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[Jeels]

Congrats Sony for doing this so fast. Hopefully it means developers start to transition into developing next gen exclusives.

 

[FlyStarJay]

Congratulations to everyone at SCEI and SCE Worldwide Studios.

PS4 Installbase:

2 days - November 16th, 2013 - 1 million
17 days - December 1st, 2013 - 2.1 million
1 month, 14 days - December 28th, 2013 - 4.2 million
2 months, 25 days - February 8th, 2014 - 5.3 million
3 months, 16 days - March 2nd, 2014 - 6.0 million
4 months, 23 days - April 6th, 2014 - 7.0 million
8 months, 29? days - August 12th?, 2014 - 10.0 million

Its august 10, according to the gamespot link. Sony sent out a PR

 

[Hoo-doo]

Every single one of my predictions either has come true in some shape or form or was based on sound enough reasoning where the likelihood of it happening was nearly as feasible as it not happening so continue finding the most popular bandwagon to jump on instead of opening your eyes to the possibilities out there.

I'd go into more detail now but the ferocity with which I'm typing this servage into my phone is making the old lady on the train sitting next to me nervous.

A wise man once said, Be careful what old threads you dig up 'cause you just might get buried.

Time for you to leave the thread, hun. You're only making it easier to get mocked.

I'm serious. It's not worth getting banned over.

 

[ethomaz]

those wii numbers are just insane, will anything top the wiis first two years again?

It is shipped to be fair.

And Sony was ahead in shipment at end of June (the Wii point)... so it is not that accurate. PS4 is still tracking ahead it in sales because 10 million sold can me over 10.5 million shipped but Wii will pass it sometime in the next months.

The situation is that.

Jun 30: Wii 9,27m shipped
Aug 10: PS4 here at 10m sold (probably > 10.5 shipped)
Sep 30: Wii 13.17m shipped

 

[Dredd97]

Every single one of my predictions either has come true in some shape or form or was based on sound enough reasoning where the likelihood of it happening was nearly as feasible as it not happening so continue finding the most popular bandwagon to jump on instead of opening your eyes to the possibilities out there.

I'd go into more detail now but the ferocity with which I'm typing this servage into my phone is making the old lady on the train sitting next to me nervous.

A wise man once said, Be careful what old threads you dig up 'cause you just might get buried.

you know I thought trolling was a bannable offence around these parts....

 

[silva1991]

open_mouth_
insert_foot_

lool

 

[darkwing]

Next Announcement by Sony on January 6th, 2015

PS4 install base crossed 20 million.

How likely?

Sony must need Christmas elves to make that many PS4s

 

[DieH@rd]

How much the xbone sold trough?

Good luck getting that info. MS is not giving it.

 

[Philly40]

Is there anyone here who works in logistics who can guess a figure for the 'shipped' figures to date?

Even if we assume the 10 million'th PS4 sold to a customer some time today before the press conference, how many extra consoles are likely to be on container ships sailing the wide oceans, and how many in distributor's warehouses and retailer's stockrooms.

 

[FuturusX]

open_mouth_ post if you're okay.

To be fair he wasn't the only one predicting big things for the Xbox One after that reveal how anybody could predict a sales victory is beyond me.

 

[coldone]

Nope, the Wii was a one of a kind revolution. Plus it launched super cheap and tapped into a market that normally didn't game. There won't be another Wii, but it's possible the PS4 ends up selling more than it, it'll just take longer.

I dont think PS4 will have that long legs. Unless Morpheus or some thing else catches up.

If it is going to be Indie, low budget games.. Apple TV, Android TV and other cheap micro consoles will eat PS4 lunch sooner or latter. Especially with new A53/A57 processors from Qualcom, Apple, it will be lot easier for Indie, Free to play games to run on micro consoles.

 

[Netherscourge]

That's pretty hot.

I need help, don't I?

 

[BlackBuzzard]

How much the xbone sold trough?

There is a reason Microsoft isn't giving that info and going bunduru crazy this holiday.

 

[TheDangerMan]

Congrats to Sony - great to see news like this.

 

[Ethelwulf]

"History has shown us that the first company to reach 10 million in console sales wins the generation battle." -Don Mattrick, 2008 (via Gamespot). In all seriousness, congrats to Sony!

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Every single one of my predictions either has come true in some shape or form or was based on sound enough reasoning where the likelihood of it happening was nearly as feasible as it not happening so continue finding the most popular bandwagon to jump on instead of opening your eyes to the possibilities out there.

I'd go into more detail now but the ferocity with which I'm typing this servage into my phone is making the old lady on the train sitting next to me nervous.

A wise man once said, Be careful what old threads you dig up 'cause you just might get buried.

This could be astroladding to the max.

 

[Azull]

Every single one of my predictions either has come true in some shape or form or was based on sound enough reasoning where the likelihood of it happening was nearly as feasible as it not happening so continue finding the most popular bandwagon to jump on instead of opening your eyes to the possibilities out there.

I'd go into more detail now but the ferocity with which I'm typing this servage into my phone is making the old lady on the train sitting next to me nervous.

A wise man once said, Be careful what old threads you dig up 'cause you just might get buried.

Keep at it buddy...

 

[1st Course]

I know they're ugly, but I wanted to emphasize the lines are interpolated. Also, the Xbox One has a +/- 550k error. (sorry for the color blind)



Calendar year, end of 2014.

Yep, Wii U is a beast

Spoiler

hahaha fixed the mistake, thanks

Incredible how the XB1 sales just completely collapsed after holidays.

 

[Bunta]

Every single one of my predictions either has come true in some shape or form or was based on sound enough reasoning where the likelihood of it happening was nearly as feasible as it not happening so continue finding the most popular bandwagon to jump on instead of opening your eyes to the possibilities out there.

I'd go into more detail now but the ferocity with which I'm typing this servage into my phone is making the old lady on the train sitting next to me nervous.

A wise man once said, Be careful what old threads you dig up 'cause you just might get buried.

Okay, you must be joking at this point. Right?

 

[vpance]

Geez, I CANNOT wait to see TR be below #5 (or maybe lower depending on the releases that month) on the NPD charts its launch month. Will be great!!!

If there is a god, hopefully it won't even chart.

 

[ethomaz]

Is there anyone here who works in logistics who can guess a figure for the 'shipped' figures to date?

Even if we assume the 10 million'th PS4 sold to a customer some time today before the press conference, how many extra consoles are likely to be on container ships sailing the wide oceans, and how many in distributor's warehouses and retailer's stockrooms.

I was guessing 10.5m if there are some supply issue.

But thinking better now Destiny will be out soon... so Sony is already shipping for it... that means minimum of 11 million shipped.

1 million on shelves seems ok for this time of the year.

My guesses.

 

[sörine]

PS2 would beat it, Wii is hard to say, but i would say it also beat it slightly.
But keep in mind that this is all based on the (unlikely) assumption that the PS4 hit 10 million today, cause we don't know the real date.
Also the PS2 and Wii numbers are shipments, while the PS4 number is sold to consumers.
So the shipment numbers are higher (comparing launch aligned shipments i would strongly guess PS2>PS4>Wii).

Even more confusing the PS2 numbers would be "production shipments" which is something whose definition I still can't totally figure out.

I agree with your shipment (sell-in) ranking though. PS4 no longer being supply constrained in most major markets means shipments are probably a good bit north of 10 million now. Wii may still be ahead for sell-though though.

GBA Shipments

11 days (one territory) - March 31st, 2001 - 1.06 million
6 months, 10 days - September 30th, 2001 - 9.57 million
1 year, 11 days - March 31st, 2002 - 18.16 million
1 year, 6 months, 10 days - September 30th, 2002 - 23.95 million
2 years, 11 days - March 31st, 2003 - 31.70 million


DS Shipments

1 month, 11 days - December 31st, 2004 - 2.84 million
4 months, 11 days - March 31st, 2005 - 5.26 million
7 months, 10 days - June 30th, 2005 - 6.65 million
10 months, 10 days - September 30th, 2005 - 8.84 million
1 year, 1 month, 11 days - December 31st, 2005 - 14.43 million


PSP Shipments

3 months, 20 days - March 31st, 2005 - 2.97 million
9 months, 19 days - September 30th, 2005 - 8.81 million
1 year, 20 days - December 31st, 2005 - 15.03 million
1 year, 3 months, 20 days - March 31st, 2006 - 17.03 million
1 year, 6 months, 19 days - June 30th, 2006 - 19.05 million


3DS Shipments

1 month, 6 days - March 31st, 2011 - 3.61 million
4 months, 5 days - June 30th, 2011 - 4.32 million
7 months, 5 days - September 30th, 2011 - 6.68 million
10 months, 6 days - December 31st, 2011 - 15.03 million
1 year, 1 month, 6 days - March 31st, 2012 - 17.13 million


If you look at the current LTD of historical systems, it can be a bit deceptive.

For example, the GBA was ridiculously popular...the reason it's not at DS level is because Nintendo abandoned it so quickly due to the PSP.

Other systems that ended up selling a massive amount of units (like the PS1) had a very slow launch, but continued to maintain sales momentum for many years.


Keep in mind that PS4 is a $399 console. GBA launched in North America at $99, DS launched at $149, PSP launched at $249, and 3DS launched at $249 but dropped down to $169 quickly.

So, for a home console, the the PS4 is doing EXCEPTIONALLY well for its first 9 months. Let's see how well Sony will maintain its momentum in the years to come.

Thank you again! You always bring the best data Aqua.

Looks like only GBA managed to beat PS4 so far.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

I think we have a winner

 

[GeneralArrow]

This is impressive, glad to see Sony doing so well. I don't like to see businesses fail generally. Rumor has it there camera technology is going to be in the iPhone 6 as well. Bodes well for them it seems. I know the PS4 will be in my hands soon enough.

 

[Dinjooh]

To be fair he wasn't the only one predicting big things for the Xbox One after that reveal how anybody could predict a sales victory is beyond me.

Last year around E3 several of my PlayStation only friends were sure that MS would have total dominance this gen.

This year has been fun.

 

[Nyoro SF]

Every single one of my predictions either has come true in some shape or form or was based on sound enough reasoning where the likelihood of it happening was nearly as feasible as it not happening so continue finding the most popular bandwagon to jump on instead of opening your eyes to the possibilities out there.

I'd go into more detail now but the ferocity with which I'm typing this servage into my phone is making the old lady on the train sitting next to me nervous.

A wise man once said, Be careful what old threads you dig up 'cause you just might get buried.

His foot has now reached his large intestine.

 

[Corto]

Don't read too much into these 10 million sales in 9 months. They mean nothing long term.

Spoiler

just chanelling Ars Technica here

 

[kabel]

That's pretty hot.

I need help, don't I?

You're ok.

 

[ethomaz]

Curiosity.

It is close to the same sales gap showed by 360 and PS3 in 2006.

Spoiler

Hint: PS3 was not released yet.

 

[Viruz]

Good luck getting that info. MS is not giving it.

mmh I guess less than 6M.

 

[AstroNut325]

To be fair he wasn't the only one predicting big things for the Xbox One after that reveal how anybody could predict a sales victory is beyond me.

Yup. The media and developers at large were predicting a sweeping victory for MS. To see so much crow being eaten by the gaming industry at large is something I've truly grateful for.

 

[Mooreberg]

Incredible, could the sales momentum actually increase in 2015 when are the heavy hitters from 1st and 3rd party release??

Seems possible if they have a price drop for the second half of the year. All of the delayed games into earlier next year should keep momentum going at current price. $299 at E3 next year would bring in a lot of people who will be hitting year five or six of PS3/360 ownership.

Unless next fall is somehow even worse for software delays, calendar year '15 should be big.

 

[BGMNTS]

As impressive as that is, some context would be nice. Competitor sales etc.

 

[Skeff]

So as a rough estimate we can say:

XB1 ~5m sold through
PS4 >10m sold through

2013:

XB1 3m sold through
PS4 4.2 sold through

2014:

XB1 ~2m sold through
PS4 ~6m sold through

PS4 is outselling XB1 roughly 3:1 WW this year... That's gotta be a bad read over at MS HQ.

 

[metalslimer]

As impressive as that is, some context would be nice. Competitor sales etc.

There are shipment comparisons in this very thread.

 

[Sword Of Doom]

Amazing

 

[FuturusX]

So as a rough estimate we can say:

XB1 ~5m sold through
PS4 >10m sold through

2013:

XB1 3m sold through
PS4 4.2 sold through

2014:

XB1 ~2m sold through
PS4 ~6m sold through

PS4 is outselling XB1 roughly 3:1 WW this year... That's gotta be a bad read over at MS HQ.

I see a price cut in our future.

 

[Zombie James]

So as a rough estimate we can say:

XB1 ~5m sold through
PS4 >10m sold through

2013:

XB1 3m sold through
PS4 4.2 sold through

2014:

XB1 ~2m sold through
PS4 ~6m sold through

PS4 is outselling XB1 roughly 3:1 WW this year... That's gotta be a bad read over at MS HQ.

IIRC, MS has only given out shipped numbers.

 

[Percy]

Good for them. Many thought it wouldn't happen by GC (Me included tbh).

I laughed at Ryan spelling out that it was sold to consumers.

 

[idlewild_]

Geez, I CANNOT wait to see TR be below #5 (or maybe lower depending on the releases that month) on the NPD charts its launch month. Will be great!!!

Entirely possible, they will probably be below CoD, AC, Madden, and Just Dance; add in all of the non-yearly games and they are in a tough spot unless they decide to stretch 'Holiday 2015' to include October.

 

[SwiftDeath]

PS2 would beat it, Wii is hard to say, but i would say it also beat it slightly.
But keep in mind that this is all based on the (unlikely) assumption that the PS4 hit 10 million today, cause we don't know the real date.
Also the PS2 and Wii numbers are shipments, while the PS4 number is sold to consumers.
So the shipment numbers are higher (comparing launch aligned shipments i would strongly guess PS2>PS4>Wii).

You've probably been corrected by now but in case you haven't, Sony sent out an official PR statement about it

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/playstation-4-sells-10-million-units-sony-reveals-/1100-6421671/

Following the publication of this story, Sony sent out an official release regarding the PS4's 10 million milestone. That figure accounts for worldwide sales as of August 10, and represents the "fastest and strongest" growth in PlayStation hardware in Sony's history.

PS4 hit 10M 2 days ago

 

[joecanada]

Erm. MS announced a terrible product in every conceivable way. The only logical prediction was that they would struggle to match the clearly superior product. It was obvious back then as it is today.

They didn't even have a coherent marketing strategy. Sony has had it relatively easy really. But you can only beat what's put in front of you....

Is he referring to this list that "could have" come true?

As much as you hate the One right now, chances are you're going to buy one sometime during its lifespan because you are a gamer and it will be tough to resist when all is said and done. Here's five reasons why the One will top the charts
Kinect 2.0 will be the next Wiimote. The new Dance Central and Kinect Sports will be just the tip of the iceberg. MS knows they need a few more killer apps to start the avalanche effect and that's exactly what they have been working on in the hopes of having the next "Wii Sports" phenomenon on their hands. No other system can provide this type of mass market offering for grandma and little tommy alike.

Power of Dudebro
The biggest franchises out there will be on One. Some of them will be on the PS4, sure, but there's nowhere else where you'll find Halo, COD, Gears, Madden, etc. all on one console. Don't underestimate the dudebros who continue to fuel the yearly installments of COD, etc. and play it on the 360/PS3 instead of playing superior graphical versions on PC. The hardcore may care about FPS and res and such, but dudebro's don't.

Marketing
Wii U already has a flat tire so only the PS4 is in the way from topping the charts. Wii U will rebound a bit, no doubt, and PS4 is formidable, but Microsoft already proved it can maneuver around Sony whenever it needs to to maintain sales momentum whether that comes in the form of advertisements, aggressive price cuts and promos, or marketing deals with publishers. Microsoft has the deeper pockets and it's looking like they may have a price advantage all gen long.

Exclusives
There will be a bunch of One exclusives, moneyhat variety or otherwise. A handful of those will be hard to resist for even the biggest Sony or Nintendo fan so gamers will give in whether they like it or not. There's already been talk of Microsoft opening the wallet for Respawn's game and possibly Dead Rising 3. We know Ryse is coming and sounds like Insomniac and others may have exclusive stuff in the works.

Innovation
Microsoft were big innovators with the 360, whether people want to admit it or not and it's looking like they will keep that trend going. Gamers who think that Sony won't follow suit with the used games restrictions are fooling themselves. The future is here. You will either support it or not (see Steam). Dedicated servers, dynamic achievements, in-game skype and internet feeds, video sharing, cloud enhancements, clean and snappy interface, real-time multitasking/switching, smart TV, etc., etc. Few companies will be able to match the One's online gaming experience, but it will come at a cost, of course.

So, Kinect, dudebro, marketing, exclusives, and innovation? that was his predictions and he's now defending them?

to break it down more succintly

Kinect - noone cared then... and now? Dead . cross off chalkboard.

Dudebro - go with the "cool" stuff, aka, best sellers and what people tell them to get. Also COD, BF, Madden, with better performance and "was" cheaper.

Marketing - well he got the moneyhat part partially right, aggressive price cuts are not possible due to bleeding money

Exclusives - moneyhat, Titanfall, Ryse, Dead rising - cross off chalkboard please or revise for future installments.

Innovation - cloud, Sony Too (TM), snapchat, dedicated servers - cross off chalkboard.

 

[Conezays]

Great job, Sony! Now give me some serious exclusives! Can't wait for Blood Borne though.

 

[hovito]

One wonders how long Microsoft will be willing to stay in the game console business.

When you get right down to it, the reasons they got into this space in the first place just don't make sense anymore in an increasingly mobile world.

They wanted to prevent Sony from eating into their consumer desktop business with the PS as some sort of trojan horse...well, that didn't happen and never will happen, so what's the point now I wonder?

 

[labaronx]

Sony hasn't even unleashed its heavy hitters yet

God of war
Gran turismo
Uncharted

 

[Dragonborn]

How much the xbone sold trough?

I think it should still be below 5 million. I don't see how it could have reached that yet, not with WW sales the way they are.

 

[open_mouth_]

I said 2:1 would be hard to maintain and then someone goes "MS ain't nevah catching Sony" huh? When did I say catch?

Won't it be hard to maintain 2:1 with a competitor with as deep pockets as MS--a competitor that just dropped 80 mil units on its previous console? Even if MS does 65 mil with XB1, do you think it will be easy for Sony to do 130 mil? Come on now... At least read what I'm saying.

They're start is great but anything can happen from this point. Won't the XB1 selling in more markets open up the potential for more customers to buy it? Perhaps not gangbusters, but it's more than the (near) zero it is now in those markets. Surely you can see that at least?

Don't bring the hate if you don't want me to have to regulate. I don't want to continue to interrupt all the joy in hear with doses of reality, so I'll step out.

Before I do, lemme hit you with some more ratios to chew on. NA has about 500 mil consumers who bought about 3 mil XB1's so far. China has about 2.5 times that population, yes? 1:2.5 :: 3mil : ? I'm not saying its gonna happen. I'm just saying don't discount it.

 

[TMaakkonen]

There is no way Sony is going to be able to keep ratio of 2:1 on PS4 to XB1.

Its going to be bigger.

Also, since PS4 is just that good at breaking sales predictions, 20 m is guaranteed By the end of year.

 

[Skeff]

IIRC, MS has only given out shipped numbers.

Yea they Have, I believe the shipped numbers are 5m(+ x% of 1.1m), hence I've guessed about 5m sold through, it should be somewhere near there could be + or -

 

[Mory Dunz]

Crystal Dynamics office feed.

But PS4 has been destroying XB1 since the beginning.
Even whenever the deal was made, I feel everyone involved knew of the huge sales discrepancy.

So I really don't understand all the people saying how dumb Square or Crystal Dynamics must feel. Unless they were magically tricked into thinking Xbox had more HW sales before the deal, haha. DiscoStuChart.jpg.

Maybe projecting guilt or regret unto other people helps people feel better.