Hazelhurst
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Mario Kart 8 is beautiful.
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veritassin
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Lighting has nothing to do with the style. The Wii wasn't capable of that kind of lighting. Anti-grav gimmick has nothing to do with style.
Obviously the lower resolution doesn't help, but it's the same style (obviously) with more processing power. Obviously there are more details and things that the Wii was incapable of pulling off.
LurkerPrime
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I don't own MK8 (yet) but from everything I've seen, it's the little details that make it beautiful. That Luigi Death Stare business was a direct result of the game's attention to beauty.
Yes, it does!
Yes, it does!
Deputy Moonman
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Depends on the track. I notice jaggies mainly on the retro rainbow road course when hugging the inside edge of curves in the track.
you should try to compare actual game screenshots... not screenshot vs promo art.
Solid Samus
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You're not even trying with these halfass oneliner responses. That image comparison is a joke and to a discerning eye would only back up what I've been saying. And the Anti-Grav gimmick has a lot to do with style when it influences the track designs and the types of places these tracks can take you within the context of their design.
seriously, here's an actual screenshot from the game
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and if you think that's stylistically identical or even only a power bump away from being identical then jeez I think you're just being cynical for the sake of it
it's similar! They've both got karts and colors and Mario and castle and shit
but there's plenty of artistic differences there that end in two very different looking products despite some surface similarities
and that's well before we get into any of Mario Kart 8's more bombastic courses.
Have you played the game?
seriously, here's an actual screenshot from the game
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and if you think that's stylistically identical or even only a power bump away from being identical then jeez I think you're just being cynical for the sake of it
it's similar! They've both got karts and colors and Mario and castle and shit
but there's plenty of artistic differences there that end in two very different looking products despite some surface similarities
and that's well before we get into any of Mario Kart 8's more bombastic courses.
Have you played the game?
veritassin
Banned
Sorry, the game doesn't look significantly different from that does it?
Better?
@xtalarge- One liner responses? Excuse me? You asked for a comparison I gave you one. It doesn't show any changes in style beyond what is added with more processing power.
Yes I have played the game. It's the exact same style since Mario 64.
this is sarcasm right?
The improved technical prowess of the console allows the "style" of Mario Kart to flourish. It's a "greater than the sum of its parts" kind of thing. Obviously Mario looks like Mario, but the gestalt of the game is blissfully majestic, and its contrast to previous iterations in the series is huge.
it's hard to make justice to Mario Kart 8 just with screenshots.
the graphically "wow" moments of the game usually hit you in motion, with the combination of gameplay, music, animations, details, lighting effects, etc.
maybe videos are a better way to show that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h16c0YIWlXc
no offense veritassin, but it sounds like you haven't actually played the game.
the graphically "wow" moments of the game usually hit you in motion, with the combination of gameplay, music, animations, details, lighting effects, etc.
maybe videos are a better way to show that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h16c0YIWlXc
no offense veritassin, but it sounds like you haven't actually played the game.
veritassin
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Of course it allows it to flourish, doesn't mean it's significantly different at its core. You would hope that a new mario kart on a new next gen system would look better than the one on the previous console.
Solid Samus
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Usually when I'm thinking 'image comparison' I'm thinking something like a varied selection of screens at native resolution (or something near it) compared, not a single screen compared against promo art
I just don't see how it could be argued that these games are identical stylistically. They're so not.
And if you honestly earnestly think that then this discussion is utterly pointless and I'm totally out of here
LMAO
I just don't see how it could be argued that these games are identical stylistically. They're so not.
And if you honestly earnestly think that then this discussion is utterly pointless and I'm totally out of here
LMAO
PseudoViper
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For a Nintendo game yes
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yep, not that amazing...
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yep, not that amazing...
veritassin
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I'm sorry but the promo art just looked a little better than the in-game shot you provided. Thanks for all the comparisons that really illustrate my point though.
I do. I'm not saying it's necessarily bad, it's definitely instantly recognizable that's for sure.
Deputy Moonman
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Take out fire hopping as well..
TheSpaceBetween
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Agreed completely. The sheer volume and diversity of environments alone make Tropical Freeze more impressive overall than MK8 from an artistic standpoint imo.
Yes, they are good, but I don't see how DK's are goofy and over the top and MK's aren't. Plus in MK8, due to the nature of the game, you never really get to see those animations during gameplay. When people talk about MK8 and how great it looks, the majority of the screenshots and footage are those cinematic angles to show off the animations and graphics. But that does very little for me personally as that isn't stuff you see during gameplay (not that it doesn't look and animate great while your playing... It certainly does.)
Solid Samus
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Eeeeh... I can sorta see what you're saying. I'm hesitant to call any of the console MKs identical in terms of style though because they all have their own fairly distinct quirks to their look. If you took MK DD and MK Wii and made them 1080p with Mario Kart 8's lighting I'd still be able to tell them apart literally instantly because of how differently characters animate, the type of saturated/gourad look on bg textures, the shapes and style of the objects around me, etc.
MK8's Mushroom Cup of all cups somehow manages to outdo most of the cups in terms of wow factor. Nevermind Thwomp Ruins, you get that fireworks and crowd reaction in Mario Kart Stadium, the colorful blend of amusement park and candy colored submersion in Water Park, and pausing at every frame to marvel at all the background details of Sweet Sweet Canyon.
I kinda get what you mean... yes, it's the same "style" in the sense that it's Mario-ish and cartoony... but even sharing the same visual style, there's a world of difference between a N64 track and a N64 track on MK8.
just look at this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocBS9GgJSWQ
same style or not, it's not the point of the thread, MK8 is gorgeous.
James Scott
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Yeah, surprised to see DK pop up in this thread as much as it has. It's (for me) one of Nintendo's least impressive retail HD titles to date outside of the party stuff and NSMBU
yeah that's a good point. and idk, there's something about the Donkey Kong animations that just seem a little too obvious, if that's the right word. like you'll hit an enemy and they'll get big googly eyes and turn to the screen before they die. stuff like that. I'm not even sure if that actually happens in the game, I'd have to not be at work to give a better example haha but I think you can kind of see my point from that.
MrOogieBoogie
BioShock Infinite is like playing some homeless guy's vivid imagination
Mario Kart 8 is the most beautiful and interesting looking game released this gen for me. It isn't even a contest really. I stopped playing video games for almost eight months because everything looked boring to me. I had zero intentions of ever getting a Wii U. Was always set on a PS4. Mario Kart 8 comes along and its beauty just grabbed me and hasn't let go. It's the only game I play right now and it never gets old (the gameplay OR the visuals).
Ya, the game is great looking. I did notice though, that depending on what TV I play MK8 on I see a hell of a lot more jaggies. When I play MK8 on newer my 240hz TV's the game looks great, with the jaggies being very minimal, when I play it on my older regular 1080p TV the jaggies are bad looking. I mean, I realize a good HD TV can make a fairly large difference, but never in a game before post 16 bit games, did I notice such a large difference, where the quality of the TV mattered.
The core design is similar to the Mario pedigree/culture that Nintendo has successfully illustrated through three decades. But being visually consistent doesn't prevent distinction elsewhere. Hence the reason that players recognize differences as *apparently* subtle as LoZ: OoT to MM. A number of factors, including the world design, narrative design and visual quality all contribute to the distinctions, and it is completely fair to say one is stylistically different from the other.
Captain Europe
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That's because they're not. Anyone claiming otherwise doesn't really understand what style is.
Having the sharpness and contrast too high definitely accentuates jaggies.
It's weird to me that out of all the jaggy-as-hell AAA games out there, MK8 is getting singled out. GTA V and TLOU are much worse on the jaggies front.
(To be fair, I've only played for about 30 min, so maybe it'll be more apparent as I play more.)
I know this post is from the first page, but making it 1080p wouldn't magically remove the jaggies. There's just no AA solution at all.
A good looking game is good looking, whether it's on Wii U or PS4 or DS or Atari 2600.
That there are rendering techniques available on greater hardware does not preclude lesser hardware from producing pleasing visuals. If the highest technical standard was the only venue in which visuals could be called "good", then anything less than a Radeon R9 290 would be garbage. That includes PS4 and Xbox 1, whose GPUs pale in comparison to such a card. The numerous resolution, framerate, and rendering compromises seen in PS4/X1 games already this generation show as much.
Obviously that's a ridiculous viewpoint, though, and Mario Kart 8 looks good, as do other Wii U games (and 3DS games, and DS games, and Atari 2600 games).
That there are rendering techniques available on greater hardware does not preclude lesser hardware from producing pleasing visuals. If the highest technical standard was the only venue in which visuals could be called "good", then anything less than a Radeon R9 290 would be garbage. That includes PS4 and Xbox 1, whose GPUs pale in comparison to such a card. The numerous resolution, framerate, and rendering compromises seen in PS4/X1 games already this generation show as much.
Obviously that's a ridiculous viewpoint, though, and Mario Kart 8 looks good, as do other Wii U games (and 3DS games, and DS games, and Atari 2600 games).
TheSpaceBetween
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Because for many, art direction trumps technical proficiency and it is easy to see why people drool over TF's art direction and animation.
Maybe because GTA and TLOU have more geometric forms and details.
You risk to see them more often. I think.
Arkam
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I have to agree on this one. Yea I CAN see that it is technically inferior to a lot of games, bu DAMN does it look pretty! Been playing it a lot since release and still constantly impressed during replays.
MarkMclovin
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The jaggie comments must be coming from people taking the piss, because most games out there are far worse.
Synless
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The game is flatout fucking gorgeous. No amount of "bu bu but it has no AA" or "it's only 720p" comments are going to change that. All of my friends who all have the new current gen systems or myself think this game is impressive.
60, with the occasional skipped frame.59
No? The game doesn't use any AA.
FlashbladeGAF
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pooptacular
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I wasn't talking about GTA v or TLOU but now that I am I'd say tlou remastered looks jaggy free on my 42 inch penny plasma and my huge as shit benq w1070 projected image and I'm sure GTA V will be jaggy free on my PC with said displays.
I don't remember how jaggy those games were on ps3 however. I beat them both but the fps was bad enough that the jaggies didn't really mean shit.
Before I get shat on the jaggies don't ruin MK8 or distract at all from the dope ass gameplay. It's fun. It's just that I found that comment about calibration hilarious is all.
this should be on page 1
FlashbladeGAF
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I almost posted this in parenthesis but decided it was close enough ;p59
It is definitely rock solid in any case, which goes a long way.
This too. You see this phenomenon most prominently when comparing Wind Waker to TP or SS (all at non-emulated 480p, of course). I also observed this when playing the MGS HD collection. Jaggies are less apparent when there's less details to mangle.
IrishNinja
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damn, now i want DK! any chance of bomba prices by the holidays?