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Looking back at Rare's production with Microsoft
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Triggerhappytel
Member
I agree with this. Their legacy doesn't mean that much any more and they clearly can't create an appropriate sequel in one of their classic franchises, so I think it would be best if they wiped the slate clean and started afresh. Let them forge a new identity, or at least go out in a blaze of glory trying.
Black Mantis
Member
Aβydoς;125969408 said:
Co-signing.
FUNKNOWN iXi
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Rare is going to make for one hell of a come back story. I was watching some videos of Conker's Live and Reloaded and I'm still very disappointed I missed out on that game. The more aged, wiser me is kicking my lesser-experienced self from the past right now.
Hero of Legend
Member
They need to make a 3DS game for crying out loud!
Would love a proper Pinata on 3DS, as Pocket Paradise missed some things and just didn't feel like it hit the potential that it had.
Supposedly there was going to be a Grunty's Revenge sequel called Banjo-Kazooie: Grunty's Other Revenge on DS. A revival on 3DS would be so good!
Would love a proper Pinata on 3DS, as Pocket Paradise missed some things and just didn't feel like it hit the potential that it had.
Supposedly there was going to be a Grunty's Revenge sequel called Banjo-Kazooie: Grunty's Other Revenge on DS. A revival on 3DS would be so good!
The only existing IP I want to see from Rare would be Conker. Otherwise it'd be interesting to see Rare try something completely new.
I'd like to see them maybe try an RPG, or FPS/RPG hybrid (Maybe PD universe). I just hope whatever they make it's what they wan't to make. Hopefully they aren't bound to serving kids/kinect or whatever audience MS wants to target. Let their creative juices flow with what they want.
I'd like to see them maybe try an RPG, or FPS/RPG hybrid (Maybe PD universe). I just hope whatever they make it's what they wan't to make. Hopefully they aren't bound to serving kids/kinect or whatever audience MS wants to target. Let their creative juices flow with what they want.
IOnEI Falcon
Member
Haha, cool cool. You know what though Murderdolls rings a bell no joke. One of my favorite things about PDZ was how close/small the community was. I feel like everyone knew everyone in that game.
Salty Hippo
Member
If they want to restore people's faith in the studio, the next game needs to be a proper Banjo. They fucking owe us that. I don't care if they name it Threeie or Bots & Nults as long as it's a platformer, and it's good.
Do that and then you can move on from your past as much as you want, Rare.
Do that and then you can move on from your past as much as you want, Rare.
Gonzo The Great
Banned
Nuts & Bolts was a garbage game that people are forcing themselves to like because it was one of five first party exclusives on the 360. Either sell the IP to Nintendo or leave it alone. I wouldn't mind another Viva Pinata, but the last one bombed.
Too bad they couldn't get an hold of the IPs that really mattered to Rare bottom line.
Sales (million units)
Donkey Kong Country SNES 9.30
GoldenEye 007 N64 8.09
Donkey Kong 64 N64 5.27
Donkey Kong Country 2 SNES 5.15
Diddy Kong Racing N64 4.88
Donkey Kong Land GB 3.91
Banjo-Kazooie N64 3.65
Donkey Kong Country 3 SNES 3.51
Killer Instinct SNES 3.20
Perfect Dark N64 2.52
Donkey Kong Land 2 GB 2.35
Donkey Kong Country 2001 GB 2.19
Starfox Adventures GC 1.69
Donkey Kong Country GBA 1.55
Banjo-Tooie N64 1.49
Jet Force Gemini N64 1.16
Donkey Kong Land 3 GB 1.03
Ghost_Messiah
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Yeah they're up there with Sega as a former industry titan that are now a shadow of their former selves. Sega makes a decent game once a while too but they're nothing compared to their past selves. I'm always fascinated by Rare threads but there's always this sense of overwhelming disappointment and sadness to them.
Thinking back over Rare's output I've played post-N64 I thought Star Fox Adventures was pretty good if a little too derivative. The Conker remake was legendary and surprisingly enjoyable since I missed that game when it originally came out on the N64. After that though? I ended up skipping most of their games because the quality level took a nosedive. I played some Perfect Dark Zero single player and thought it was terrible for example.
Perfect Dark is supposed to be a series that's Halo-level in quality. PDZ was mediocre at best though admittedly I've heard much better things about the online multiplayer. As for Rare now? I'm hoping that what Phil Spencer said about their future was genuine and honest though I'm really not holding my breath. If they announce a true Banjo successor that's focused on platforming and it scores ninety plus on Metacritic I'll be there day one but something tells me they just don't have that in them anymore.
I think when your own fan sites start to shutdown that really shows your company has declined somewhat (I'm thinking of MundoRare's infamous closure with that one).
Interesting thread nonetheless.
Thinking back over Rare's output I've played post-N64 I thought Star Fox Adventures was pretty good if a little too derivative. The Conker remake was legendary and surprisingly enjoyable since I missed that game when it originally came out on the N64. After that though? I ended up skipping most of their games because the quality level took a nosedive. I played some Perfect Dark Zero single player and thought it was terrible for example.
Perfect Dark is supposed to be a series that's Halo-level in quality. PDZ was mediocre at best though admittedly I've heard much better things about the online multiplayer. As for Rare now? I'm hoping that what Phil Spencer said about their future was genuine and honest though I'm really not holding my breath. If they announce a true Banjo successor that's focused on platforming and it scores ninety plus on Metacritic I'll be there day one but something tells me they just don't have that in them anymore.
I think when your own fan sites start to shutdown that really shows your company has declined somewhat (I'm thinking of MundoRare's infamous closure with that one).
Interesting thread nonetheless.
Rare only good game was the Donkey Kong Country series and Banjo-Kazooie the rest ranged from meh to sub par.
Ehh I disagree, I hated the HD port and ended up buying a N64 and the original game and played that way.
But it wasn't Banjo-Threeie or a proper platforming Banjo-Kazooie. As a spin off nuts and bolt would have been fine.
Microsoft was getting to the console market and was buying up studio, I guess they wanted to buy Rare to make them to make Nintendo games but for them. alas that plan didn't work as the Nintendo fans didn't move with them.
This pretty, what's funny is when Microsoft brought out Rare they actually thought that they owned the Donkey Kong IP, until a Rare employee told them that they didn't.
Ehh I disagree, I hated the HD port and ended up buying a N64 and the original game and played that way.
But it wasn't Banjo-Threeie or a proper platforming Banjo-Kazooie. As a spin off nuts and bolt would have been fine.
Microsoft was getting to the console market and was buying up studio, I guess they wanted to buy Rare to make them to make Nintendo games but for them. alas that plan didn't work as the Nintendo fans didn't move with them.
This pretty, what's funny is when Microsoft brought out Rare they actually thought that they owned the Donkey Kong IP, until a Rare employee told them that they didn't.
Fox Mulder
Member
I wouldn't say it's a garbage game, just not the BK game people wanted or should have been made after the franchise was on the shelf for so long.
it's got fun gameplay, but I wanted a real BK3.
From what I understand, RARE is not healthy right now. I do not think they have the capability of making any of the classics people want in an even remotely faithful way, unless they get majorly restaff with some serious talent.
Let's hope Phil Spencer reawakens a sleeping giant. I was never a fan of most RARE games - Blast Corps and Jet Force Gemini were the only N64 games from them I liked, for example, and I hated the DKC games - but it is undeniable the influence they had in the gaming world.
Let's hope Phil Spencer reawakens a sleeping giant. I was never a fan of most RARE games - Blast Corps and Jet Force Gemini were the only N64 games from them I liked, for example, and I hated the DKC games - but it is undeniable the influence they had in the gaming world.
Gonzo the Great is a garbage person who isn't willing to accept change and innovation in a franchise they liked and would prefer games to stay stagnant and never evolve to far greater things than they originally began.
I have no horse in the console races, and I think Nuts and Bolts is one of, if not the best 360 exclusive that came out last gen. It sits among my top favorite games of all time. It's an incredibly unique experience that fosters creativity and exploration in a way that I haven't seen since.
linko9
Member
Got a source on this? I find that hard to believe.
I love viva piñata and some earlier stuff, but their n64 production is why they will always be mentioned as a top tier dev team.
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It would be weird to find out late that they don't own goldeneye too
It kind of makes me sick to my stomach that DK64 sold so much. I mean, my Dad bought the DK64 Jungle Green N64, so we were part of the problem, but geez.
I wasn't. Only rented the abomination, mwa ha ha! That was RARE at its most self-indulgent, what a complete mess of a game
Disaster Nebraska
Banned
Even Phil Spencer knows the team is dead. He calls them a "Brand".
If Microsoft can infuse some serious talent into the team, then I think perhaps gamers will take another look. However, considering that Viva Pinata is their highest-scoring franchise on the Xbox platform yet Kinect Sports is their highest-selling (by an insane margin) it's not difficult to see why Microsoft pegged them for Kinect development.
Thing is, despite SEGA's shortcomings, they've actually made some very intelligent choices in terms of what they develop and - specficially - what they publish. Sonic may be dead, yeah, but Virtua Fighter, Yakuza, Total War, Phantasy Star, etc. etc. have remained solid franchises not to mention games like Valkyria Chronicles, Binary Domain, Vanquish, Bayonnetta, etc
Banjo-piñata.
But what Spencer will do instead is somehow pay to have Bubsy Xbone exclusive.
muyricosuave
Member
With the most recent layoff rounds I don't have any faith left for rare this past round eliminated the last of their veteran designers I had faith in. New rare is gonna have to prove itself with an amazing game because to me their as good as a new start up studio that's been given treasured IP
Nintendo didn't sell. Nintendo lost Rare. Microsoft simply stole it from them.
And LOL at "they were destined to become shit". What is that even supposed to mean.
More like he will have them make an NFL Kinect game. You know for the gamers!
Quadraphonic
Member
No, they didn't think that.
ONE investor made an offhand comment while visiting the headquarters acting surprised at all the DK stuff still up.
Needs years on the x-axis with 1980's to 1990's on the valleys and then 2002-present the flatline.
BloodMoney
Banned
I prefer to remember the Rare of yesteryear.
GoldandBlue
Member
Isn't the current Rare not even the same Rare anymore anyways? Microsoft just owns their name and IPs now, besides that it's a different team.
I really hope the company can jump back, they were one of my favorite devs. I know some consider it heresy but I preferred their DKC games to Mario at the time.
Still, there's no denying they lost a lot of talent during the years. I can't imagine a new Banjo without a Grant Kirkhope soundtrack.
Still, there's no denying they lost a lot of talent during the years. I can't imagine a new Banjo without a Grant Kirkhope soundtrack.
Byron Bluth
Banned
10 games in 12 years...
Me either ):
fart town usa
Gold Member
Rare,
It's just the name of the studio. They'll never be as good as they once were because it's not the same talent. Who cares about the old IP's? Kids who were too young or possibly not even born do not care about the games Rare made for Nintendo platforms and anyone else who was around has most likely moved on.
All you're going to get...
...is a heaping dose of disappointment. The only thing "rare" about current Rare is them releasing something interesting or worth playing.
http://youtu.be/0f6l1QljpMo
It's just the name of the studio. They'll never be as good as they once were because it's not the same talent. Who cares about the old IP's? Kids who were too young or possibly not even born do not care about the games Rare made for Nintendo platforms and anyone else who was around has most likely moved on.
All you're going to get...
...is a heaping dose of disappointment. The only thing "rare" about current Rare is them releasing something interesting or worth playing.
http://youtu.be/0f6l1QljpMo
lol, of course Nintendo could afford to buy the rest of the stocks but they pondered it wasn't a wise move (that's the reason Nintendo never got more than 49% of the shares).
The overall Rare deal since the first investment in 1995(?) was very profitable for Nintendo.
Not only Nintendo got profits from Rare big seller, they got the reinvigorated DK ip back and when all was said and done they probably got back all the money they invested in the company (and more).
2008
Viva Piñata: Trouble in Paradise (82 - Metacritic)
I'm not saying it's premonition, but it's premonition.....
Damn. Ice cold.
Kurt Angle
Member
looking back at it, rares 360 line up before the kinect was quite decent
it was atleast different than the usual aaa stuff on the market. too bad what happened to them after kinect
it was atleast different than the usual aaa stuff on the market. too bad what happened to them after kinect
Hero of Legend
Member
Hey, at least some of the best from Rare is still active and making a Wii U game:
RyanPierre
Member
I was shocked to see PDZ listed as a critical success. I'd never paid attention to the metacritic scores or mainstream reviews for that game before. I'd just heard everywhere else that it was a mediocre game and didn't realize it reviewed better than that.
No, man Rare died back in 2002 when Microsoft open that wallet.
Microsoft should let them develop whatever they want and just pump cash at them. We all knew Kinect was holding them back, maybe with Phil in charge things do change for them.
Soooooo not true.
grosvenor_92
Member
Only played Nuts & Bolts which I liked but it sucks knowing Microsoft canned a lot of the concepts Rare was working on over the years
Yeah, that story is misunderstood. It was just one executive who got confused when he saw Donkey Kong stuff during a tour of Rare.
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