Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Makes sense to me.
Yup. Parental controls are all that's needed. I don't understand how people are fine with this. It's the parents responsibility to setup those controls, not Nintendo's by putting this fee on.Censorship by default unless you pay them? Pathetic.
Even this would be suitable. The fee is just a cash grab.Why are people okay with this? Just require a credit card verification, no need for a charge.
It's been proven ineffective and has put Nintendo under fire. You can't stop stupidity.Yup. Parental controls are all that's needed. I don't understand how people are fine with this. It's the parents responsibility to setup those controls, not Nintendo's by putting this fee on.
Actually, the only companies making a profit here are the credit card companies. Contrary to what you and many other people seem to believe, credit card transactions and clearing are not free.If 1,000,000 customers pay the $0.30 charge, that's $300,000 for Nintendo that is essentially given to them. Nintendo are the masters at nickel-and-diming their customers, and this is a prime example of that.
If you chose to save your credit card info for future use, it's encrypted and saved on the device itself. Nintendo never stores your credit card information, nor do they know your encryption key. Which, by the way, can't be recovered at all. Input the wrong key three times and the credit card information is wiped.I have never stored my credit card info with Nintendo. Every time you make a purchase they ask you if you want it stored. Just select "No".
It's kind of funny (but not surprising) to see people screaming about censorship and not supporting Nintendo over this. It's just a child safety measure for very specific content, and can be easily resolved. I hope everybody upset over this also never supports any of the movie studios since they have all taken part in actual censorship of movies in order to get a PG-13 rating.
Actually, the only companies making a profit here are the credit card companies. Contrary to what you and many other people seem to believe, credit card transactions and clearing are not free.
Visa US transaction fees:Really? You think the credit card companies are getting all of those 30 cents (i.e. they take 100% of the charged amount)? If so, you must also believe they got all the profit from the 30 cent Wii U virtual console games as well, right?
Visa US transaction fees:
0.11% Assessment
$0.0195 Acquirer Processing Fee
$0.10 Transaction Integrity Fee
$0.0025 Settlement Network Access Fee
$0.0047 Kilobyte Access Fee
$0.045 Misuse of Authorization Fee
$0.10 Zero Floor Limit Fee
$0.025 Zero Dollar Verification Fee
$0.001 Risk Identification Fee
Some of those fees don't apply to every transaction, some are only due if clearing fails for example - yes, if you have a typo in your credit card and the authorization fails, the companies have to pay for your mistake.
Source (with fees for other credit cards): http://www.cardfellow.com/blog/credit-card-processing-fees/
It's not about if it is the only way for children to access internet, it's about not being blamed for stupid parents not doing their jobs lol
Are you really trying to compare this to concept of the welfare state?That mentality is exactly the reason why America will never have a proper health care system. "Why do I have to take care of somebody else's problem? It's not my fault that blah blah blah..."
Also, you don't have to be 18 to buy a debit card (at least where I live) so this system isn't entirely useful.
Are you really trying to compare this to concept of the welfare state?
Good grief.
This is essentially a corporation passing the costs of protecting their brand onto their end users. There is no analogy to be had with healthcare systems, taxation and social services.
If Nintendo honestly thinks this is a good idea (which in my opinion it's pretty stupid), then they should at least donate all the money to charity to prove they are not trying to make a profit off of it. Also, you don't have to be 18 to buy a debit card (at least where I live) so this system isn't entirely useful.
Didn't Nintendo charge for the internet browser on the Wii too, and then later make it free and gave the people who bought it (such as myself, no clue why the hell I did this) a free NES game?
Seems a little insulting.
The mentality of the welfare state is a combination of both a societal obligation to provide a safety net to those less fortunate and taxation obligations to fund the provision of [essential] services. It has absolutely no analogy to Nintendo being fearful of bad publicity because of poor parenting and thus instituting an opt-out parental lock that requires a fee to remove.Can you say that mentality has nothing to do with the welfare state?
Because people don't typically make donations to publicly traded companies.Why can't you people think of it as a donation and get over it?
Kids dont have credit/debit cards
I have to pony up 30 cents, maybe 35 cents since I'm Canadian, to look at porn
you know what, Nintendo? Take my 35 cents. I love porn
People outrage over a 30 cent fee.
The struggle is real.
30 cent for nothing is 30 cent too much
there was NOTHING wrong with a simple password system like any other device ever
Most parents handle their kids consoles to their kids without even touching the devices. So there's that.30 cent for nothing is 30 cent too much
there was NOTHING wrong with a simple password system like any other device ever
The whole point is to prove you're an adult by having a debit/credit card. If you have one, $0.30 should be nothing. Its just a validation.
Most parents handle their kids consoles to their kids without even touching the devices. So there's that.
Um...because I wasn't making any analogy? Way to twist my words, buddy.The mentality I was talking about is the lack of societal obligation("it's not my responsibility, I'm not gonna do shit about that"), much like the mentality of the person to whom I was replying, so I guess you didn't even read the conversation.The mentality of the welfare state is a combination of both a societal obligation to provide a safety net to those less fortunate and taxation obligations to fund the provision of [essential] services. It has absolutely no analogy to Nintendo being fearful of bad publicity because of poor parenting and thus instituting an opt-out parental lock that requires a fee to remove.
It's a nonsensical attempt at rationalization.Because people don't typically make donations to publicly traded companies.
But if they don't care after, that will mean that the console will remain locked by default instead of unlocked by default, which is a good thing, and what Nintendo is trying to achieve.If they don't care before, they don't care after. And Is not Nintendo Business how people grow their children
But if they don't care after, that will mean that the console will remain locked by default instead of unlocked by default, which is a good thing, and what Nintendo is trying to achieve.
Nintendo is not trying to teach parents how to grow their children more than just transferring over to their ass the prerogative of enabling access to porn for their children's devices instead of letting them just have the excuse of being too lazy/negligent/ignorant to lock it up.
Except it's an idiotic comparison to draw. There is no societal obligation towards Nintendo's bottom line. There isn't any responsibility based on some sort of concept of societal goodwill. Someone holding that it isn't there responsibility in this case, is completely justified in doing so, whereas in the case of the welfare state and essential services there is room for debate and opinion.The mentality I was talking about is the lack of societal obligation("it's not my responsibility, I'm not gonna do shit about that"), much like the mentality of the person to whom I was replying, so I guess you didn't even read the conversation.
30 cent for nothing is 30 cent too much
there was NOTHING wrong with a simple password system like any other device ever
Except it's an idiotic comparison to draw. There is no societal obligation towards Nintendo's bottom line. There isn't any responsibility based on some sort of concept of societal goodwill. Someone holding that it isn't there responsibility in this case, is completely justified in doing so, whereas in the case of the welfare state and essential services there is room for debate and opinion.
It isn't any consumer's obligation to protect Nintendo's brand equity, and that's what this is an exercise in. It isn't any consumer's cost to bear, regardless of it being a trivial amount.
If Nintendo feels the need to protect their brand image through an opt-out system then that's their cost to bear, or they can simply follow the standard practices of every other electronic devices on the market and institute standard parental control features.
If 1,000,000 customers pay the $0.30 charge, that's $300,000 for Nintendo that is essentially given to them. Nintendo are the masters at nickel-and-diming their customers, and this is a prime example of that.
Why are people okay with this? Just require a credit card verification, no need for a charge.
Yup. Parental controls are all that's needed. I don't understand how people are fine with this. It's the parents responsibility to setup those controls, not Nintendo's by putting this fee on.
Even this would be suitable. The fee is just a cash grab.
What a idiot decision.
Forcing it is terrible. Just let people make their decision.
I don't understand how this happens in a world where kids have access to smartphones and tablets with nothing like this in place.
30 cent for nothing is 30 cent too much
there was NOTHING wrong with a simple password system like any other device ever
But c'mon... Xbox live verified the customer's age without bill any money.
I know a lot of device that check the age of the user without bills them.
If they don't care before, they don't care after. And Is not Nintendo Business how people grow their children
"Censor the internet? Sure, as long as it doesn't cost too much!" This sets a terrible precedent.
To who?
You'd rather Nintendo parent your kid then spend the few minutes to figure out what he/she is playing?As a parent since I was 25...let me tell, this is perfectly fine and appreciated from my perspective.
Pornography early in youth is no bueno...
Don't assume...NOYou'd rather Nintendo parent your kid then spend the few minutes to figure out what he/she is playing?