Parakeetman
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In Japan, New 3DS 'Filters' The Internet, Unless You Pay $0.30 Extra
- Thread starter Broken Joystick
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Yup. Parental controls are all that's needed. I don't understand how people are fine with this. It's the parents responsibility to setup those controls, not Nintendo's by putting this fee on.
Even this would be suitable. The fee is just a cash grab.
It's quite possible that the parent would be more attentive if the child says that "they need to pay a fee".
It's 30 fucking cents, and complaining on principle in this scenario is ridiculous when there is no indication they will increase the charge.
It's 30 fucking cents, and complaining on principle in this scenario is ridiculous when there is no indication they will increase the charge.
It's been proven ineffective and has put Nintendo under fire. You can't stop stupidity.
Actually, the only companies making a profit here are the credit card companies. Contrary to what you and many other people seem to believe, credit card transactions and clearing are not free.
If you chose to save your credit card info for future use, it's encrypted and saved on the device itself. Nintendo never stores your credit card information, nor do they know your encryption key. Which, by the way, can't be recovered at all. Input the wrong key three times and the credit card information is wiped.
Rather clever concept in my opinion. This makes Nintendo a much less interesting target for hackers, because they store very little information worth stealing about their customers.
Really? You think the credit card companies are getting all of those 30 cents (i.e. they take 100% of the charged amount)? If so, you must also believe they got all the profit from the 30 cent Wii U virtual console games as well, right?
Visa US transaction fees:
0.11% Assessment
$0.0195 Acquirer Processing Fee
$0.10 Transaction Integrity Fee
$0.0025 Settlement Network Access Fee
$0.0047 Kilobyte Access Fee
$0.045 Misuse of Authorization Fee
$0.10 Zero Floor Limit Fee
$0.025 Zero Dollar Verification Fee
$0.001 Risk Identification Fee
Some of those fees don't apply to every transaction, some are only due if clearing fails for example - yes, if you have a typo in your credit card and the authorization fails, the companies have to pay for your mistake.
Source (with fees for other credit cards): http://www.cardfellow.com/blog/credit-card-processing-fees/
ForsakenLotus
Member
I think this is a needless hassle, but at least it's a minor one.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
I don't understand how this happens in a world where kids have access to smartphones and tablets with nothing like this in place.
Orniletter
Banned
WoW ,such nickel and diming, much greed, so 300,000 $
PdotMichael
Banned
shinra-bansho
Member
Are you really trying to compare this to concept of the welfare state?
Good grief.
This is essentially a corporation passing the costs of protecting their brand onto their end users. There is no analogy to be had with healthcare systems, taxation and social services.
"Nintendo is gimping the Internet". If it was 30 cents to enable internet in general, I would be up in arms with the rest of you, but since it is a fee to take down a 3DS specific porn filter, I don't have any problem with it.
I am a dad and I keep close tabs on what my kids are doing on the internet so the pre-existing parental controls are enough for me. But man.. there are some parents who just don't care at all. Is that Nintendo's fault? Not at all. Will class action law-suits still be filed? Absolutely. Will media reports specifically target Nintendo because of it's family friendly image? Count on it. It happened before, it will happen again.
For the adults who unlock this "feature" it's like signing a waiver saying "I have allowed porn on this device, and there is a receipt to prove it" .
I really, can't understand why so many people are mad about this. The 3DS must be one of the worst porn viewing platforms in existence. Anyone with a PC or another console has a far better option RIGHT NOW. For free.
I suppose if you don't have a Vita and you simply MUST watch porn on the train or while the rest of the family is hogging the computer/TV, then you might be inconvenienced. But I think 30 cents seems reasonable membership fee to the "Porn where there are no PCs/smartphones/consoles/tablets but there is still adequate wi-fi appreciation society".
With the credit card transaction fees in Japan, Nintendo stands to make no money with this. But might be able to partly cover their butt when the media has a slow news day and does a "protect the children" panic piece.
To those complaining: Does this actually effect you? How? What is your story? I really have no idea what person or situation this would cause harm to.
I am a dad and I keep close tabs on what my kids are doing on the internet so the pre-existing parental controls are enough for me. But man.. there are some parents who just don't care at all. Is that Nintendo's fault? Not at all. Will class action law-suits still be filed? Absolutely. Will media reports specifically target Nintendo because of it's family friendly image? Count on it. It happened before, it will happen again.
For the adults who unlock this "feature" it's like signing a waiver saying "I have allowed porn on this device, and there is a receipt to prove it" .
I really, can't understand why so many people are mad about this. The 3DS must be one of the worst porn viewing platforms in existence. Anyone with a PC or another console has a far better option RIGHT NOW. For free.
I suppose if you don't have a Vita and you simply MUST watch porn on the train or while the rest of the family is hogging the computer/TV, then you might be inconvenienced. But I think 30 cents seems reasonable membership fee to the "Porn where there are no PCs/smartphones/consoles/tablets but there is still adequate wi-fi appreciation society".
With the credit card transaction fees in Japan, Nintendo stands to make no money with this. But might be able to partly cover their butt when the media has a slow news day and does a "protect the children" panic piece.
To those complaining: Does this actually effect you? How? What is your story? I really have no idea what person or situation this would cause harm to.
Nintendojitsu
Banned
They should've charged more.
bobawesome
Member
This isn't a bad idea. I'll give this one to you, Nintendo.
If Nintendo honestly thinks this is a good idea (which in my opinion it's pretty stupid), then they should at least donate all the money to charity to prove they are not trying to make a profit off of it. Also, you don't have to be 18 to buy a debit card (at least where I live) so this system isn't entirely useful.
Didn't Nintendo charge for the internet browser on the Wii too, and then later make it free and gave the people who bought it (such as myself, no clue why the hell I did this) a free NES game?
Didn't Nintendo charge for the internet browser on the Wii too, and then later make it free and gave the people who bought it (such as myself, no clue why the hell I did this) a free NES game?
In Japan (the only country where this has been announced (so far?), there is no debit card system and it is actually quite difficult to get a credit card. They don't have them out like candy like in the states. If a Japanese kids manages to get through the paperwork and other roadblocks and actually get a card here... he is probably mature enough for porn. And probably wise enough to not want to watch it on his 3DS.
Can you say that mentality has nothing to do with the welfare state? lmao
Protecting children is a big part of every industry, and corporations do go extra lengths and spend money to ensure children's safety (This is essentially corporations passing the costs of protecting their brand onto their end users, big surprise I know); I don't mind paying a little to do just that even I don't have any children. Is it actually gonna be effective? I don't know, but as long as I can keep even one child safe from adult contents and twisted perverts, I'd say the 30 cents is well worth it. People who have problems with it, well get over it, that's how the world works.
Government uses tax to feed prisoners and nobody bats an eye. Nintendo charges small fee(which is not mandatory) to protect children and everyone loses their minds lol
Some people in this thread be like "I better get my money's worth and be able to watch porn on 3DS." Woah, can't watch porn on 3DS, big deal. Why people would want to watch porn on a 240p screen is beyond me.
Why can't you people think of it as a donation and get over it?
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Deleted member 77995
Unconfirmed Member
Seems a little insulting.
http://www.nintendo.com/corp/csr/
Please refer to Corporate and Community Activities. Who's to say Nintendo isn't giving back to the community?
$0.30X1,000,000 is nothing to Nintendo, I think most of it will be administrative cost. So no, I don't think Nintendo is making profit off of it, if Nintendo wanted to cash-grab you people they would have better ways to do it.
And NO, people are not okay with it because it's Nintendo. If Sony/MS did the same thing I'd still be glad to pay them.
To who?
The kids who are being deprived of porn or the chance to exchange notes with sketchy old men?
The adults who are OK paying $150+ for a system fine but can't afford 30 cents to view tiny porn on a terrible screen?
To the media outlets being deprived of a great story?
I don't feel insulted. Because it doesn't impact my life in any way. And if it did, 30 cents is nothing. It is a one time fee of less than the cost of a postage stamp.
If you have no interest in viewing 240p porn, this does not effect you at all.
If you do want to view porn on a tiny screen/subway a cell phone is a much better choice.
If you don't have a phone/PC/tablet/console and your only means of viewing porn is on a screen that is so small and blurry it could actually make you go blind... then 30 cents is the least of your problems.
Who are the people this will effect? Am I missing the "Low res porn" revival movement or something?
shinra-bansho
Member
The mentality of the welfare state is a combination of both a societal obligation to provide a safety net to those less fortunate and taxation obligations to fund the provision of [essential] services. It has absolutely no analogy to Nintendo being fearful of bad publicity because of poor parenting and thus instituting an opt-out parental lock that requires a fee to remove.
It's a nonsensical attempt at rationalization.
Because people don't typically make donations to publicly traded companies.
Hrm. A bit torn on this.
For one, at that low fee it's probably not done for profit considerations. The intent is good and the way to achieve lockout of underaged persons is making sense as well. I understand why they need to charge the card.
Still, to charge for disabling a feature without giving anything back is a bit shifty. What if I want to lend my fictional handheld to a youngster for a weekend and enable the filter again - do I need to pay again to re-disable it? Probably, otherwise the whole exercise would be pointless. Still, that really gets unwieldy. Wouldn't be quite so bad if it was just another way to get a puzzle piece or store credit or whatever. Or as a donation to a worthy cause. If it's just for the feature itself...
For one, at that low fee it's probably not done for profit considerations. The intent is good and the way to achieve lockout of underaged persons is making sense as well. I understand why they need to charge the card.
Still, to charge for disabling a feature without giving anything back is a bit shifty. What if I want to lend my fictional handheld to a youngster for a weekend and enable the filter again - do I need to pay again to re-disable it? Probably, otherwise the whole exercise would be pointless. Still, that really gets unwieldy. Wouldn't be quite so bad if it was just another way to get a puzzle piece or store credit or whatever. Or as a donation to a worthy cause. If it's just for the feature itself...
reptilescorpio
Member
I laughed.
Sorry Nintendo I think I'll keep my few cents.
Looks better on my OLED Vita anyway.
Then again... If the 3D works... TakeMyWallet.png
Riposte
Member
You getting the whole internet for 30 cents, incredible value!
jts
...hate me...
Most parents handle their kids consoles to their kids without even touching the devices. So there's that.
thelurkinghorror
Member
But c'mon... Xbox live verified the customer's age without bill any money.
I know a lot of device that check the age of the user without bills them.
If they don't care before, they don't care after. And Is not Nintendo Business how people grow their children
manueldelalas
Time Traveler
We had this same exact conversation a few years back. It's a great idea, it affects no one.
Um...because I wasn't making any analogy? Way to twist my words, buddy.The mentality I was talking about is the lack of societal obligation("it's not my responsibility, I'm not gonna do shit about that"), much like the mentality of the person to whom I was replying, so I guess you didn't even read the conversation.
That's why I said "think of it as", as in pretend to donate for a good cause.
Nintendo just transfers 30 cent cost onto customers to protect children, everybody let's throw a fit about it. No porn on 3DS for all of us, Boo hoo.
On another note, I just found something on Xbox website, pretty interesting.
Why does Xbox Live charge me when I create an account for my child?
Microsoft and Xbox Live comply with the Children’s Online Privacy Protection Act (COPPA) regarding online account creation for children under age 13. COPPA requires that prior to gathering personal information from a child (under age 13), providers of online services obtain verifiable consent from the child’s parent. The most common method allowed by COPPA for obtaining parental consent is charging a small amount to the parent’s credit card. We charge 50 cents for this verification. These charges aren’t refundable.
Am I charged for each child I sign up?
Yes. Parental consent must be verified for each child. The credit card fee is one of the verification methods approved by COPPA.
Do other companies charge this fee?
Yes. Charging a credit card is the most commonly used method of verifying parental consent under COPPA.
jts
...hate me...
But if they don't care after, that will mean that the console will remain locked by default instead of unlocked by default, which is a good thing, and what Nintendo is trying to achieve.
Nintendo is not trying to teach parents how to grow their children more than just transferring over to their ass the prerogative of enabling access to porn for their children's devices instead of letting them just have the excuse of being too lazy/negligent/ignorant to lock it up.
thelurkinghorror
Member
But the fee is useless, is just a fee. Why every other devices can be locked and unlocked without this 30cents?
C'mon guys
P.s.
i just read the Coppa affair on Xbox Live, but I don't know a single underage kid that use an underage account, because with them they can't play online with some games, and there's other limitation too
shinra-bansho
Member
Except it's an idiotic comparison to draw. There is no societal obligation towards Nintendo's bottom line. There isn't any responsibility based on some sort of concept of societal goodwill. Someone holding that it isn't there responsibility in this case, is completely justified in doing so, whereas in the case of the welfare state and essential services there is room for debate and opinion.
It isn't any consumer's obligation to protect Nintendo's brand equity, and that's what this is an exercise in. It isn't any consumer's cost to bear, regardless of it being a trivial amount.
If Nintendo feels the need to protect their brand image through an opt-out system then that's their cost to bear, or they can simply follow the standard practices of every other electronic devices on the market and institute standard parental control features.
Tell that to the parents of the kids accosted via Swapnote.
This is just a verifiable way to prove that the parents are ok with their kids viewing websites that are potentially harmful to them. If something happens to the kids, the media and angry parents can't go blaming Nintendo for their shitty parenting. That $0.30 burns up as a transaction fee for the credit card companies anyways. Hell even MS does it when they sign kids up to Xbox Live. It wouldn't surprise me if PSN does the same thing now.
It's amazing what some of you will get completely up in arms about when you don't think about the actual logistics behind the decision. Then again its a Nintendo thread so clearly we need to be up in arms about something.
If you think you have to have responsibility to do something out of goodwill, then I think we're done here. Some people are just not empathetic I guess.
No, It isn't any consumer's obligation to protect Nintendo's brand equity, but it is our obligation when it comes to protecting children. COPPA Age verification cost actually is consumers' cost to bear, it's just a social cost we all have to pay in order to do what needs to be done-to protect children. It's the consumer's responsibility to verify his/her age or give consent to allow the children to use the services provided by a company.
As many people have pointed out, parental control features don't always work, as long as the parents are not proactive enough to actually use them. I guess you just happened to miss reading that part of the conversation.
Just like how they charge individual fees for each facet of their online services.
It is my understanding that there's ALWAYS a charge when it comes to verifying a credit card, it's just monumentally small in the grand scheme of things. Otherwise I'd have a crap ton of little .30¢ fees on my bank statements for all the McDonalds I ate at college.
You're right, it is a cash grab; by banks that charge for verifications.
What a idiot decision.
Forcing it is terrible.Just let people make their decision.
They have made their decision: if it's an inconvenience to setting up the system, they're not going to do it. And who's going to get blamed when little Jimmy finds something online that makes a pearl-clutcher faint? Hint; It's not going to be the parents.
Phones are a morally grey area, since there's multiple providers on a single platform. ergo, it's impossible to indicte any single provider unless they're stupid enough to put a neon sign that says "Free porn for children!" Nintendo get's the full brunt of any disgression that occurs on the -#DS line; regardless of merit or liability. Couple that with the visibly apparent zealotry some 'journalists' have in their axe to grind, and you've got a flustercluck waiting to happen.
...No, there were some pretty severe problems with a password system. How often do you hear about how a system was exploited because the password was too easy to crack? Because why put effort into a string of words that leads to a system that doesn't impact your life, right? Adding even a fractional financial commitment makes things more zeroed in, since now we have a tangible investment into making sure this system works. And if something goes wrong and you try to blame Nintendo? YOU were the one that paid the service charge.
It's Nintendo Business to keep a clean reputation as the kid-friendly console. And there actually is a charge for underage account setups as required by a law here in the states (Xbox Terms Here)
NegativeCero
Banned
I must have become desperate if I ever turn to the 3DS browser to get my porn.
Delusibeta
Banned
On the one hand, as with pretty much every internet filter, it's going to be full of holes and may lead to a false sense of security for parents. On the other, who really wants to watch porn on their 3DS? Most people would probably have computers or tablets that would do a better job.
DoktorEvil
Banned
Unless you know what TOR and the Dark Web is, you already use a censored form of browsing. Don't be so ridiculous.
The .30 is more for the CC processor than for Nintendo.
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Deleted member 77995
Unconfirmed Member
To parents. Gaming industry continues to treat outsiders as morons.
Omnistalgic
Member
As a parent since I was 25...let me tell, this is perfectly fine and appreciated from my perspective.
Pornography early in youth is no bueno...
Pornography early in youth is no bueno...
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Deleted member 77995
Unconfirmed Member
You'd rather Nintendo parent your kid then spend the few minutes to figure out what he/she is playing?
Omnistalgic
Member
Don't assume...NO
But help in this area is appreciated...
I am a gamer myself, and decent PC user, I have blocks and content set up as well as simply talking to my daughter often about what she shouldn't be viewing and why etc...this is very helpful for less tech-savvy parents.