output composite video through the S-video connection as well? I've heard about other 3rd party combo cables doing that with SNES.

I remember about a year ago the proper 1st party Saturn S-Video cables were selling for $60-$70+, lol.

Man I don't remember where I got my S-video cables or how much I paid, but I know it wasn't half of that. And it was within the last year, too.

(Also, anyone want an official RGB cable for $20 + shipping?)

Sadly, they do not. At least the one I purchased didn't.

I think you misunderstood the question.

 

[sixteen-bit]

Man I don't remember where I got my S-video cables or how much I paid, but I know it wasn't half of that. And it was within the last year, too.

(Also, anyone want an official RGB cable for $20 + shipping?)


I think you misunderstood the question.

I know hibachi got his s-video cable on rakuten for about $22 but ebay listings were thrice that.

 

[Shadow Hog]

It nots rare I just can't find whole copies that i'd be satisfied with paying.

Honestly I don't see myself personally paying over 30 bucks for the game while I see people trying to sell the just the loose cd of it for 30+ when i've seen it as low as $15.

But this is the age we live in retro is in and prices UP

Jesus. I remember paying $30 for CIB copies of Clockwork Knight 2 and Panzer Dragoon Zwei in the same auction (was really only after CK2, Zwei was merely a very fortunate bonus). Now it's that on its own, disc-only? Figures.

Sadly, they do not. At least the one I purchased didn't.

No, "sadly" would be if the S-Video cables did only output Composite. Then you'd be gaining jackshit for upgrading to said S-Video cable.