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[mo60]

Unless I'm reading this wrong, PS4 is the fastest console to reach 10m, right?

The Wii still is the fastest selling console according to what Aqua posted, but that may be hard to tell since we were only given the amount of Wii's shipped, but the amount of Wii's sold was probably really close to the amount of Wii's shipped.

 

[Markitron]

I said 2:1 would be hard to maintain and then someone goes "MS ain't nevah catching Sony" huh? When did I say catch?

Won't it be hard to maintain 2:1 with a competitor with as deep pockets as MS--a competitor that just dropped 80 mil units on its previous console? Even if MS does 65 mil with XB1, do you think it will be easy for Sony to do 130 mil? Come on now... At least read what I'm saying.

They're start is great but anything can happen from this point. Won't the XB1 selling in more markets open up the potential for more customers to buy it? Perhaps not gangbusters, but it's more than the (near) zero it is now in those markets. Surely you can see that at least?

Don't bring the hate if you don't want me to have to regulate. I don't want to continue to interrupt all the joy in hear with doses of reality, so I'll step out.

Before I do, lemme hit you with some more ratios to chew on. NA has about 500 mil consumers who bought about 3 mil XB1's so far. China has about 2.5 times that population, yes? 1:2.5 :: 3mil : ? I'm not saying its gonna happen. I'm just saying don't discount it.

You're the gift that keeps on giving. For my own amusement I hope you don't get a ban, even though you really need one

 

[Death2494]

Yes on the first question.

Last number I saw was a 600k gap for the states. For the size of the market, that isn't much of a gap.

Won't argue about momentum, PS4 certainly has it.

Go look @ SwiftDeath posts in "Microsoft 1.1 million XB1/XBOX360" thread. Xbox one sold to consumer numbers are anywhere from 4.5m -4.7 million. they were shipping, maybe, 300k a month worldwide

 

[Steroyd]

OMG that Tomb Raider gif. lmfao.

 

[metalslimer]

But PS4 has been destroying XB1 since the beginning.
Even whenever the deal was made, I feel everyone involved knew of the huge sales discrepancy.

So I really don't understand all the people saying how dumb Square or Crystal Dynamics must feel. Unless they were magically tricked into thinking Xbox had more HW sales before the deal, haha. DiscoStuChart.jpg.

Maybe projecting guilt or regret unto other people helps people feel better.

If the deal was made at the beginning of the year after the holiday the systems looked more like the PS4 would have a decent lead, but the Xbox One would sell pretty well in the Americas. The Xbox One collapsed very hard this year from the launch months.

 

[Dragonborn]

Yea they Have, I believe the shipped numbers are 5m(+ x% of 1.1m), hence I've guessed about 5m sold through, it should be somewhere near there could be + or -

When they announced 5 million shipped back in April, there were what, about 1 million units on shelves? Have they sold 1 million units since then? Well, just take NPD numbers for May-July, those probably account for 65%+ of it's sales, then use that percentage to figure out WW sales. Has it hit 5 million? Nope, very doubtful.

They're probably close, but they likely won't reach 5 million till sometime this month. Maybe last depending on how they did in NA.

Wii shipped 10m in 7-10 months. Likely closer to 7.5-8.5 judging the numbers.
The PS4 sold 10m in 8 months.

I think the PS4 is outpacing the Wii.

The Wii was having supply issues at that point. It still an entirely accurate comparison though, since the Wii was just $250.

 

[diablos991]

The Wii still is the fastest selling console according to what Aqua posted, but that may be hard to tell since we were only given the amount of Wii's shipped, but the amount of Wii's sold was probably really close to the amount of Wii's shipped.

Wii shipped 10m in 7-10 months. Likely closer to 7.5-8.5 judging the numbers.
The PS4 sold 10m in 8 months.

I think the PS4 is outpacing the Wii.

 

[Shrike_Priest]

IIRC, MS has only given out shipped numbers.

But that 5 million shipped number is old. The latest stat is 5 million shipped by April, then 1.1 million "Xbox family" shipped from April to June 30th. By that logic, 5 million sold by now would be pretty reasonable (I actually think it's probably a bit more).

However, I really liked the comparison of 2014 sales that Skeff highlighted. Because when looking at those in isolation rather than LTD, Sony are not only ahead, but pretty much KILLING it.

This place is going to be hilarious around january/february 2015. If Sony keeps at it, there'll be gloating and salt. If MS turns it around there'll be crow eating‚ and salt.

 

[Rollo Tomasi]

So is open_mouth_ really misterxmedia?

 

[SwiftDeath]

MS--a competitor that just dropped 80 mil units on its previous console? Even if MS does 65 mil with XB1, do you think it will be easy for Sony to do 130 mil? Come on now... At least read what I'm saying.

You realize Wii outsold both PS3 and 360 by around 15M or so last gen and Wii U it's successor is being argued over whether or not it will break even 20M right?

Sales one gen do not automatically dictate anything in the future

 

[teiresias]

Sony must need Christmas elves to make that many PS4s

Maybe not impossible. MS so overshipoed earlier in the year that there shipments numbers were atrocious last quarter. It wouldn't surprise me if they've vacated some manufacturing capacity that Sony could take advantage of to increase their own manufacturing capacity.

 

[Corto]

I said 2:1 would be hard to maintain and then someone goes "MS ain't nevah catching Sony" huh? When did I say catch?

Won't it be hard to maintain 2:1 with a competitor with as deep pockets as MS--a competitor that just dropped 80 mil units on its previous console? Even if MS does 65 mil with XB1, do you think it will be easy for Sony to do 130 mil? Come on now... At least read what I'm saying.

They're start is great but anything can happen from this point. Won't the XB1 selling in more markets open up the potential for more customers to buy it? Perhaps not gangbusters, but it's more than the (near) zero it is now in those markets. Surely you can see that at least?

Don't bring the hate if you don't want me to have to regulate. I don't want to continue to interrupt all the joy in hear with doses of reality, so I'll step out.

Before I do, lemme hit you with some more ratios to chew on. NA has about 500 mil consumers who bought about 3 mil XB1's so far. China has about 2.5 times that population, yes? 1:2.5 :: 3mil : ? I'm not saying its gonna happen. I'm just saying don't discount it.

This gen has an important specificity though. Both consoles have mandatory online fees. Once someone buys one it makes it a rather more difficult financial option to buy the other right after. Any advantage this early in the gen will have ripple effects all along this gen.

 

[Clefargle]

Well goddamn Sony, no fucking around huh?

 

[RoyaleDuke]

Congratulations Sony, you've won but don't get cocky.

 

[labaronx]

So how many ps4 are destiny predicted to move next month

 

[Alchemy]

But that 5 million shipped number is old. The latest stat is 5 million shipped by April, then 1.1 million "Xbox family" shipped from April to June 30th. By that logic, 5 million sold by now would be pretty reasonable (I actually think it's probably a bit more).

However, I really liked the comparison of 2014 sales that Skeff highlighted. Because when looking at those in isolation rather than LTD, Sony are not only ahead, but pretty much KILLING it.

This place is going to be hilarious around january/february 2015. If Sony keeps at it, there'll be gloating and salt. If MS turns it around there'll be crow eating‚ and salt.

They were at 5 million shipped, we don't know the Xbone's sell through numbers but it was definitely lower then 5 million. We also don't know the split on that 1.1 million between 360, Xbone, or sold through. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if the Xbone was sitting very close to 5 million sold through (plus or minus).

 

[Dragonborn]

So how many ps4 are destiny predicted to move next month

I think the PS4 will easily sell 1 million units in Sept. Maybe more.

 

[Bundy]

I said 2:1 would be hard to maintain and then someone goes "MS ain't nevah catching Sony" huh? When did I say catch?

Won't it be hard to maintain 2:1 with a competitor with as deep pockets as MS--a competitor that just dropped 80 mil units on its previous console? Even if MS does 65 mil with XB1, do you think it will be easy for Sony to do 130 mil? Come on now... At least read what I'm saying.

They're start is great but anything can happen from this point. Won't the XB1 selling in more markets open up the potential for more customers to buy it? Perhaps not gangbusters, but it's more than the (near) zero it is now in those markets. Surely you can see that at least?

Don't bring the hate if you don't want me to have to regulate. I don't want to continue to interrupt all the joy in hear with doses of reality, so I'll step out.

Before I do, lemme hit you with some more ratios to chew on. NA has about 500 mil consumers who bought about 3 mil XB1's so far. China has about 2.5 times that population, yes? 1:2.5 :: 3mil : ? I'm not saying its gonna happen. I'm just saying don't discount it.

God..... give it up already.
And stop with the "China" crap.

 

[DieH@rd]

So how many ps4 are destiny predicted to move next month

Activision boss said that:
- its the most preodered new IP in the history of video games
- PS4 is taking lion share of those preorders

It will move a lot. There is a good chance PS4 will have 1m NPD in september. However it could be lower, but looking at worldwide sales, Destiny will move a fucking lot.

 

[Mpl90]

This gen has an important specificity though. Both consoles have mandatory online fees. Once someone buys one it makes it a rather more difficult financial option to buy the other right after. Any advantage this early in the gen will have ripple effects all along this gen.

Yeah, when I saw Pachter mentioning this difference compared to prior gens, I thought "...What? Something actually *gulp* reasonable and smart coming from that mouth? Oh God, the world is ending"

 

[Mory Dunz]

If the deal was made at the beginning of the year after the holiday the systems looked more like the PS4 would have a decent lead, but the Xbox One would sell pretty well in the Americas. The Xbox One collapsed very hard this year from the launch months.

I suppose that's possible. I'm not going to claim to know when deals like this are usually struck, or how long they're made before being announced.

I guess my mind assumed it happened after TR: DE for no real reason.

But yeah, if the deal was made back then when Xbox was at least in striking distance, then I could see them regretting it a little.

But still, it's a timed exclusive. They get Microsoft money upfront and can still get PS4 and PC money depending on how long the exclusive is, quality of the game, steam, etc.

 

[labaronx]

I think the PS4 will easily sell 1 million units in Sept. Maybe more.

Wow really

 

[duessano]

Kaz in his office must be thinking:

 

[Mpl90]

1 million in September WW, due to Destiny? Without Japan, it's a bit difficult, but not impossible.
1 million in September NPD, a.k.a. just in the US? That sounds like a dream, not something based on reality XD

 

[kabel]

God..... give it up already.
And stop with the "China" crap.

Yes, his China argument is foolish.
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Ch...-PS4-With-57-Vote-Xbox-One-With-11-66406.html

 

[Into]

Won't it be hard to maintain 2:1 with a competitor with as deep pockets as MS--a competitor that just dropped 80 mil units on its previous console?

You mean like the deep pockets they had with OG Xbox and barely beat a clueless Nintendo? I like how you say "dropped 80 mili yo" as if 80 million consoles sold is some record. Sony sold over 100 million PSX's and over 150 million PS2s and the PS3 is at 80+ million, their least successful home console, sold as much as Microsoft biggest success, despite all the "deep pockets".

Even if MS does 65 mil with XB1, do you think it will be easy for Sony to do 130 mil? Come on now... At least read what I'm saying.

The current trajectory that XB1 is selling at, it wont do 65 million, it might do N64 numbers or slightly above.

They're start is great but anything can happen from this point.

Actually no, anything cannot just "happen" out of thin air. In this industry, when a product sets a trajectory, it tends to follow that trajectory. Very few products make a massive turnaround, the only example is the PSP in Japan when Monster Hunter became big, and that was solely designated to one region only.

Won't the XB1 selling in more markets open up the potential for more customers to buy it? Perhaps not gangbusters, but it's more than the (near) zero it is now in those markets. Surely you can see that at least?

The same markets that ignored the Xbox and Xbox 360 are today going to carry the console? 360 that "dropped 80 mili yo" as you claimed, sold most of those products in NA and UK.

Don't bring the hate if you don't want me to have to regulate.

Stop trolling, this forum and the people here both users and mods deserve more respect than this lame GameFaqs shit.

Before I do, lemme hit you with some more ratios to chew on. NA has about 500 mil consumers who bought about 3 mil XB1's so far. China has about 2.5 times that population, yes? 1:2.5 :: 3mil : ? I'm not saying its gonna happen. I'm just saying don't discount it.

Yep, you are just trolling. I wasted my time even replying to you.

 

[labaronx]

Activision boss said that:
- its the most preodered new IP in the history of video games
- PS4 is taking lion share of those preorders

It will move a lot. There is a good chance PS4 will have 1m NPD in september. However it could be lower, but looking at worldwide sales, Destiny will move a fucking lot.

Wow I had no idea...

Guess the ps4 association with the game paid off for Sony

 

[diablos991]

Yes, his China argument is foolish.
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Ch...-PS4-With-57-Vote-Xbox-One-With-11-66406.html

According to that pole the XBone barely beat out the Vita and Vita TV.

heh

 

[idlewild_]

Wow really

It is moving 700-800k per month WW, so a jump to 1m+ for September seems possible.

 

[Kemal86]

If there is a god, hopefully it won't even chart.

would you say you hope it will be

uncharted

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

PS4 20 million by the end of the year?

 

[nynt9]

I said 2:1 would be hard to maintain and then someone goes "MS ain't nevah catching Sony" huh? When did I say catch?

Won't it be hard to maintain 2:1 with a competitor with as deep pockets as MS--a competitor that just dropped 80 mil units on its previous console? Even if MS does 65 mil with XB1, do you think it will be easy for Sony to do 130 mil? Come on now... At least read what I'm saying.

They're start is great but anything can happen from this point. Won't the XB1 selling in more markets open up the potential for more customers to buy it? Perhaps not gangbusters, but it's more than the (near) zero it is now in those markets. Surely you can see that at least?

Don't bring the hate if you don't want me to have to regulate. I don't want to continue to interrupt all the joy in hear with doses of reality, so I'll step out.

Before I do, lemme hit you with some more ratios to chew on. NA has about 500 mil consumers who bought about 3 mil XB1's so far. China has about 2.5 times that population, yes? 1:2.5 :: 3mil : ? I'm not saying its gonna happen. I'm just saying don't discount it.

You know PS4 is coming to China too, right? And polls indicate that China cares more about PS4 than XB1:

http://www.idigitaltimes.com/articles/24298/20140812/ps4-beating-xbox-one-china-poll-opens.htm

According to a recent poll on Game.163, a Chinese gaming site, the PS4 currently has the edge, with a whopping 57% to 11% lead.

The poll is hardly scientific, but Cinemablend cites several other company's research that seems to indicate that China belongs to Sony and the PS4.

 

[Markitron]

Yep, you are just trolling. I wasted my time even replying to you.

This was my thought whilst reading your post, your sensible arguments are wasted on someone with such a proven long-term bias.

What number did the N64 land on btw? I always assumed it was roughly 30m?

 

[Zeuanimals]

I said 2:1 would be hard to maintain and then someone goes "MS ain't nevah catching Sony" huh? When did I say catch?

Won't it be hard to maintain 2:1 with a competitor with as deep pockets as MS--a competitor that just dropped 80 mil units on its previous console? Even if MS does 65 mil with XB1, do you think it will be easy for Sony to do 130 mil? Come on now... At least read what I'm saying.

Are those the same deep pockets that allowed MS to create a more powerful console that appeals to more than just the US? Or own and support more studios?

I'm not ruling out MS getting half or a bit more than half of the marketshare that Sony's going to get, but "deep pockets" won't do anything for MS if they don't use it correctly.

They're start is great but anything can happen from this point. Won't the XB1 selling in more markets open up the potential for more customers to buy it? Perhaps not gangbusters, but it's more than the (near) zero it is now in those markets. Surely you can see that at least?

They're already available in many of those markets from being imported or they can be imported personally. In markets where it is available, it's not doing very well, especially in Europe. It's 3:1 in some countries and I believe 6:1 in Spain. Do you really think other countries with a similar disposition for Playstation over Xbox are going to adopt more Xbox Ones over PS4s? Not unless Fifa and maybe even PES go exclusive on the Xbox One.

Don't bring the hate if you don't want me to have to regulate. I don't want to continue to interrupt all the joy in hear with doses of reality, so I'll step out.

Before I do, lemme hit you with some more ratios to chew on. NA has about 500 mil consumers who bought about 3 mil XB1's so far. China has about 2.5 times that population, yes? 1:2.5 :: 3mil : ? I'm not saying its gonna happen. I'm just saying don't discount it.

And China? Really? Isn't the PS4 supposed to release in China? And isn't it supposedly receiving much more positive buzz in China?

 

[Bundy]

PS4 hit 10M 2 days ago

After their latest "count" (as we could say) it was "over 10mio." on August 10th.

 

[labaronx]

It is moving 700-800k per month WW, so a jump to 1m+ for September seems possible.

I see so 18 to 20 million by 2015 seems possible now

 

[coldone]

Sony hasn't even unleashed its heavy hitters yet

God of war
Gran turismo
Uncharted

I just dont think they have plans to really un-leash any thing. I wont be surprised if we get GT6: Definitive Edition on PS4 than a true GT7 next year.

They are going to be happy porting older games like Journey, Flower, Flow or what ever they can re-package. Re-cycle, Re-furbish, Re-re-what-ever is the mantra with Sony now.

MS did the same with 360 last couple of years and it still sold well. It all seems to be about 3rd party games, which ever console runs 3rd party games like COD, Madden, FIFA well; wins the race.

 

[Dragonborn]

1 million in September WW, due to Destiny? Without Japan, it's a bit difficult, but not impossible.
1 million in September NPD, a.k.a. just in the US? That sounds like a dream, not something based on reality XD

Yes, to be clear I meant 1 million WW. Maybe maybe more. I'm thinking for some reason I'm thinking 450k NPD/ 600k Outside NA. What's the current install base in NA?

 

[Copenap]

Damn open_mouth_, talk about a train wreck...

I'm really curious about the sales until the end of year with quite a few big releases and the holiday period. Wouldn't be surprised at all if it's just about how many PS4s Sony is able to put on shelves.

 

[Amir0x]

I said 2:1 would be hard to maintain and then someone goes "MS ain't nevah catching Sony" huh? When did I say catch?

Won't it be hard to maintain 2:1 with a competitor with as deep pockets as MS--a competitor that just dropped 80 mil units on its previous console? Even if MS does 65 mil with XB1, do you think it will be easy for Sony to do 130 mil? Come on now... At least read what I'm saying.

So what is your point? That it's going to get trounced, but maybe slightly less so? Congrats on that sterling prediction right there. You're a regular Nostradamus. Also, previous console install bases mean nothing if a product is fundamentally unappealing to people or a poor value. I thought Sony would have taught you that.

They're start is great but anything can happen from this point. Won't the XB1 selling in more markets open up the potential for more customers to buy it? Perhaps not gangbusters, but it's more than the (near) zero it is now in those markets. Surely you can see that at least?

Yes, obviously entering more markets means they will sell more than a non-zero amount of new consoles in said market. However, given the actual sales distribution likely in said new markets, your point makes no sense. It is literally going to hardly even put an incremental dent into the gap Sony has right now. That's how little those territories mean for Microsoft, because of how much Sony dominates them.

Don't bring the hate if you don't want me to have to regulate. I don't want to continue to interrupt all the joy in hear with doses of reality, so I'll step out.

Before I do, lemme hit you with some more ratios to chew on. NA has about 500 mil consumers who bought about 3 mil XB1's so far. China has about 2.5 times that population, yes? 1:2.5 :: 3mil : ? I'm not saying its gonna happen. I'm just saying don't discount it.

LMFAO

Literal tears. "Don't hate if you don't want me to regulate", comparing China sales market to America's? Good christ. I fear for you in the future open Mouth when you have to deal with the reality that it never happened for XBO.

 

[Corto]

People talking about Tomb Raider exclusivity don't need to feel sorry for CD. They'll have the proper compensation for this deal. And will release the game on PS4 and PC at some point. I would love that someone leaked the amount MS paid for it though I reckon it would he impossible to give an exact amount as co marketing would be included.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

I just dont think they have plans to really un-leash any thing. I wont be surprised if we get GT6: Definitive Edition on PS4 than a true GT7 next year.

They are going to be happy porting older games like Journey, Flower, Flow or what ever they can re-package. Re-cycle, Re-furbish, Re-re-what-ever is the mantra with Sony now.

MS did the same with 360 last couple of years and it still sold well. It all seems to be about 3rd party games, which ever console runs 3rd party games like COD, Madden, FIFA well; wins the race.

And with owners new to the Playstation ecosystem, I would guess that the recycling is going to do even better than the 360 recycling did. Maybe not, but it seems likely.

 

[Dragonborn]

I just dont think they have plans to really un-leash any thing. I wont be surprised if we get GT6: Definitive Edition on PS4 than a true GT7 next year.

They are going to be happy porting older games like Journey, Flower, Flow or what ever they can re-package. Re-cycle, Re-furbish, Re-re-what-ever is the mantra with Sony now.

MS did the same with 360 last couple of years and it still sold well. It all seems to be about 3rd party games, which ever console runs 3rd party games like COD, Madden, FIFA well; wins the race.

So you honestly believe all of Sony's many studios are simply, what, sitting on their hands doing nothing? Why is it so many people seem to think like this?

 

[SDCowboy]

Yes, to be clear I meant 1 million WW. Maybe maybe more. I'm thinking for some reason I'm thinking 450k NPD/ 600k Outside NA. What's the current install base in NA?

I think 400k-ish is pretty fair for the US.

 

[ethomaz]

I'm expecting 500k for NPD September...

Yeap over 1 million WW will be easy... I'm guessing more in 1.2m.

 

[Loto]

I wonder if this large install base has any bearing Dragon Quest XI.

 

[sn00zer]

When is the EA presser?

 

[Portugeezer]

When is the EA presser?

Tomorrow... maybe early enough in the US for US people to stay up, but why stay up for the EA presser?

 

[Boke1879]

I think that we can assume with the launch of Destiny next month Sony will also sell around 1 million consoles worldwide with the bundle. I think with word of mouth Sony can carry that momentum into October. Big releases that month.

Sony would be also wise to do a GTAV PS4 bundle as well for the holidays. I say Destiny, PS4 and LB3 bundles this holiday for Sony and we could easily be looking at 15-17 million by years end.

Then early next year we have Batman, The Order, Witcher and Bloodborne. Sony really could carry this train all the way until early spring.

 

[labaronx]

I just dont think they have plans to really un-leash any thing. I wont be surprised if we get GT6: Definitive Edition on PS4 than a true GT7 next year.

They are going to be happy porting older games like Journey, Flower, Flow or what ever they can re-package. Re-cycle, Re-furbish, Re-re-what-ever is the mantra with Sony now.

MS did the same with 360 last couple of years and it still sold well. It all seems to be about 3rd party games, which ever console runs 3rd party games like COD, Madden, FIFA well; wins the race.

I just don't believe that... yeah maybe sony might be hesitant about a new motorstorm (with driveclub engine drools) but I dont feel they wont release new versions of the games listed